Exotics since level 10?

[Andine]

Taming exotic pets usually took a long time - in Wrath you needed to be over 50 (IIRC), and now you need level 69 to get that ability through talents. However, I'm taking some news about class design from BlizzCon and thinking it might not be the case any longer. We are told most spec's key abilities you get automatically during speccing into it. So retri get Divine Storm while 10 (I think) etc. At least for the spells which are not on the new talent trees.
Guess what? Beastmastery is not on the new talent trees. Does it mean it was considered BM's "key ability" and is now granted upon speccing into it at level 10?

[Lisaara]

I was wondering that myself but so far they said the key ability for BM is Kill Command. They didnt mention anything else.

[Andine]

I was wondering that myself but so far they said the key ability for BM is Kill Command. They didnt mention anything else.

I seem to recall them mentioning multiple key abilities per spec, as in, stuff you have to put points in now, it will be there from the start. And beastmastery is nowhere else to be seen, while I don't think they're taking it away completely. So it's either at level 10, or acquired in some way unknown so far.

[Worba]

That is a very, VERY, interesting question (originally it was 60 pre-cata, which was too long to begin with but at least more or less on par with the restrictions MM and SV had to deal with...).

I've always felt delaying exotics till lvl 69 was one of the few major mistakes they made in 4.0, so I'll be very interested to see how this turns out.

[GormanGhaste]

I don't think that all spec-specific abilities/spells will be granted at level 10, so it's possible that we may still have to wait until later to tame exotics. But even if we do get to tame exotics at level 10, I imagine their exotic abilities won't unlock until later. After all, we already have to wait until level 20 for regular family abilities.

[Magli]

I'm pretty sure that the "key abilities" won't all show up at level 10--we'll pick them up gradually as we level. Difference being, instead of spending a talent point at level 40 to learn Bestial Wrath, we'll get it automatically when we ding 40, or wherever they put it.

[MaximumOverdrive]

I'm pretty sure that the "key abilities" won't all show up at level 10--we'll pick them up gradually as we level. Difference being, instead of spending a talent point at level 40 to learn Bestial Wrath, we'll get it automatically when we ding 40, or wherever they put it.

This sounds about right. Tho I will be any curious to see when we get what at what levels. Level 50 would be a better level imo to get exotics...it'll be just in time to tame a devilsaur heh.

[CrystalKitten]

I'm pretty sure that the "key abilities" won't all show up at level 10--we'll pick them up gradually as we level. Difference being, instead of spending a talent point at level 40 to learn Bestial Wrath, we'll get it automatically when we ding 40, or wherever they put it.

This is what I was thinking as well. Though, it WOULD be nice if we do get beast mastery a lot earlier. Especially since there's some really nice exotics which are lower level now. Like some worms.

[Worba]

I'm pretty sure that the "key abilities" won't all show up at level 10--we'll pick them up gradually as we level. Difference being, instead of spending a talent point at level 40 to learn Bestial Wrath, we'll get it automatically when we ding 40, or wherever they put it.

This is what I was thinking as well. Though, it WOULD be nice if we do get beast mastery a lot earlier. Especially since there's some really nice exotics which are lower level now. Like some worms.

Yes - no reason for BM to wait on exotics if MM and SV don't have to wait on chimaera / explosive shot. ^ ^

(I'm just going off how it is now - for all I know MM and SV have to wait for their goodies in 5.0 just like BM...)

[MaximumOverdrive]

Random thought...if we did get exotics at lvl 10...imagine how cute a core hound would be at that tiny size!

[SylviaDragon]

Hmmm mixed feelings for this but most of them are good. I always felt sorry for the lvl 60 twinks that couldn’t get their bm pets. (sucks even more if you happened to have tamed one before the breaking and had it forever in your stables but never within reach)
I think lvl ten is too low to give you the beast mastery talent ( I would like hunters to have to put SOME amount of work into things before they got to tame chimeras and stuff) but they will probably add the key spells and whatnot a few lvls at a time as many have said. At lvl 10 you don’t have too big a selection of bm pets anyway. But I agree that having it at some time around the upper 40 mid 50s would be alright. Maybe this means we will get low lvl spirit beats at long last? xD

[Worba]

As long as MM and SV have to wait the same amount of time for their signature shots, I have no problem waiting till 40-50 for exotics...

[Andine]

Random thought...if we did get exotics at lvl 10...imagine how cute a core hound would be at that tiny size!

I'm afraid the lowest level tameable core hounds are about... 60? The ones in the Molten Core, I think, the originals.
Though there are some low level worms, chimaeras and silithids, if one fancies that.

[Worba]

You mean besides the Kurken (lvl 12)?

[Andine]

You mean besides the Karken (lvl 7 iirc)?

Right, completely forgot about the Kurken. My hunter is Horde, so didn't even consider going for him, so I forgot him.

[Worba]

He is an oddball though, I will admit - if they went with a lowered exotics level, they probably would need to flesh things out a bit more so that corehound dooesn't always have to mean "white new years event model"...

[Nachtwulf]

Honestly, exotics aren't really all that OP. They have the same stats as any other pet, they just get 'an extra goodie'. Block that extra goodie from happening until, say, 50? Problem solved. There's lots of nice chimaerae and worms and silithids and things below 69, I don't see any reason why they shouldn't be allowed to BM hunters from an early point.

[Worba]

Exotic abilities are not OP (lol please no one's gonna lose sleep over a lvl 20 corehound with scaled 3% haste), but if that was the one sticking point I'd agree to having them unlock later (when they'd suffer less from scaling anyway), since appearance is the only meaningful gain at those levels.

[Lisaara]

I'm pretty sure that the "key abilities" won't all show up at level 10--we'll pick them up gradually as we level. Difference being, instead of spending a talent point at level 40 to learn Bestial Wrath, we'll get it automatically when we ding 40, or wherever they put it.

This is what I was thinking as well. Though, it WOULD be nice if we do get beast mastery a lot earlier. Especially since there's some really nice exotics which are lower level now. Like some worms.

Yeah. Level 50 is reasonable to me.....

[Quiv]

When I think about all the lower level exotic pets (worms, chimeras, silithids etc) I wish they would just allow exotic taming be part of the specialization, but remove the "exotic ability" until whatever level its balanced for. also keep the "4 extra talent points" till later as well.

If this was the case, for the first 50 some odd levels, a worm would just be a ravager, a silithid would be spiderish. save the exotic ability for later levels if balance is a concern, just open these pet skins up from level 10 on.

a level 19 hunter unable to tame evalcharr just seems wrong to me. take away its froststorm breath until level 50 (or whatever level) and let him have it. exotics without the 4 extra points and the exotic ability aren't much different than non-exotic pets.