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Massive Deth'Tillac Fail :(

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 2:07 pm
by Arisia
I had tried to convince myself that no... no... didn't REALLY want a spider that hard to tame. I know my limitations. BUt then... today, while doing my dailies, a really nice human (cross faction kindness!) kept gesturing me to follow him and THERE he was in his magnificent purple wonderfulness.

I tried doing it alone. Died 9 times. FInally got an amazingly nice shadow priest to come help... as I waited to be able to rez, a human hunter appeared, tried to tame, and also got eaten. SO I started, and when the other hunter came back HE helped-- and we worked and worked and others came in and slowly, so slowly, Deth's health shrank...

And THEN it hit the magic spot and I tried to tame and after one heart-- and NO iron will.... my tame stopped.

Over and over and over...

NOTHING... I tried everything-- freeze trap, ice trap, standing way back, running UNDER him nearly... nothing worked. I'd get ONE heart, as it were, and then the tame STOPPED.

Then I died... and so did he ::sigh::

I feel terrible-- not only did I lose a pet I wanted, I wasted the time of a LOT of amazing folks, Horde and Alliance both. If any of you are on the board here-- thank you... not sure WTF I did wrong, but it was me, I'm sure.

Yeah, feeling like poop now... I think I will head offline; all in all, this put the cherry on a really crap day.

Re: Massive Deth'Tillac Fail :(

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:45 pm
by Sarantha
Did you possibly not have aggro? I've seen this happen to hunters who simply don't have enough aggro on the mob. I even let Deth kill me to give a hunter back his aggro so he could tame Deth before. All you'll get is the one heart and then it stops and Deth keeps going for his original target: the highest person on his aggro table.

Re: Massive Deth'Tillac Fail :(

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:57 pm
by Dewclaw
Yeah, I'm thinking it was an aggro issue too. I'm sorry things went so poorly. It's a rough fight to have to go through to have that happen. :(

Re: Massive Deth'Tillac Fail :(

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 4:06 pm
by meepitco
Aww *hugs* I failed at a few deth'tilac tries, too. You may have had an aggro issue, which I am agreeing on. Or..since you said cross-fraction, it could have been the other fraction. I had a friend get silenced, then have Deth'tilac tamed before his eyes. (Keep in mind, I AM on a pvp realm)
You'll get your purple buddy soon :3

Re: Massive Deth'Tillac Fail :(

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 4:10 pm
by Arisia
The more I have read and reread, and video watched and more reading.... I'm thinking you were all right; I should have asked everyone to stop or slow down. I didn't SEE him targeting anyone, but I will admit to being frustrated, and a bit freaked at the time.

I really felt so bad for everyone who helped; next time I think I will try hosing myself down, and coordinating it all a bit better.

Thank all of you-- you gave me pause to reconsider where it all went pear-shaped. ::hug::

Re: Massive Deth'Tillac Fail :(

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 4:15 pm
by Lisaara
Yeah sounds like someone stole your aggro. Also he needs to stay away from the NPCs(if you did the warden dailies).

Re: Massive Deth'Tillac Fail :(

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 4:17 pm
by meepitco
Yeah. If you did Warden Dailies, you WILL probably end up killing him or aggro goes off. It's happened to me before. You'll get him someday :3 Just remember, the smallest amounts of hope, can change the tides of war. (God I love Spiro quotes)

Re: Massive Deth'Tillac Fail :(

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 6:37 pm
by Anj
It's aggro.

The sight of Deth'tilac brings out the best and worst from players: either we help or kill. People will keep on attacking no matter what and only those who know what to do will keep their distance or FD. So aggro is pretty much a challenge to get when it's a free-for-all spree.

Arisia, your time will come :) Good luck!

Re: Massive Deth'Tillac Fail :(

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:16 pm
by Sarantha
A solution to the aggro problem seems to be druid roots. A mage had aggro on Deth while I was helping a friend earlier on my druid, I rooted Deth, and Deth just spun around in a circle acting confused. He was targeting no one, not even me, the person who cast roots, and the hunter was able to tame easily. That was really strange, but maybe having him rooted in place confuses his aggro table long enough for you to tame him. Get a druid buddy?

Re: Massive Deth'Tillac Fail :(

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:54 am
by Snowbird
i tamed mine on my first ever try! did dps her to half all bymyself. What i did was kiting ressing pet slow traps and slow shot, kited to end of the wall behind there. and turned around and disenrage right trought deht! And back. did that over and over. vent gr8! u should try that!

Re: Massive Deth'Tillac Fail :(

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:12 am
by Bor
If you really care about taming Deth'tilac, spec survival or MM and pick up 2/2 entrapment in survival http://www.wowhead.com/spell=19387 . Surv spec also has lower CD on traps which helps as well. Forget about DPSing millions of health. Use snake and ice trap for entrapment and you will have PLENTY of time to res and send you pet (just don't send immediately or he will die from white attacks due to HP scaling taking 2-3 seconds). Like others suggest in Deth'tilac taming stories, get one of the "trash" spiders around for "web". even if your pet doesn't have aggro on Deth, as lot as you root him with "entrapment" or "web", he will kill your pet while in root.

Additional tips: you can also get glyph of concussive shot and glyph of ice trap.

Video which I used as a guide to taming Deth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-THDDPC22eA

Most of all, take it easy. Remember to always keep serpent string on him so he doesn't reset and doesn't get stacks of "Deth metal" (increases his speed when you don't attack him). If you keep concussive, ice trap, snake trap and serpent on him he's VERY slow and you will have plenty of time to res pet and move around him when going the other way. Try not to bring Deth outside of the spire or he will get unnecessary attention. You don't even need to disengage when moving around him, he's super slow. When I used those tactics I tamed him first try. Watch the vid and try when you get a chance. It's really not that hard. As a last tip: remember to res your pet for the last time when he's at 20% then abandon/dismiss (and make sure you have a slot free). It will count as an active pet as long as it's dead, so keep that in mind. Don't panic, relax. it's a lot easier than I thought myself.

The whole tame, when done right, will take 5 minutes or less.

Re: Massive Deth'Tillac Fail :(

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:34 pm
by Caaliin
Yes. After 5 failed attempts, make sure you keep serpent sting on him for aggro. Respec per bor in last response. And what I think is key if others are attacking Deth, abandon your pet around 30% health, and tame as soon as next person dies. Serpent sting is key.

Re: Massive Deth'Tillac Fail :(

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:41 pm
by Lisaara
Bor wrote:If you really care about taming Deth'tilac, spec survival or MM and pick up 2/2 entrapment in survival http://www.wowhead.com/spell=19387 . Surv spec also has lower CD on traps which helps as well. Forget about DPSing millions of health. Use snake and ice trap for entrapment and you will have PLENTY of time to res and send you pet (just don't send immediately or he will die from white attacks due to HP scaling taking 2-3 seconds). Like others suggest in Deth'tilac taming stories, get one of the "trash" spiders around for "web". even if your pet doesn't have aggro on Deth, as lot as you root him with "entrapment" or "web", he will kill your pet while in root.

Additional tips: you can also get glyph of concussive shot and glyph of ice trap.

Video which I used as a guide to taming Deth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-THDDPC22eA

Most of all, take it easy. Remember to always keep serpent string on him so he doesn't reset and doesn't get stacks of "Deth metal" (increases his speed when you don't attack him). If you keep concussive, ice trap, snake trap and serpent on him he's VERY slow and you will have plenty of time to res pet and move around him when going the other way. Try not to bring Deth outside of the spire or he will get unnecessary attention. You don't even need to disengage when moving around him, he's super slow. When I used those tactics I tamed him first try. Watch the vid and try when you get a chance. It's really not that hard. As a last tip: remember to res your pet for the last time when he's at 20% then abandon/dismiss (and make sure you have a slot free). It will count as an active pet as long as it's dead, so keep that in mind. Don't panic, relax. it's a lot easier than I thought myself.

The whole tame, when done right, will take 5 minutes or less.
You don't have to respec to tame him. All 3 times I've tamed him was in BM spec. I think ya'll are blowing this out of proportion a bit. She just lost aggro. Respeccing doesn't really fix the aggro problem. I agree with the rest of it. Panicking makes you fumble and mess up.

Re: Massive Deth'Tillac Fail :(

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:28 pm
by Ijomi
:) Arisia, if you need help when he pops for you again, /who Heart Of Gold. One of the people online is either myself on an alt or my fiance. We'll get him for you! Two hunters with one pulling sacrifice duty makes it easy and as safe as Deth gets. :lol:

Re: Massive Deth'Tillac Fail :(

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:36 pm
by Lisaara
Ijomi wrote::) Arisia, if you need help when he pops for you again, /who Heart Of Gold. One of the people online is either myself on an alt or my fiance. We'll get him for you! Two hunters with one pulling sacrifice duty makes it easy and as safe as Deth gets. :lol:
I'm usually on too. Arisia, you got me on real ID too I think! Should've told me...XD

Re: Massive Deth'Tillac Fail :(

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:03 pm
by Novikova
Honestly, aggro on Deth still seems really weird and (no pun intended) buggy to me.

Re: Massive Deth'Tillac Fail :(

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:24 pm
by Sarantha
Novikova wrote:Honestly, aggro on Deth still seems really weird and (no pun intended) buggy to me.
As evidenced by the druid roots thing. Deth just spins around confusedly, seemingly having no aggro on anyone at all. While great for the hunter taming him, this is odd. This may be the thing with all mobs rooted, but I haven't noticed that. I notice that when I root something with my druid, the mob still has eyes on my druid and aggro on her. Not the case with Deth, or Solix, seemingly. Both get baffled and just spin in a circle, unconcerned with aggro while rooted.

Re: Massive Deth'Tillac Fail :(

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:47 pm
by Lisaara
Sarantha wrote:
Novikova wrote:Honestly, aggro on Deth still seems really weird and (no pun intended) buggy to me.
As evidenced by the druid roots thing. Deth just spins around confusedly, seemingly having no aggro on anyone at all. While great for the hunter taming him, this is odd. This may be the thing with all mobs rooted, but I haven't noticed that. I notice that when I root something with my druid, the mob still has eyes on my druid and aggro on her. Not the case with Deth, or Solix, seemingly. Both get baffled and just spin in a circle, unconcerned with aggro while rooted.
Jetfyre: *uses entangling roots on Deth then hides*
Deth: *Spins around* Alright! Whos the little punk who rooted me! C'mon out you bastard! I'll only eat your face!
Hunter: o.o;

Re: Massive Deth'Tillac Fail :(

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:54 pm
by Sarantha
Jessibelle wrote:
Sarantha wrote:
Novikova wrote:Honestly, aggro on Deth still seems really weird and (no pun intended) buggy to me.
As evidenced by the druid roots thing. Deth just spins around confusedly, seemingly having no aggro on anyone at all. While great for the hunter taming him, this is odd. This may be the thing with all mobs rooted, but I haven't noticed that. I notice that when I root something with my druid, the mob still has eyes on my druid and aggro on her. Not the case with Deth, or Solix, seemingly. Both get baffled and just spin in a circle, unconcerned with aggro while rooted.
Jetfyre: *uses entangling roots on Deth then hides*
Deth: *Spins around* Alright! Whos the little punk who rooted me! C'mon out you bastard! I'll only eat your face!
Hunter: o.o;
Seriously, thats what they look like they're doing. I just rooted Solix not too long ago, and he just sat there in roots, targeting no one, spinning around slowly. The hunter tamed him easily while he was confused or whatever.

Re: Massive Deth'Tillac Fail :(

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:04 pm
by Rhyela
Jessibelle wrote:
Bor wrote:If you really care about taming Deth'tilac, spec survival or MM and pick up 2/2 entrapment in survival http://www.wowhead.com/spell=19387 . Surv spec also has lower CD on traps which helps as well. Forget about DPSing millions of health. Use snake and ice trap for entrapment and you will have PLENTY of time to res and send you pet (just don't send immediately or he will die from white attacks due to HP scaling taking 2-3 seconds). Like others suggest in Deth'tilac taming stories, get one of the "trash" spiders around for "web". even if your pet doesn't have aggro on Deth, as lot as you root him with "entrapment" or "web", he will kill your pet while in root.

Additional tips: you can also get glyph of concussive shot and glyph of ice trap.

Video which I used as a guide to taming Deth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-THDDPC22eA

Most of all, take it easy. Remember to always keep serpent string on him so he doesn't reset and doesn't get stacks of "Deth metal" (increases his speed when you don't attack him). If you keep concussive, ice trap, snake trap and serpent on him he's VERY slow and you will have plenty of time to res pet and move around him when going the other way. Try not to bring Deth outside of the spire or he will get unnecessary attention. You don't even need to disengage when moving around him, he's super slow. When I used those tactics I tamed him first try. Watch the vid and try when you get a chance. It's really not that hard. As a last tip: remember to res your pet for the last time when he's at 20% then abandon/dismiss (and make sure you have a slot free). It will count as an active pet as long as it's dead, so keep that in mind. Don't panic, relax. it's a lot easier than I thought myself.

The whole tame, when done right, will take 5 minutes or less.
You don't have to respec to tame him. All 3 times I've tamed him was in BM spec. I think ya'll are blowing this out of proportion a bit. She just lost aggro. Respeccing doesn't really fix the aggro problem. I agree with the rest of it. Panicking makes you fumble and mess up.
It is true that respeccing doesn't fix the aggro problem, but if she can do it more easily by herself, then there wouldn't be an aggro problem! :lol: It doesn't matter how you do it, OP, just do it whichever way is easiest and less stressful for you. With patience, work, and a a sprinkling of luck, you will get your purple spider of doom! Or...cuddles, whichever you prefer. :D