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party order question

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:05 am
by Sukurachi
I know this might be a stupid question, but...

I don't party very often other than dual-boxing or with a couple friends.

Doing the Coren Direwhatsisname daily dungeon thingy, I'd like to easily target the tank and Misdirect to him, but of course, it's a different tank every time I do the daily.

Is the order of players always the same?
in other words, is the tank always the next player after you?
or does it change?

often they just start so fast I don't have time to set focus, I'd like to be able to "MD to tank" easily with a macro.

would it be automatic that player1=tank? (assuming there IS a tank in the group, of course)

Re: party order question

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:07 am
by Worba
no tank is not always in position 1, best you can do is /focus and use a MD macro that targets [@focus]

Re: party order question

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:28 am
by GormanGhaste
The way I look at it, if the tanks wanted us to do multiple misdirects, then they'd give us a couple of seconds to set a focus. At least I have time to use a quick keybound misdirect and portrait click before Direbrew aggros.

Re: party order question

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:47 am
by Sukurachi
I've tied setting a focus really fast, but I seem to be getting a lot of "an addon has caused an interface error" messages.
I never get this when I MD to my pet with my macro. This is the first time I've been getting this error message (since yesterday, in other words).

I wish there were an easy way to tell which addon causes errors.
I use very few of them still, it's a nuisance figuring out which one.

Re: party order question

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:37 am
by Worba
I have that exact issue re: addon freakout in reaction to right click ==> set focus.

In my case it's a known issue caused by Stuf Unit Frames, an addon which I otherwise love to pieces.

So normally I just target the tank and type /focus.

However if things are too rushed for that, I would just make a macro to set /focus, so

1) Click on tank's icon in party box
2) Click on my /focus macro

That should be fast enough without triggering any addon strangeness.

Re: party order question

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:22 pm
by Tsuki
Blizz should implement a title thing, so like
If you type in /target [role=tank], it'll target the closest person registered as a tank.
Then again, that's pretty iffy

Re: party order question

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:25 pm
by guttershark
what I generally do is have my MD on button 1, and I use grid (which maybe you won't want to do :( )
I also use the addon 'clique' occasionally, in which case you can just keybind MD to a grid mouse click.

what I do though is i just hit 1 and then click the tank's name on grid, works good for me!

Re: party order question

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:34 pm
by Worba
If @focus is too restrictive (say for example you're in a situation where you need to target both the tank and healer at different times), then @mouseover is probably the next best thing.

Re: party order question

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:34 pm
by peanutbuttercup
Well specifically for Coren you don't really need to worry about MDs, even with an undergeared tank. Nothing in there hits that hard even if you do pull aggro. If anything I MD to my pet (with growl off) just to shed some aggro at the start, and tank anything that I do pull myself.

That said, I also use a /target focus cast MD macro. And I also have addon interface problems about 50% of the time, so in a dungeon I have time to fix it, but not in a quick run like this.

Re: party order question

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:48 pm
by Sigrah
Here's the Macro I use for Misdirection:

#showtooltip Misdirection
/cast [@focus,help] [@pet,exists] Misdirection

Basically, if you have a friendly target as your focus, it will cast Misdirection on them. If you don't, it'll cast Misdirection on your pet instead.

Re: party order question

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:55 am
by Sukurachi
hmm, I found a stray macro in my macro list, similar to yours, but it had "nodead" in it as well... would that even work?
as in MD to my focus if it's the tank and isn't dead, if not, to my pet?

Re: party order question

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:05 am
by Golden
I have making my target my focus bound to an easy to reach key (F), and the commonly used MD macro for my focus/pet.

Sukurachi, I'm no expert in macros, but i'd expect the nodead to just make a separate check if your friendly focus target is alive. With it the MD will go to your pet should your focus die - without it it'll just display an error that your target is dead. At least that's how I'd assume it to work, I honestly haven't tried it.

Re: party order question

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:14 am
by Worba
I'd need to see the macro to know for sure, but yes I believe Golden is correct.

Re: party order question

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:27 am
by CrystalKitten
I can get my MD macro when I get home. The way it works is it will MD to the focus, if I have one. If I don't, OR if the focus is dead, it will MD to my pet.

I can say it's helped save groups a few times.. Tank dies, quick turn on growl and start spamming MD and heal pet (or.. hopefully the healer gets a clue and starts healing my pet, in which case it's a joke as to how wall ANY spec pet can handle left over trash mobs, heh).

Re: party order question

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:33 am
by Worba
This is what I use;

1) In groups. Works same as described above.
2) Solo'ing. Also sends pet in, with same click.

#showtooltip
/use [@focus,exists,nodead][@pet] Misdirection
/petattack [pet,nogroup,@target]

Re: party order question

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:19 pm
by peanutbuttercup
I run with 2 MD macros, one to the focus and one to the pet. This way if I sense that the tank is going to go down, I can proactively pick up aggro on my pet so that maybe the mob won't flatten a few extra people before the pet finally grabs aggro.

And yes I've MDed to pet once on a raid boss, but I swear that's been the only screw up. :)

Re: party order question

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:27 pm
by Finduilas
If you use Healbot with your hunter (I like to do it for spirit mend), you can easily give the tank MD via healbot, as long as one of your slots has "target" in healbot (for my hunters it is left click for target in healbot) - normally the tank is in the upper right corner, so you don't have to target him first. It's an easy way to give MD even in fight without having to leave your target.

Re: party order question

Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:34 am
by Isaba
my macros

FOCUS:
/focus [@target]

simple enough, click tank hit keybind, or click the macro on your bars, done.

MD:
#showtooltip
/cast [@focus,help][help][@pet,exists] Misdirection

not sure entirely about it since I pulled it offline but it will MD to focus if you have one, pet if not works great for me

Re: party order question

Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:14 am
by Worba
That's a good one - I'd personally switch the parameters slightly, so that if you are targeting an ally when clicking MD, that takes precedence over focus and pet, but otherwise looks good to me.

#showtooltip
/cast [help,nodead][@focus,help][@pet,exists] Misdirection