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So, as we all know. With the addition of Cataclysm, Humans, Undead, Worgen and GOBLINS will be the new hunters running amuck with new pets while shooting dynamite rounds into baddies in a Predatorish Camouflage and whatnot.

However, with the addition of all of these new hunters, it brings us to the classes that can already be Hunters.
Dwarf
Draenei
Night Elf
Orc
Troll
Tauren
Blood Elf
Undead*
Goblin*
Humans*
Worgen*

Well now! That looks to be almost every single race! However (Just like Burning Crusade and Belf Warriors) there seems to be no Gnome Hunters. The ONLY race to not get the elusive bow and pet class.

Now, I understood the past reasoning behind it "Oh, Gnomes are too SMALL to be Hunters." "Oh, Gnomes are too Technological to be Hunters" "Oh, Gnomes ...." etc etc.

But, we have the aforementioned BOLD race. The Goblins.

Now, where in any aspect are Goblins that much different from Gnomes?

They both are very Engineering driven classes (As they just happen to be the two engineering specializations). They are both very short stature wise. And they are both to be (or already) victims of numerous Punting Jokes. (Heck, some even consider Goblins to be Green Gnomes with Big Noses and Ears!)

Now that brings me to my question.

Why? Why can't Gnomes be hunters? Alliance IS one class/race combo below the Horde [Thanks to Sphax for doing the Counting]. So it would only be fair I would say. I just don't understand why they were left out of getting the class.

So, here I am, in THE most friendly hunter community around. With a question, am I the only one whom feels like Gnomes got the shaft on this issue (Besides Saturo of Course)?

Because it`s not in their culture.

Anansi wrote:Because it`s not in their culture.

While that may be true (I admit that I am not familiar with gnomish culture), I don't see why Blizzard couldn't "twink" lore or culture or whatever the way they want to (as we all know has happened before) and make hunters a new class for gnomes. Perhaps they learned from the dwarves they've spent the last five and some-odd years with? Blizz owns lore and in an ever-evolving world like we have, lore can evolve, too.

I would be all for it.

Edit: lawl I said "twink", I meant "tweak". It was too funny (to me anyway) for me to edit.

i totally aggree here AND as another thread i started

Alliance Does have one less class/race than the horde

I'm guessing because the goblins that join the horde, lose their home, and are up a creek for awhile there.

In that time, they have to learn to "hunt" to survive, and they keep that info when they are saved.

Gnomes, pretty much leech off of the dwarfs for food, as far as I know. Of course they offer other services ( ) but still.

...What Ryno said.

(I don't like Gnomes. =|)

Rhyela wrote:

Anansi wrote:Because it`s not in their culture.

While that may be true (I admit that I am not familiar with gnomish culture), I don't see why Blizzard couldn't "twink" lore or culture or whatever the way they want to (as we all know has happened before) and make hunters a new class for gnomes. Perhaps they learned from the dwarves they've spent the last five and some-odd years with? Blizz owns lore and in an ever-evolving world like we have, lore can evolve, too.

I would be all for it.

Edit: lawl I said "twink", I meant "tweak". It was too funny (to me anyway) for me to edit.

I agree too. As long as they've been cooped up with the dwarves it would seem only natural that an equisitive bunch would try their hand at the class. But with keeping with lore they would probably be doing it just to see if they could build a better hunter pet in order to sinc things up with the gnomes tendency to invent things.

Ryno wrote:In that time, they have to learn to "hunt" to survive, and they keep that info when they are saved.

Gnomes, pretty much leech off of the dwarfs for food, as far as I know.

True, they(Gobbies) have had to hunt to survive.

However, whats to say from Blizzard having a sect of gnomes who managed to escape Gnomeregan who didn't run straight to the Dwarves? A group who've managed to befriend animals and become hunters in their own right?

As Rhyela said, it would be pretty easy for Blizzard to add some sort of lore for Gnome Hunters. They've certainly Retconed alot of other lore, so whats to stop them from doing it this time?


@Sphax: I knew I read that somewhere here, didn't know exactly where. I shall give you some credit my friend! ^-^

And I'm very glad that I'm not the only one who feels for the gnomes!

Sorry but, while I'll buy alot of things from Blizzard; Orc mages, Worgen Deathknights, Gnome Deathknights, Gnome hunters, are one thing I would not buy. Even with their +eng skill meaning epic twinks 1111122212!

Ahem.

At anyrate- Gnomes are just NOT suited for it, they're to caught up in their tinkering, in their own little world. They'd rather live in a hole in the ground [Gnomer], they'd rather build their own mounts than tame their own. Even claiming the creatures- if you can call them that, are superior to living beasts.

Gnomes afaik don't really seem the kind to ever want to dirty their hands in the way that hunters do. They don't want to learn the way of the land, they don't really try and be one with nature, the closest they have to ranger/hunter is a ranger/rogue- but ranger/rogues fit them more than ranger/hunter because they are small, stealthy little buggers who like to stab people in the back.

Sorry but even if Blizz retconned Gnome Hunters- it'd not make sense. Even if they could build their own pets- how fair would that be to existing hunters? That'd cause the biggest amount of QQ and hating than the tears that Agalon has eaten since his debut.

Now, I understood the past reasoning behind it "Oh, Gnomes are too SMALL to be Hunters." "Oh, Gnomes are too Technological to be Hunters" "Oh, Gnomes ...." etc etc.

But, we have the aforementioned BOLD race. The Goblins.

Now, where in any aspect are Goblins that much different from Gnomes?

I'm going to point out; Goblins were originally enslaved by Trolls- the goblins were also, ditched on an island, struggling to survive. Goblins, also, love to blow themselves up. As in, kamikazi.

Gnomes do not- Goblins =/= Gnomes. Goblins are less mechanically inclined as to EXPLOSIVEly inclined. Big difference there too.

And as you said, Gnomes ARE to tech driven to be hunters.

So no, no gnome hunters.

Besides- not every race can have a paladin. Not every race can have a warlock. Not every race can have a mage. Or a rogue. Or a druid.

Edit:

i totally aggree here AND as another thread i started

Alliance Does have one less class/race than the horde

Alliance also have 3 races that can be paladin- Horde still only has one at the moment, and even when we get cows, there will still be an outnumber via that. So again not really a good argument for gnome hunters, I'm sorry.

Ryai wrote:Gnomes afaik don't really seem the kind to ever want to dirty their hands in the way that hunters do.

The Gnomes we KNOW of, don't seem to. It doesn't mean there aren't other gnomes in the world that don't. (Ie: How Dwarf Shamans are only apart of that one clan. Maybe there's a clan of Sand Gnomes or something that practices hunting.)

Ryai wrote:Alliance also have 3 races that can be paladin- Horde still only has one at the moment, and even when we get cows, there will still be an outnumber via that. So again not really a good argument for gnome hunters, I'm sorry.

So you're comparing Horde Paladins... to Alliance Paladins... Okay. Then lets compare Alliance shamans to Horde Shamans. (Since Paladins are the Ally equivalent to Shamans to the Horde)

Alliance:
Draenei
Dwarves(Come Cata)

Horde:
Orc
Tauren
Troll
Goblins*(Come Cata) [Edit: Forgot to put these little buggers]

Hmmm... seems a bit like the Paladin situation does it not?


BUT! this Thread isn't about Paladins or Shamans. Its about Gnome Hunters.

To some it wouldn't make sense, but to some, Draenei didn't make sense. Blood Elves in the Horde didn't make sense. Deathknights being anything but Humans didn't make sense. Etc Etc.

The point being; Even though it doesn't necessarily make sense right off the bat, doesn't mean people won't get used to it, and not see much wrong with it in the end.

Nia wrote:

Ryai wrote:Gnomes afaik don't really seem the kind to ever want to dirty their hands in the way that hunters do.

The Gnomes we KNOW of, don't seem to. It doesn't mean there aren't other gnomes in the world that don't. (Ie: How Dwarf Shamans are only apart of that one clan. Maybe there's a clan of Sand Gnomes or something that practices hunting.)

Ryai wrote:Alliance also have 3 races that can be paladin- Horde still only has one at the moment, and even when we get cows, there will still be an outnumber via that. So again not really a good argument for gnome hunters, I'm sorry.

So you're comparing Horde Paladins... to Alliance Paladins... Okay. Then lets compare Alliance shamans to Horde Shamans. (Since Paladins are the Ally equivalent to Shamans to the Horde)

Alliance:
Draenei
Dwarves(Come Cata)

Horde:
Orc
Tauren
Troll

Hmmm... seems a bit like the Paladin situation does it not?


BUT! this Thread isn't about Paladins or Shamans. Its about Gnome Hunters.

To some it wouldn't make sense, but to some, Draenei didn't make sense. Blood Elves in the Horde didn't make sense. Deathknights being anything but Humans didn't make sense. Etc Etc.

The point being; Even though it doesn't necessarily make sense right off the bat, doesn't mean people won't get used to it, and not see much wrong with it in the end.

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i always loved gnomes my main is a rogue gnome this would make me ALL too happy

The Gnomes we KNOW of, don't seem to. It doesn't mean there aren't other gnomes in the world that don't. (Ie: How Dwarf Shamans are only apart of that one clan. Maybe there's a clan of Sand Gnomes or something that practices hunting.)

Wildhammer already existed- if I'm listing off the correct clan/whatever. They're also already allied to the Alliance [alot like the Revantusk trolls are allied to the Horde], most other gnome groups are either wild and savage [IE leper gnomes really] or well are mechanical.

I'm not saying there isn't a possibility, I am just saying that it is highly, highly unlikely because of the fact HOW GNOMES ARE. I'm sorry but that's just how it is.

So you're comparing Horde Paladins... to Alliance Paladins... Okay. Then lets compare Alliance shamans to Horde Shamans. (Since Paladins are the Ally equivalent to Shamans to the Horde)

Actually no I was quoting/responding to a guy that mentioned paladins to begin with.

Hmmm... seems a bit like the Paladin situation does it not?

Yes? And your point is? That you kinda missed mine- not every race is going to have every class available to them and SOME classes are going to be out numbered more than others, by available races for said classes. it's no different than gnomes not getting hunters- because Orcs can't roll priests. But they live with Trolls who can- yet the orcs are just fine with that because they have shamanistic ways, and embrace them more than the trolls embrace shamanism AND priestly hood.

Just because gnomes live with Dorfs doesn't mean they should have picked something up.

To some it wouldn't make sense, but to some, Draenei didn't make sense. Blood Elves in the Horde didn't make sense. Deathknights being anything but Humans didn't make sense. Etc Etc.

Actually no- Belves already would have fit in with the horde. As i've tried to explain to a few people, they were basically left stranded and abandond by lore- a dying race. And the 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' sort of deal. That and the fact it was most likely Sylvanas who turned and pulled her people from deaths door. Do you really think they'd tell off the woman who died for them? They may have ego problems but they aren't that bad. But again this isn't really the thread for it or the DK discussion.

The point being; Even though it doesn't necessarily make sense right off the bat, doesn't mean people won't get used to it, and not see much wrong with it in the end.

That's not the point, the point is the fact that Gnomes just are not cut out to be hunters. They ARE smaller than goblins, they are more technology driven. They don't really care about anything if it's not tech, and if they do it still isn't towards anything living.

I'm not trying to bash you or anything but my point is, not every class is available to every race- sure I want a blood elf druid. Is it gonna happen? No. I wouldn't mind a Tauren mage- again, will it happen? No. Or a tauren rogue, again, probably not. And there is more lore for a Tauren Mage than a gnome hunter [IE the Loltotems ie Grimtotems, some of them are mages, not shammies.]

So again, tl;dr, my point is Not every race can have every class available to them

Ryai wrote: Actually no I was quoting/responding to a guy that mentioned paladins to begin with.
Yes? And your point is? That you kinda missed mine-

Well, he actually didn't mention Pallies, so, no. I didn't really miss your point. You brought Paladins into a conversation that didn't really involve them. At all.

Ryai wrote:Just because gnomes live with Dorfs doesn't mean they should have picked something up.

Actually, that makes it a very likely possibility. Since that's how Worgen's are getting to be Druids and Goblin's are getting to be Shamans. [Edit:] PLUS, thats how Draenei learned to be Shamans and Hunters, they learned them during their time on Draenor from the Orcs.

Ryai wrote:Actually no- Belves already would have fit in with the horde. (...More stuff about Blood Elf/Horde Lore...)

I know. I was just SAYING, that people are first, were raging over the Cutesy Blood Elves being in the Horde since they have don't have a whole lot of lore placing them there over the High Elves in the Alliance. I personally think they fit with the horde, my point there was that people didn't like it at first, it confused them, it sparked arguments much like this.

ryai wrote:That's not the point, the point is the fact that Gnomes just are not cut out to be hunters.

In your opinion yes. There are some (like myself) that think, well, not all Gnomes must think the same, so there must be some that stray from the mold of their society to learn something different.

And since Gnomes are by far the most Technologically and Intellectually advanced, whats to say that they wouldn't, after conquering technology, want to try and conquer the natures of the world?

Ryai wrote:not every class is available to every race-...So again, tl;dr, my point is Not every race can have every class available to them

Yes, this I understand. But EVERY OTHER race can be a Hunter. That seems a little odd. The only other example of this we have ever had (that got changed) was Warriors and Blood Elves. And that seemed to get changed now didn't it?

Now there are more examples that haven't gotten changed. Such as you mentioned Tauren Mages and Orc Priests, but honestly. I'd say those are both plausible as well. But both would be adding even more class/race combos to the Horde.

But the key thing Blizzard has been leaning towards recently is Balance.

And there is an IMBALANCE in the number of classes and races for each faction. That is off by 1. (The Horde having one more)

Yes, argue that one isn't that big of a number. But its not balance.

Unless you want to give the Spacegoats Warlocks, I'd say the only way to get more balance is to give Gnomes Hunters.

It would only be fair. And a Gnome hunter is a lot more plausible than a Tauren Paladin! Besides, there is that one gnome in Sholazar that kinda sets a precident. Now, he's not a hunter by any stretch, but it seems like the dwarves are rubbing off on him. He likes live stuff better than gadgets. Perhaps he has like minded friends.

A gnome would rather build a pet than tame one. =)

Regarding the discussion about non-archetypal Gnomes and the potential to become Hunters, the WoW player characters are the norm, they are the ones which fit convention. It is the NPCs that are the atypical bunch, as evidenced from races being classes not available to them in-game, to cross-faction communication and clearly being non-dependent on gear and such to earn their fame. Yes, the PCs are heroes, walking above the common folk, but they are representatives of their race, culture, history and lore. The NPCs are the oddballs with unexpected professions, classes and drives.

Gnomes have not conquered technology, not by a long shot. Certainly discoveries made in WOTLK have shown them there are limitless technological boundaries to push. If anything, the Gnomes are delving further into their culture (see the advent of Gnome Priests) rather than expanding the boundaries of that culture.

I appreciate that some people want Gnome Hunters, but try looking at the larger picture and not bending the argument to fit your desire. I want Troll Warlocks so badly, I think it`d make sense and could argue for it, but I also know the lore isn`t going to support it.

But if you argue that closeness to the wild is what makes a hunter, look at the belves. Their hunters are actually rangers. Rangers don't have pets. They stand far back and shoot arrows. Gnomish riflemen are remarkably similar. The same arguments Blizz used for belf hunters could be used for gnome hunters.

And all the other arguments have already been stated, so... Yah...
*Sits down, and waves gnomeregan flag around.*

It seems you have forgotten one very important thing...

S A N D G N O M E S!

They exist!!!!

AWOOOOOOGA!

They like the *pewpew*.

Ok I could explain and explain and explain till I am blue in the face but evidently I'm not going to be listened to :/


TLDR: Gnomes don't care about anything but machines. If they did accept in some long lost gnome civilization that had GIVEN UP TECH TO THE POINT to be able to be hunters... they would be shunned as much, if not more than leper gnomes. Because it's probably equivalent to a DK here Gnomewise.



TLDR again: Not every race can have every class available to PLAY.