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OK, I'm done here.Senna-Umbreon wrote:Slick, I am honestly ashamed to call you a servermate. I guess my friend was right when she said Alliance on Windrunner has better raids but is full of complete assholes, jerkfaces and idiots, while Horde basically sucks at raiding, but is MUCH nicer.
See, it's my experience that in a progression-minded guild, that isn't the case. My guild doesn't have a problem letting me run whatever spec I wish, but the problem is I typically do at least 1K dps more running MM than BM, and it makes me feel awful to selfishly run a BM spec if we're having trouble downing a boss. Originality =/= Practicality unfortunately.Taluwen wrote:BM isnt that bad. Infact, they shine more than given credit for. People will bitch but those who aren't stupid and trollish will admire and applaud those who go outside the norm.Gelannerai wrote:
I really hope you're right, but I remember how they "fixed" BM for Wrath after 3.0.8.
I think thats only for progression/hardcore raiding guilds.Gelannerai wrote:See, it's my experience that in a progression-minded guild, that isn't the case. My guild doesn't have a problem letting me run whatever spec I wish, but the problem is I typically do at least 1K dps more running MM than BM, and it makes me feel awful to selfishly run a BM spec if we're having trouble downing a boss. Originality =/= Practicality unfortunately.Taluwen wrote:BM isnt that bad. Infact, they shine more than given credit for. People will bitch but those who aren't stupid and trollish will admire and applaud those who go outside the norm.Gelannerai wrote:
I really hope you're right, but I remember how they "fixed" BM for Wrath after 3.0.8.
But for those of us who run with a casual, fun raiding guild....BM's are quite common and we breeze through all the way up to the blood queen without any wipes.And there's the rub. BM should be viable no matter what your guild runs. Mine's working on ICC Heroics atm. No way I'm going to hamstring my guild by taking my favorite spec in there, and that's pathetic.Taluwen wrote:I think thats only for progression/hardcore raiding guilds.Gelannerai wrote:See, it's my experience that in a progression-minded guild, that isn't the case. My guild doesn't have a problem letting me run whatever spec I wish, but the problem is I typically do at least 1K dps more running MM than BM, and it makes me feel awful to selfishly run a BM spec if we're having trouble downing a boss. Originality =/= Practicality unfortunately.
While we dont do total heroics yet, we have done lootship heroic with BMs but lootship heroic isn't really the best example.Gelannerai wrote:And there's the rub. BM should be viable no matter what your guild runs. Mine's working on ICC Heroics atm. No way I'm going to hamstring my guild by taking my favorite spec in there, and that's pathetic.Taluwen wrote:I think thats only for progression/hardcore raiding guilds.Gelannerai wrote:See, it's my experience that in a progression-minded guild, that isn't the case. My guild doesn't have a problem letting me run whatever spec I wish, but the problem is I typically do at least 1K dps more running MM than BM, and it makes me feel awful to selfishly run a BM spec if we're having trouble downing a boss. Originality =/= Practicality unfortunately.
And pugs... trying to get in pugs raids as BM can be a nightmare. Looks like that may continue.Taluwen wrote:I think thats only for progression/hardcore raiding guilds.
Palladiamorsdeus wrote:Look, I'm normally one of the first people to say "Don't panic" about these things. But those numbers are a massive nerf. It nerfs BM's pets, it nerfs BM's only 'shot' type ability, it nerfs BM's focus regen ((Which in turn nerfs pet numbers MORE because of Wild Hunt)) and it nerfs BM's signature ability BW. The nerfs range from bad to horrendous. This was not a balancing patch, this was a "Knock it to the floor." patch. I am sure they'll build it back up ((PRay it doesn't take them another year)) but unfortunately for BM, that's probably not going to happen before 4.01 goes live.
Funny, I don't have any problems. Neither does my 2 other BM hunter friends.Slickrock wrote:And pugs... trying to get in pugs raids as BM can be a nightmare. Looks like that may continue.Taluwen wrote:I think thats only for progression/hardcore raiding guilds.
I'm not on Beta so I can't say what the numbers where. I only go by what I see on the PTR. What I seen on the PTR is that hunters where hitting alot harder then they should. 40k crit was pretty stupid. My pet was doing 5k each attack it when I checked the combat log so I would say that's nice number. I can see why the Nerfed mastery. I was able to bring my mastery up 512 which is 19.44%. This increases damage done by my pet by 48%. That's a pretty large amount right there. So with the new changes I go from 48.6% to 33.04%. It's a hit to the mastery but that that bad really. However Bestial Wrath took a hard hit. It's going to be interesting to see the numbers when it gets to PTR.Rikaku wrote: Pets are not hitting like trucks, not on beta. KC is, criticals are, and like I said, balancing them is fine. But taking over half of BW time out, taking down the mastery scales and taking down over half as well adds up to a HUGE amount of overall DPS shot. That's over HALF of our BW time gone.
Sadly, I there isn't a lot of good reporting coming out (other than "Your pet killed my pally" videos..). Even on EJ the hunter community is pretty dead compared to what it used to be.AdamSavage wrote:I'm not on Beta so I can't say what the numbers where.
The 40k crit is on the current PTR.Slickrock wrote:Sadly, I there isn't a lot of good reporting coming out (other than "Your pet killed my pally" videos..). Even on EJ the hunter community is pretty dead compared to what it used to be.AdamSavage wrote:I'm not on Beta so I can't say what the numbers where.
I think those 40k crits were a few patches ago, but with their back and forth on PTR vs Beta it's hard to see what's current. Daily patches ftl.
It also should be noted that strange things can come across as patch builds are grabbed while various groups are working on things. But the trend here isn't good. Hopefully we can get some good numbers from someone on Beta.
But with all the various changes, I still think they really don't know how to fix BM now that they focused it on KC. I forsee bad scaling problems.
Looks like a good number to me.AdamSavage wrote:The 40k crit is on the current PTR.Slickrock wrote:Sadly, I there isn't a lot of good reporting coming out (other than "Your pet killed my pally" videos..). Even on EJ the hunter community is pretty dead compared to what it used to be.AdamSavage wrote:I'm not on Beta so I can't say what the numbers where.
I think those 40k crits were a few patches ago, but with their back and forth on PTR vs Beta it's hard to see what's current. Daily patches ftl.
It also should be noted that strange things can come across as patch builds are grabbed while various groups are working on things. But the trend here isn't good. Hopefully we can get some good numbers from someone on Beta.
But with all the various changes, I still think they really don't know how to fix BM now that they focused it on KC. I forsee bad scaling problems.
The problem also is everyone is focusing on crits, and not focusing on sustained damage. There are other ways to control crits if those are the issue.Taluwen wrote:Looks like a good number to me.AdamSavage wrote:The 40k crit is on the current PTR.
The problem is PTR's don't matter.AdamSavage wrote: The 40k crit is on the current PTR.
Sadly, not everyone has this experience. Saying that one type of guild should have no problem doesn't mean that should be a solution =( My guild is very casual and fun and raids, but that doesn't mean that it justifies bringing me to a raid as BM when another hunter with lower gear than me as SV can outdps me. You don't have to be in a hardcore guild to have this happen.Taluwen wrote:I think thats only for progression/hardcore raiding guilds.