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Pent wrote:Hmm, I do have a question to the other PTR testers that are out there that was able to get onto the PTR with their own hunters...

The OP said that their blue Madexx is now red on the PTR, but I never really saw anyone else confirm this or even confirm that the bronze one really changes to green...

Can anyone else confirm the blue to red, and can anyone confirm the bronze to green chnage on the PTR?

I am not saying the OP is lying... I am just more comfortable with more people confirming.

Thanks.

Saw Sasrei's brown->green Madexx earlier on the PTR. Confirmed.

Gimlion wrote:I would honestly just like to know one thing. Couldn't they change it so the wild Blue/Bronze ones, that aren't rare, have the ID of the current Blue and Bronze Madexx, respectively? That way we end up with stable colors for each, everyone gets to keep the color they tamed, and Blizz can just adjust the spawn table for only three Rare IDs instead of the five.

Edit: To show that I personally don't like Madexx model, and much prefer Deathsting my oldworld Orange/Gray Scorpid, so this is from an outsiders standpoint, not a biased fans standpoint.

Uh no, because I WANT my brown to turn green. And it is always about what I want.

Always.

If I want a brown or blue one I will go out and tame the non-rare one(s)... because even if they are color changers I will get THREE colors instead of having a brown non-rare Madexx that I nabbed while camping (for 2+ weeks) for a green and I only tamed the brown because I was afraid I would never get a chance to get another... (and I haven't yet...)

Kalliope wrote:Saw Sasrei's brown->green Madexx earlier on the PTR. Confirmed.

Don't be sad.

I really think this is the best way Blizzard could handle it... the only way to make it better, and I hope they do this... is to make the blue and brown non-rare ones not change colors.

That will give many others who can't spend hours camping at least two choices of the skin, and it will give the people who wanted those skins to aquire them again. I understand how people can "bond" with pets, but no one on these boards has had their Madexx for longer than 2.5 months, and if you can "bond" with a pet then you should be able to make up a story on how you have to move on and get the pet's brother or sister.

I realize that Blizzard can't make everyone happy every time, and I understand that even if I am happy about the change that others will not be.... I also understand if the change really doesn't go through that I will be upset along with everyone else who sees this as a good thing.

This is pet. I have 23 other pets (for now). Would I feel differently If I had a green one and it was turning brown because the green one being made common... who knows... For one I don't like the brown. Secondly, if it was changing to brown I would probably keep it anyway and tame the common green one to use even if it was a color changer... but i am weird like that, I guess.

Seriously though... I do not like it when fellow hunters are upset over a change that I see as being "good", because I really do want all hunters to be happy.... maybe that is why I am always down in the dumps because I have never seen ALL hunters happy...

So you mean to say my scorpid(s) are now changing to bright, ugly colors that don't match my troll at all? At least the brown and blue are both fairly dark and dull colors, and while I inifinately prefer the black or please dear pet gods one that changes between -all- the colors (my troll is an alchemist and once practicer of voodoo... she tends to test her products on her pets. So, a color changer would fit.), I like Nia's skin over the red, or Salim's over the <shudders> -green-. As much as I love my scorpids and their personality, I may just have to abandon them and spend another fourty plus hours for a friggin black one :/

Edit: And now I realize, even if the tol'virs black was tameable, it would still be phased. And I'd end up hurting someone if it were anyway.

Pent wrote:

Kalliope wrote:Saw Sasrei's brown->green Madexx earlier on the PTR. Confirmed.

Don't be sad.

*snip*

Seriously though... I do not like it when fellow hunters are upset over a change that I see as being "good", because I really do want all hunters to be happy.... maybe that is why I am always down in the dumps because I have never seen ALL hunters happy...

I'm just sad for the hunters this will impact. It doesn't change things for me at all; I'm lucky enough to have fallen for Green Madexx.

Sadly, there's no way of making everyone happy all the time. There will always be someone needing to suck it up. Who those people are changes depending on the situation. We all get perks and drawbacks from time to time. All we can do is offer hugs to those on the down side at the moment.

I know that if I'd gotten the blue I wanted, I'd be pretty bloody peeved off considering how long I spent in that blasted desert hunting for him and how many Madexx I saw dead - none blue though, I only saw him as a hunters pet. But I got a red because it was the first that popped for me and I grabbed him so that I at least had a Madexx and a bronze because I couldn't let a druid kill him, I like both well enough. I will not complain about the bronze going green because every time I saw a green, I thought "hey I like that colour... no bad girl, BLUE! We're here for BLUE and only BLUE!"

My last one is black. I tamed him to save him from a mage. I didn't want black. It was the colour I least liked. Well, my black is now one of the five pets I have on me at all times and is the one I have out and running around with me.

I'd have liked the idea of them retiring the ID's and leaving the pets be. Same with Rak, though I never had that cat, didn't much like the minty ones - gimme my pure white common mob that hangs around with them. I won't complain about Olm being changed. I got mine restored purely because omg, the new Olm is beautiful.

I really hope they make the common scorpians stable colours. I'd like to get a stable blue at a later date on one of my other hunters because I don't think I can do his camp again. It's just too f'ed.

I think I tend to agree more with Comett than with Pent on this one. In my personal opinion, changing pets that are already in our stables ISN'T the way to go. Pent, I know you love green and that you're ecstatic that your bronze is going to become the color you love, but on the flip side, there are a lot of hunters who worked very long and hard to have their blue or bronze, and now suddenly they won't have them anymore.

I really, really, reeeeeally think Blizz should simply retire the bronze and blue Madexx IDs, leave the red/green/black IDs intact, and make the commons stable colors.

No, your green wouldn't fall into your lap after the patch, but you would have a bit of an easier time finding it.

I really mean no offense, but I think changing peoples' Madexxes they've already tamed is going to hurt a lot more people than it is going to help. Unfortunately, if they go through with this, there is nothing we can do about it. I just really sympathize with everyone because I know what a pain this camp is. I know I'd be upset if my pet I worked so hard to get suddenly wasn't the pet I worked so hard to get, if you know what I mean. For many people, the bond with a pet is the culmination of many things: rarity, skin, camp time, etc. I know Vulkoor wouldn't be the same if he suddenly became some other color. Why? Because black just suits him and his personality and everything. He just wouldn't be the same if he wasn't black.

I dunno, this is a very touchy subject. I understand both sides, I really do, though I think I'm siding a bit more with the hurt people than the helped people this time.

While I understand everyone's frustrations with the possible changes, I personally am actually relieved. I spent weeks, hours, so many many nights hoping and praying to find my blue baby before someone saw it first and killed it. After finally getting Madexxtasy (my blue) I have totally bonded with her. However, should I call her from my stable and she's red...well she's still my pet, and I'll still love her:) I'll definitely tame a color changer for the color, but it won't make Madexxtasy any less special to me. Maybe it's because I change my hair color A LOT in real life, but to me it's not a huge deal. Just cosmetic. I've already made too many memories with my pretty little scorpid for me to not want her anymore. At least they aren't making some of the colors totally gone, as in no more blues at all anywhere, etc. My one hope is that the common ones are stable colors. Maybe my incredibly psychotic camp for my blue changed the way my mind works, but there is absolutely no color that could make me want to do that camp again. Worst camp EVER. I do sympathize with all of you who are upset about the possible changes, I really do. But please don't throw anything at me...I am FOR the changes....*sets down yummy cookies and runs for cover* =)

This sounds like a mistake. Lemme see if I can find anything out before you panic any more Certainly don't make any changes to your live stabled scorpids based on what could be a temporary ptr glitch. If I find out anything I'll let ya know

I hope so Wain.

The one thing im not happy about the changes is that.. I have all colors on Sasrei (perks of getting to 85 fast and noone caring about madexx for a long time until I waltzed around with em) so having 2 greens, 2 reds, and 1 black is.. pointless. I use Alucard (Brown) for tanking mostly or Alectra (Red) so having Alucard green when I have Alesandro (whos green..) and then my blue Airien turning red is.. confusing.

I mean Id go out and tame the color changer if need be, extra space I guess.. but im still a little sad about it.

Blue is now Red....thank god.

Rhyela wrote:I think I tend to agree more with Comett than with Pent on this one. In my personal opinion, changing pets that are already in our stables ISN'T the way to go. Pent, I know you love green and that you're ecstatic that your bronze is going to become the color you love, but on the flip side, there are a lot of hunters who worked very long and hard to have their blue or bronze, and now suddenly they won't have them anymore.

I really, really, reeeeeally think Blizz should simply retire the bronze and blue Madexx IDs, leave the red/green/black IDs intact, and make the commons stable colors.

No, your green wouldn't fall into your lap after the patch, but you would have a bit of an easier time finding it.

I really mean no offense, but I think changing peoples' Madexxes they've already tamed is going to hurt a lot more people than it is going to help. Unfortunately, if they go through with this, there is nothing we can do about it. I just really sympathize with everyone because I know what a pain this camp is. I know I'd be upset if my pet I worked so hard to get suddenly wasn't the pet I worked so hard to get, if you know what I mean. For many people, the bond with a pet is the culmination of many things: rarity, skin, camp time, etc. I know Vulkoor wouldn't be the same if he suddenly became some other color. Why? Because black just suits him and his personality and everything. He just wouldn't be the same if he wasn't black.

I dunno, this is a very touchy subject. I understand both sides, I really do, though I think I'm siding a bit more with the hurt people than the helped people this time.

I see what you and Comett are saying, but think of it this way... who do you think were (or will be) in more stables at the time of their "skin change"... The brown and blue Madexxs... OR.... Rak'shiri and every other single pet that has EVER had a skin change throughout the game... I would be willing to bet the scorpions get beat by at least 20:1.

And why not side with hurt people... they are the ones that are voicing their opinions more.

Oh... and Wain... I do not think this is a "mistake". It is hard to go around changing enemies NPC IDs without knowing about it first... I know you know a dev.. ask him how easy it would be to accidently change a whole mob's ID in code... and then ask him how easy it would be to accidently do it to TWO mobs at the same time... It isn't an accident and if Blizzard says it was they are lying.

I still don't get why some people are getting so upset with this... there will be no skin going away entirely, and if you formed a "bond' with a brown or blue Madexx within 2.5 months then see this as a molting... it isn't that far fetched.

If you all tamed the brown or blue Madexx because of their color and rarity... well.. their rarity will be gone as soon as the patch hits because no matter what you know... you are going to have a regular common Madexx-skin scorpion to everyone else... and most people won't even take notice of your pet several months from now. Just because of the non-rare color changers being out there in the same color. I would wager that most of you won't even be using your Madexx 3-6 months from now.

I have come to the conclusion that if Blizzard decides to keep the colors the way they are and then make Madexx only spawn in green, red, and black... then fine so be it... I'll keep trying for green (even though I have wasted too much time on him already). But if the dev reads this thread and sees everyone here complaining about it and overlooks the few who actually think this is a good idea..and then ignores the rest of the hunter community's opinion about Madexx and his ridiculous spawn times and locations then there is something seriously wrong with how things are handled at Blizzard.

There has to be some middle point and I seriously think Blizzard has nailed it on PTR (except making the color changers into stable colored blue and bronze mobs). Why doesn't Blizzard just let the people who have the blue and bronze Madexxs say if they want to stay the same color or change to the new color... oh yeah... because that still won't make everyone happy.

Nothing, N-O-T-H-I-N-G, will make the majority happy... Why? Because the majority changes their mind on a daily basis.

I am done. Complain away.

(Seriously... I am done on this subject for now, so don't even call me out... I use to care about other hunter's opinions, but now I only care about my own opinion and well being, because as hard as I have tried there is NO middle ground here.)

Pent wrote:It is hard to go around changing enemies NPC IDs without knowing about it first... I know you know a dev.. ask him how easy it would be to accidently change a whole mob's ID in code... and then ask him how easy it would be to accidently do it to TWO mobs at the same time...

I'm gonna wager a guess here and say that when Wain says he's going to see if he can find out, he actually already meant talking to the dev, lol.

I don't see the harm in it all realistically--it was silly having EVERY color of the new scorpid model be a spawn of a rare, and lots of people said so.

Think about it--what would you do? If you decided that yes, as we all said at the start, that idea is a bit silly, well... First, you go making some of the colors more readily available. But then what? Then those colors on wild Madexx become devalued.

I mean, who wants to camp three days and then get Madexx spawn in a COMMON skin? So making one a rare skin, and the rest common, makes the most sense. And if the folks who had long-camped Madexx suddenly had their skin turn into an easily-gettable color, I could see them being very upset. So, the dev-in-charge said well, I'll take them into consideration; if they prefer their current color they can tame the common beast, but if they prefer the rare skin due to rarity, this will ensure their time wasn't wasted.

So to me, this solution seems to be the one that will upset the least people. Those who have tamed Madexx and have the skin changed may be unhappy about it, and I definitely understand that, but I think this was pretty well thought-out to be the answer that will upset the fewest.

Edit--the color-changing thing in addition is just plain silly. With the color-changing thrown into the mix, it stops making sense, so I definitely can see either the Madexx being a mistake, or the color-changing not being "final stage" just yet.

I really really hope they don't switch this back to not changing tamed ones, though I do hope they make the common browns and blues stable colors. As Acherontia says, people who camped still have a unique rare skin and people who want the skin just tame the common mob. Makes the most sense to me.

Pent wrote:It is hard to go around changing enemies NPC IDs without knowing about it first... I know you know a dev.. ask him how easy it would be to accidently change a whole mob's ID in code... and then ask him how easy it would be to accidently do it to TWO mobs at the same time...

I wouldn't imagine it to be that hard, really - if you get in a situation where the right hand doesn't know what the left one is doing, then you could wind up with one dev deliberately changing the codes due to a misinterpretation of what the higher-ups had asked for, or a miscommunication between devs as to how the MAdexx changes are to be implemented. Hence, the mistake could be in the instructions themselves, rather than a spectacular coding snafu like what you describe.

*cheers Wain* Thanks for checking with Noah! This is really a different situation than with any other rare changing because no other rare has ever had multiple unique appearances with individual id numbers before, so it would make sense that the old Madexxes would be retired without being changed.

And as was previously said, those looking for a particular color scorpid will have two readily available and three random chances on the rare instead of five - the odds just went way up!

I can definitely sympathize with the people who went out to find blue and/or bronze and now get their pet changed, but for me this change is good. The only Madexx I've ever seen in the wild (alive or dead) is my current blue one and I like the red color a lot better.

Rhyela wrote:I really, really, reeeeeally think Blizz should simply retire the bronze and blue Madexx IDs, leave the red/green/black IDs intact, and make the commons stable colors.

You know, even though I'd like my blue becoming red I have to say I agree with this, existing tamed pets shouldn't really be changed. But it's not like Blizz haven't done this before and they now seem intent on doing this again.

Pent wrote:Oh... and Wain... I do not think this is a "mistake". It is hard to go around changing enemies NPC IDs without knowing about it first... I know you know a dev.. ask him how easy it would be to accidently change a whole mob's ID in code... and then ask him how easy it would be to accidently do it to TWO mobs at the same time... It isn't an accident and if Blizzard says it was they are lying.

It's nothing to do with switching NPC ids and everything to do with switching skins, which is trivial to do in their interface. I've seen it done before my eyes. And I'm personally aware of mobs that were switched wrongly only to be switched back later, because someone selected the wrong one for the skin change. I'm not saying this wasn't deliberate, because I, and nobody else here, knows either way yet. Let's wait and see.