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Except some of us have seen it. So...again...since this aspect seems to be ignored....a lot.....

"Just because you didn't have a bad experience doesn't mean others all share the same experiences."

end of story. done.

AdamSavage wrote:Cleared the 2nd wing today, with no wipes. We had a few people die, but we downed each boss on the 1st try.. The best, is that it happened on a Monday. Which for our Realm group is the worst day you can run LFR. Tuesday being the best day. The twins fight was the one fight with the most deaths.. So LFR isn't as easy as I once thought.. I likely should of waited till I cleared more wings, before coming to any conclusion.

That being said, I still personally think it's still the easiest LFR to date. This of course, is my own personal opinion based on what I've been told, and heard from a large group of other players. The exp will of course differ from person to person/realm group to realm group. Luck will likely also play a factor.

Should be interesting to see the rest of the raid.

Then there is Blackrock soon after I think?

Yeah, Blackrock is next. I hope it remains this easy cause it's LFR. I didn't queue for a challenge. If I wanted a challenge, I'd go with my raid team and do a Normal raid like it's intended....which I will. LFR, I'm just there to see the raid and get a few pieces of gear. Challenge of LFR? Herding the cats...I mean people....

If they're not going to make LFR a little harder, then they need to make Normal a little easier. The biggest issue is the jump in difficulty between the two. It's not that noticeable on Kargath but the Butcher is just an entirely different fight on normal and I have yet to get in a group that could down him. I think I'm at 5 different groups now. How about those who don't have a "raid team"? I'm one of those and I don't want to get back into the scheduled raid nights and times and all the attendant pressures and drama that go with it. As I've said, I found MoP to be perfect for me.

Butcher and the Imperator are the hardest on any difficulty(minus LFR). Those who don't have a raid team, you got a dozen sources to use: OpenRaid, the group finder, OQ, etc.

Well, last night I finally got in a normal group (which is getting harder because now they mostly want at least 6/7 completion) and we killed Butcher fairly easily with me and another Hunter handling the stack swaps. However, we then got to Brackenspore and wiped 4 times before everybody gave up. We did get him to 3% on the best try.

So, now it's a 2 pronged sword. LFR is too easy and Normal, at least for PUG's, is too hard. Like I said, getting in a Group Finder group took a while because of them wanting 6/7 completion, and all the other applications that got declined. How are you supposed to get 6/7 when every PUG wipes on the 2nd or 3rd boss?

PUGS looking for that sort of thing are honestly almost always terrible groups. Look for reasonable groups.

Danielfboone wrote:Well, last night I finally got in a normal group (which is getting harder because now they mostly want at least 6/7 completion) and we killed Butcher fairly easily with me and another Hunter handling the stack swaps. However, we then got to Brackenspore and wiped 4 times before everybody gave up. We did get him to 3% on the best try.

So, now it's a 2 pronged sword. LFR is too easy and Normal, at least for PUG's, is too hard. Like I said, getting in a Group Finder group took a while because of them wanting 6/7 completion, and all the other applications that got declined. How are you supposed to get 6/7 when every PUG wipes on the 2nd or 3rd boss?

Honestly? LFR is supposed to be pretty easy. It's content tourist mode, especially for people who don't have hours to dedicate to said wipes on normal groups. Sometimes folks just want a few purples to run around in, see the raid and call it a day. People often forget that for what it was, SoO was pretty hard. Anyone else remember popping in on Garrosh, Thok or the other pug breakers?

Normal doesn't seem too terrible but I'm fairly wipe tolerant and go in with the mindset that the group sometimes takes a few attempts to gel. And unreasonable people are often unreasonable. I saw some ilevel 660 group for normals. Vaguely surreal and reeked of 'carry me!'

I think it's also fair to keep in mind this is the first raid of the expansion. I didn't do much of the earlier raids, but the transition from say ToT to SoO, there was a noticeable jump in difficulty in between the two, even in LFR. It's not surprising the first tier stuff is relatively easy, all things considered. I wouldn't be surprised if Blizz throws in more group breakers later on.

That SAID, while I don't mind if it was hard (Okay it got annoying on Garrosh when people were stupid and the Blackfuse dude was ALWAYS a nightmare), I'm not miffed about it being this 'easy' either. Sure, I'd take more varied mechanics (I'm nearly positive the second wing boiled down to "don't stand in this. or this. or this. or that."), I mean who wouldn't? Anything to make the content a bit more interesting, y'know?

I guess this is early WoD raiding--the content is gonna be a bit out of whack--LFR might be too easy, Normal might be too hard, it's to be expected. They'll get around to tuning it at some point or another.

The only time I see people dying is on the Twins. I even died once myself because I ran the wrong way and got boxed in by the fire with no way out. There still was no wipe, even with 8-10 people down. I ran it with my Undead Warlock who just barely made the Ilvl requirement and can't do Heroic dungeons because he can't complete the Silver Proving Grounds. There were still no problems and no wipes.

An addition to the thread is that Normal is too hard for pug groups and Friends and Family type guilds. You see threads and posts to that effect on the official forums as well as on mmo-champion. Normal needs some nerfs. I have only gotten Butcher once out of 16 tries and so far Brackenspore has been impossible. A simple nerf to Bracken would be to slow down the growth of the moss and maybe even extend the life of the flamethrowers. Maybe even removing the overheating part completely. One or more of those changes would help a lot and not change the fight overly much. On Butcher, I guess extending the enrage timer would work. They stated from the beginning that they wanted normal/flex raids to be more friendly to the friends and family people than in MoP. They have done exactly the opposite

Another thing to keep in mind right now is LFR is currently filled with a higher than average number of normal or heroic raiders, who are 1) trying to fill in gaps in their gear 2) working on their ring quest (i.e. if you miss a night of raids you might want to try and get stones from LFR, and a lot of people are missing raid nights due to holidays) and/or 3) gearing alts for those few fights where another healer or tank is needed. So that makes it a little easier overall, though I do agree that LFR so far as seems pretty forgiving.

I've only done LFR once so far this xpac - yes it was very easy but we made it very easy for everyone who was in there. We went in as a group of 9 or 10 decently geared, experienced players who'd already done the fights (including both tanks and a healer), and we pretty much stayed on voice chat and took care of whatever mechanics we could.

Another thing wrong is that the Abragator stones drop FAR more often in LFR---I get a cluster of 5 from every other fight and at least one, maybe 2 otherwise.--I'm already up to 63, 57 from LFR, 6 from garrison missions. Not a single one from Normal.

Danielfboone wrote:Not a single one from Normal.

Did you do LFR before Normal in the same week? The bosses will only drop stones once per boss (Mythic might be separate but I haven't checked that yet). My one LFR run yielded no loot, just gold, but I'm sitting at 100 stones from normal/heroic.

peanutbuttercup wrote:

Danielfboone wrote:Not a single one from Normal.

Did you do LFR before Normal in the same week? The bosses will only drop stones once per boss (Mythic might be separate but I haven't checked that yet). My one LFR run yielded no loot, just gold, but I'm sitting at 100 stones from normal/heroic.

I didn't know the stone drops were linked across difficulty levels. Yes I did do LFR first. Is the chance for regular loot linked too? That definitely should not be. I can see why they would do it with the stones.

Danielfboone wrote:

peanutbuttercup wrote:

Danielfboone wrote:Not a single one from Normal.

Did you do LFR before Normal in the same week? The bosses will only drop stones once per boss (Mythic might be separate but I haven't checked that yet). My one LFR run yielded no loot, just gold, but I'm sitting at 100 stones from normal/heroic.

I didn't know the stone drops were linked across difficulty levels. Yes I did do LFR first. Is the chance for regular loot linked too? That definitely should not be. I can see why they would do it with the stones.

The stone drops are linked for sure across the 3 lower levels (and likely through Mythic) - the reason being they didn't want people farming all modes to get stones.

The loot drops are NOT linked. My raid group has been doing normal and heroic weekly to maximize loot drops (2 shots at each boss), with some people doing LFR on top of that.

Loot isn't linked, but the stones are just like the sigils in mists where it's linked.

The last boss unlocked and I have seen my first wipes in LFR. That guy can be tough. They should all be like that.

Danielfboone wrote:The last boss unlocked and I have seen my first wipes in LFR. That guy can be tough. They should all be like that.

I got lucky, and we had no wipes.

A lot of folks on my raid team were close to completing their ring so we once again stepped into LFR as a group. For the most part the raid followed the instructions we gave out and so there was no wipe, maybe 2 deaths total. The fight is so watered down that as long as you kill adds, it's almost impossible to not complete it in a couple of pulls.

Didn't wipe on the Imperator but I did die cause someone didn't move and exploded on us.