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Davarra wrote:When it comes down to it, Garrosh is a stupid brute. One look at rebuilt Org is enough to tell you he has zero tactical sense, as it's COMPLETELY indefensible!

While I agree that Org has too many entrances (though that will be less relevant with flying in old-world anyway) and is open to bombardment from above, at least he had the sense of putting the zeppelin towers inside the city!

Mustafah wrote:I see so many people calling Garrosh names and hating him. But why? except killing Cairne by an accident, what he have done bad and why everyone hate him??

After that, Garrosh cried in the corner sucking his thumb because "Magatha stoleded my kill, boooo hoooo!!!" Not "Oh sh**, I just killed the leader of a race that belongs to my faction.."

He's been nothing but rude and arrogant towards Vol'Jin AND Eltrigg.

I'm no Allie sympathizer (sorry!) but the whole "Me orc! Me smash stoopit pink skin!" Is ridiculous. Did they do anything that required a reaction? If not, stop stirring the pot.

Not sure how his ego fits in Org... and it's a big city. Before he realised what his father accomplished (back to that soon), he was a whiny little emo baby out in Nagrand.

Back to his father, why didn't he bother doing ANY homework to get FACTS abour his father before he stomped his feet and started his whole "Daddy never loved me!" pity-fest?

I really just hope he gets eaten by Deathwing.

Cozzene wrote: Before he realised what his father accomplished (back to that soon), he was a whiny little emo baby out in Nagrand.

Back to his father, why didn't he bother doing ANY homework to get FACTS abour his father before he stomped his feet and started his whole "Daddy never loved me!" pity-fest?

I really just hope he gets eaten by Deathwing.

^ Another very good point. You don't see all the other lore characters with dead daddies (which is almost all of them, come to think of it) whining the way Garrosh does.

Seriously, why couldn't he just sing a song about it?

Moonlost wrote:That's just it. Anyone can become Forsaken. Sure, it means you need to die and then swear yourself over to Sylvanas' cause, but other than that I can't see the Dark lady turning anyone down. A race, on the other hand, you cannot simply join, you have to be born as one. Oh, you can be considered to be an honourary member of a race, but that's not really the same thing.

And we bend right around to my earlier questions. Does she have the right to do this to someone without asking their permission first? Are the needs of her people, arguably a cursed lot to begin with, more important than those of the souls she raises? There are no right or wrong answers to these questions, which is what makes them so difficult to answer in the first place.

/divesbackintodiscussion

A few thoughts in response to Moonlost's excellent analysis...

Have we seen many Forsaken that were not human at one point? Is it simply that the plague or whatever they are using is more effective on the human body (Saturo would love that..), but with the Valk' in play now, perhaps that's no longer an issue.

To respond to the first question, she doesn't, but there's not a realistic way to ask that permission. To ask is already ripping them from wherever they were.

As to the second, there are right and wrong, it's merely a question of what side of the grave you happen to be sitting on.

Again, my call for a war against the Forsaken might seem harsh, but viewed in the light of Sylvanas's goals, if you are her target, how else should you respond?

As for Garrosh, he scares me far less than Sylvanas, mainly because he's predictable. Sylvanas is the insidious one.

I also suspect they needed a new punching bag after Wyrnn 'straightened up'. And along came emo boy...

No no, I still call him King Chin and wish I could smash his face in with a tree branch too =) I share the hatred <3