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Kalliope wrote:Err, Ryai, your results may vary, depending on your server/battlegroup. I've seen VoAs with SEVEN PALADINS....and then I've seen some with zero.

We won't go into my guild. Six or seven raiding hunters. Thank god our raid leader rotates us...

Yeah I know but I mean in general there's usually atleast one feral, and it's usually a tank. Meaning if they have it they most likely have the imp bleed talent as it is. I didn't mean to be that condesending but to put a near useless talent on a TANKING pet?

Wtf?




that's nothing compared to ally BG. I've seen an AV once where like 25/30 players were paladins ... ._. it was lolstorm everywhere

Make those multiboxing pallies and we've got ourselves a deal.

It really depends on the raid/day/server/battlegroup, but yeah, getting back to the point....

The mangle buff is usually covered, be there a feral druid or otherwise. There is NO REASON to stick it on a BM-ONLY TENACITY pet. Good idea, questionable implementation.

Now say that that talent went into a cat pet's cunning tree....

Kalliope wrote:It really depends on the raid/day/server/battlegroup, but yeah, getting back to the point....

The mangle buff is usually covered, be there a feral druid or otherwise. There is NO REASON to stick it on a BM-ONLY TENACITY pet. Good idea, questionable implementation.

Now say that that talent went into a cat pet's cunning tree....

For some reason that made me think; Wasp used Sting on Rogue! It's super effective! Rogue gained Bleed! All pets in a 50 yard radius aggro on Rogue! ... It's super effective!.

I giggled.

If they do that maybe they could finally fix Rhino's, make their Stampede impale the target, maybe pierce the armor/reduce hit/stun the target or do XX dmg to unstunable targets like the frost mage's talent.

I seriously have to wonder how they look at stampede at the moment and go "Yep, that family skill is just fine the way it is."

Seriously I don't see what the Problem is? I have a Wolf for raiding, a Spider And cat For PvP,
A Bear for tanking when I solo Dungeons, And A spirit Beast for showing off?
They All have a purpose and when i'm just farming or messing around I mix it up

Shlongg wrote:Seriously I don't see what the Problem is? I have a Wolf for raiding, a Spider And cat For PvP,
A Bear for tanking when I solo Dungeons, And A spirit Beast for showing off?
They All have a purpose and when i'm just farming or messing around I mix it up

Look not to be rude or anything but if you can't see the problem after a few pages of it, after a few months of it, after several flailing and failed attempts of Devs to fix the problem, then I don't think we can really spell it out for you what the problem is since you seem to have the standard pets, IE wolf for raiding, Spider for PVP, Bear for tanking and a SB just for a show off.

Ryai wrote:

Shlongg wrote:Seriously I don't see what the Problem is? I have a Wolf for raiding, a Spider And cat For PvP,
A Bear for tanking when I solo Dungeons, And A spirit Beast for showing off?
They All have a purpose and when i'm just farming or messing around I mix it up

Look not to be rude or anything but if you can't see the problem after a few pages of it, after a few months of it, after several flailing and failed attempts of Devs to fix the problem, then I don't think we can really spell it out for you what the problem is since you seem to have the standard pets, IE wolf for raiding, Spider for PVP, Bear for tanking and a SB just for a show off.

Yeah, pretty much.

If you're happy with the standard pets, fine. We've explained why we're dissatisfied with the standards.

*facepalms a bit at another cat being used for PvP*

A single post from a guy named Shlongg? Smells like a troll to me.

I don't agree the Spirt Beast shouldn't do a little more damage the rest of the pets. People have camped out for days to get them and for what ? Show and tell ? It should be for looks and it should do more damage because it's a rare pet that's very hard to find.

The min-maxers would have fits if they had to do that.

Kalliope wrote:The min-maxers would have fits if they had to do that.

I think Adam means do more dps than cats but less than devilsaurs so they're a respectable pet but they aren't the useless laughing stock that garners so much hatred and spite from others.

Edit: Well they'll still garner hatred. idk why. Sure I get jealous of other hunters taming so quickly or easily, a spirit beast I aimed for. Or a specific rare [Krush or Aotona] but would I go out of my way to be an ass? No I always pet the pet, no matter the side, or cheer the hunter or whisper congrats.

but that's just me it seems >.>

They actually do more than a cat... At least with my current build and gear...

Ryai wrote:

Kalliope wrote:The min-maxers would have fits if they had to do that.

I think Adam means do more dps than cats but less than devilsaurs so they're a respectable pet but they aren't the useless laughing stock that garners so much hatred and spite from others.

I don't think they're useless. Spirit beasts are still up there.

It was BM in general that was mocked in endgame, but it got buffed.

The hatred and spite comes from other places. >_<

Kalliope wrote:

Ryai wrote:

Kalliope wrote:The min-maxers would have fits if they had to do that.

I think Adam means do more dps than cats but less than devilsaurs so they're a respectable pet but they aren't the useless laughing stock that garners so much hatred and spite from others.

I don't think they're useless. Spirit beasts are still up there.

It was BM in general that was mocked in endgame, but it got buffed.

The hatred and spite comes from other places. >_<

No I know that- but alot of other people don't that's part of the problem.

Ryai wrote:

Kalliope wrote:I don't think they're useless. Spirit beasts are still up there.

It was BM in general that was mocked in endgame, but it got buffed.

The hatred and spite comes from other places. >_<

No I know that- but alot of other people don't that's part of the problem.

They're a few patches behind and should be ignored then.

We aren't quite up to SV, but the numbers are closer now. It annoys me that we got buffed in such a boring way, but I'll take any help I can get, really. Part of the problem is, BM's are typically seen as being huntards on sight. And I hate that word, so hard. Huntard. Whoever thought that up should have been kicked right in his jibbilies.

Palladiamorsdeus wrote:We aren't quite up to SV, but the numbers are closer now. It annoys me that we got buffed in such a boring way, but I'll take any help I can get, really. Part of the problem is, BM's are typically seen as being huntards on sight. And I hate that word, so hard. Huntard. Whoever thought that up should have been kicked right in his jibbilies.

Actually tbh I hated the word at first.

But now I use it- on HunTARDS. note the tard.

IE; MM hunter. With cat. Obviously doesn't know wtf she/he is doing, obviously is rolling the stupid way of word of mouth and I know my class better than you and you're a no lifer cause you have 5 hunters on one server amigawd u must have no 80!!!

Lets ignore the fact Coal was toting 4 BoA treasures at the time...

Now this idiot didn't deserve to be called a Hunter. But a Huntard. Why?

She was wearing cloth.

She was defending wearing cloth, because of Careful Aim. Caterwalling about how imba RAP she/he got because of all the intel.

But then I use Loldins, Warturds, faildroods and etc etc whenever I met an idiot of that specific class. I'm not meaning to insult the class, just the player, of that class.

Besides it was funny to see a Druid use it on a Fail nelf hunter who was trying to not only bash other hunters, but evidently at the time a hunter, who had worse gear than him, pulling off far superior DPS that both sides were amazed from.

He usually appeared with a LOL NIGHT ELF HUNTARD.

And that perception that beast master = "huntard" may be the biggest hurdle that we, as a historically underperforming spec, have to face.

It's quite possible that, in Cataclysm, all 3 hunter trees will do approximately the same DPS. But I'm willing to bet that, because the habit of looking down on beast masters as somehow inferior got started in vanilla, it will still hang around for a very long time, even in Cataclysm, if we ever get rid of it at all.

Perception can be an even more difficult bugaboo to slay than Arthas is.

I think a lot of the bad press BM gets would go away if BM got its own unique shot. Something that would require a little more thought and would afford some mobility. Pet micromanagement is less of a problem than it used to be, so it's not like BM hunters need to focus exclusively on that, y'know?

I don't mind the term huntard being thrown around, as long as it's on someone who truly deserves the label. People who casually say "I can bring my huntard" or who refer to hunters blanketly as "huntards" drive me batty. And assuming a hunter is a huntard because they're specced BM is just plain stupid.

While in top of the top it appears BM is lacking still (BARELY) After plugging my gear in FD.com a few days ago, it showed my personal Best DPS as My BM spec with a Devilsaur. This was 7.6k Dps in a full-decked (All buffs/debuffs) 25 man group, and it showed My MM spec with wolf, which is specced for HM/glyphed, at a 7.25k in the same raid 'enviroment'.

What I'm trying to say is: MILEAGE MAY VARY... It really depends on gear, spec, and talent. I really haven't gotten to much grief for going BM with Ictus, but when I do, I just send people to my Char. Sheet, and tell 'em to plug it into FD.com, then stfu.