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Post-MoP sadness

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 6:39 pm
by Qraljar
Warning: This is all subjective. This is in no way factual and it's merely my sadness at the state of hunters in MoP.


Okay, I'll be honest and straightforward. First of all, I think hunters are very lackluster in MoP. Especially in the first tier. The PvP armor is 'so-so' to me. The challenge armor is nice, but reminds me of WoTLK gear upgraded, and tier 14 is just outright bland to me. (in comparison to tiers like death knight t14)

But since we're in the 'pet discussion' section, I'll tap into the pet family "keg".( ;) )

I loved the usual "old beast, new family" they have as a trend with new expansions and now in MoP in the shape of Fen Striders and Basilisks.

I like Water Striders too. Especially the critter version has its charms and hell, even some Quilen have their own appeal; even if I downrighted hated them back when they had their cat skeleton.

But none of it manages to.. you know? Drive me - call out to me. I like roleplaying, I might join a raiding guild soon and I don't care too much about PvP.

But partially, the RP-part of me loves the visual appeal of the new pets every new expansion and every expansion, there has been at least one new pet out of all of them -- while they were not all impressive -- to my taste.

As many here know, this expansion; I was hoping it would be Kunchong. I love silithid colossi very much, but Kunchong are just ten thousand times better in every aspect. I set myself up for disappointment by thinking "Well, they share a model and family type with already tameable animals and they make sense as beasts. I'm sure Blizzard will make them tameable before the end of the beta.".

But the above wasn't the only underwhelming part. It's just that no pet gives that "oomf" value, while there was so much potential. Exceptional potential, actually. But we end up with things like goats, silkworms and porcupines.

Don't get me wrong. I appreciate that all of you love those pets, and I even inadvertently started liking goats more and more, but I was hoping for Mushan, Yaks and Kunchong to join. It would've been easy, (I would imagine, I can't say that for sure.).

But yeah, I really think Blizzard could have offered us much more in the sense of pet families and models, and it would have made me rush to 90 if I could tame two of the above three animals. Now, I'm just leaving my hunter stabled until I find something to get excited over in a hunter perspective.

Of course, it's unfair to only mention negative things, so I'd like to say that I love the new rare hunting system; even if the tracks are still backwards. (lols :lol: )

I also really adore the new tiger models, even if I'm not a cat lover.

And of course, as mentioned before, I like the water and -fenstriders.

Re: Post-MoP sadness

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 6:43 pm
by Blaix
I haven't done my share of forum searching but I did see some MoP spirit-y beast-y looking animals and am holding out hope that the day will come when they are welcomed in to this game because none of the new MoP pets really strike my fancy either :/

Re: Post-MoP sadness

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:30 pm
by Lisaara
While I don't feel the same, one thing you have to remember is they were revamping ALL classes for MoP. They had way more than just hunters to worry about, especially with monks coming into play. 5.1 we're expecting spirit beasts. Honestly I think it's a little too early to call any sort of judgement since the expansion just came out a week ago.

Re: Post-MoP sadness

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:35 pm
by Qraljar
Jessibelle wrote:While I don't feel the same, one thing you have to remember is they were revamping ALL classes for MoP. They had way more than just hunters to worry about, especially with monks coming into play. 5.1 we're expecting spirit beasts. Honestly I think it's a little too early to call any sort of judgement since the expansion just came out a week ago.
You're very right. But if you look at warlocks, hunters just pale in comparison. Then again, those are just vanity and aesthetic upgrades, and not everyone is fan of that.

And well, we can expect spirit beasts and probably something like the Firelands spiders too in MoP. But I doubt they'll make things like Mushan tameable anymore. I could be wrong, but this is by looking at the general pattern.

Re: Post-MoP sadness

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:54 pm
by Lisaara
Warlocks got the biggest revamp but if you compare hunters and warlocks as a whole? Warlocks didn't get any love for a long time. We got spirit beasts, challenge tames, now tracking tailored to us and us alone. Warlocks haven't had much love until MoP, really. Warlocks have been begging for new pets since BC.

Ah we once said that about hydras....but we're seeing they're leaning towards hydras someday. :3 Never give up hope!

Re: Post-MoP sadness

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:13 pm
by Blaix
Though I hear good things coming in the future, I feel the same way I do whenever I'm camping a rare...

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BUT I WANT IT NOW! lol

Re: Post-MoP sadness

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:17 pm
by Kalliope
Blaix wrote:Though I hear good things coming in the future, I feel the same way I do whenever I'm camping a rare...

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BUT I WANT IT NOW! lol
FTFY. ;)

Re: Post-MoP sadness

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:41 pm
by Blaix
haha ty ty

Re: Post-MoP sadness

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 9:11 pm
by Loki
The goats are sweet, and quilen are cool, but I kinda feel the same. I can see why mushan didn't make it in (kodo/clefthoof precedent unfortunately) but I was surprised not to see the mantid tanks and the beavers and very surprised not to see the yaks as a family, or the rams make it into the goat family. I hope very much that in 5.1, when we get spirit beasts, they add the three "god" animal models from MoP as the spirit beasts (tiger, crane and yak) and also add a tamable yak family, however unlikely that may be. The goats are a step in allowing us that "style" of animal so fingers crossed (even though I've always said the closest precedent to yaks is rhinos which are tamable). As for the kuchong, maybe they'll be eventually become tameable, but I guess that Blizzard is trying to push that mantid are more intelligent than the silithid and therefore can't be tamed. They could make it into in a future expansion/patch with the sandreavers.

Re: Post-MoP sadness

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 9:16 pm
by Wain
I'd love to see all those big things as well, mushan and yaks especially. Both have a real sense of personality to them in the way they look and move. Goats, to me, seem somewhat inscrutable. As do real goats, so I think they captured that.

As for kunchong, I would have loved to have seen them. But now I know their back story I'm glad they weren't available right away. They are a key and treasured part of mantid culture. There's Klaxxi quests about raising one. It would be awesome if one day you could learn the trick of taming them from the Klaxxi. Say, get your rep to a certain level and you can get the secret of taming them as a hunter item from their quartermaster.

Re: Post-MoP sadness

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 9:19 pm
by Wain
Loki wrote:I can see why mushan didn't make it in (kodo/clefthoof precedent unfortunately)
I'm not sure there's any precedent there. They just haven't been selected for taming (yet?). Nobody has ruled them out as potential families as far as I know. Clefthooves especially since their model is almost the same as rhinos.

Re: Post-MoP sadness

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 9:21 pm
by Loki
Wain wrote:
Loki wrote:I can see why mushan didn't make it in (kodo/clefthoof precedent unfortunately)
I'm not sure there's any precedent there. They just haven't been selected for taming (yet?). Nobody has ruled them out as potential families as far as I know. Clefthooves especially since their model is almost the same as rhinos.
Yeah, I agree that we may get them someday, but it makes little sense to give us the mushan and not the others, and it seems the waterstriders and basilisks were this expansion's allotted "old world" tames. I hope that eventually they will all be added into one family but then I'm also of the mindset that hunters should be able to tame 99% of the mobs in-game with the "Beast" subtype.

Re: Post-MoP sadness

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 9:26 pm
by Pent
I went into MoP not liking or even wanting any new MoP rare... then I ended up with Savage, Stompy, and Chibi. (Will probably get Glimmer and Patarrancecahaeeachnananarre too)

I love the whole feel of the new areas and I really like the expansion as a whole... but... I think leveling from 85 to 90 on my hunter is killing my wanting need to actually level another character from 85 to 90 again (I have six others sitting at 85). I really don't mind questing, but this is the first expansion that I have felt that actual questing feels like a grind... and boring... and I really don't want to jump into a dungeon queue because I have other things in my life better to do than have to wait and be THERE when the queue pops... or when everyone is ready.

Maybe with everything that has happened to me in the past year and a half and I am getting a little more cautious on how I spend my time... or maybe I am just bored?

It takes 27 million exp. to go from level 89 to 90... with each quest giving about 150k-220k each... it doesn't seem that bad until you do a whole sub-zone full of quests and your XP bar has only filled up 3-4 bubbles... maybe rested XP has made me weak.

Re: Post-MoP sadness

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:09 pm
by Sesamee
Wain wrote:Goats, to me, seem somewhat inscrutable. As do real goats, so I think they captured that.
I feel the same about the WoW goats. I used to think that about real goats until I visited the Louisville zoo some years ago and the guy in charge of the goats in the petting zoo area had them trained like dogs. They sat, kneeled, came when called, spoke on command....just like dogs. It was amazing. That gave me a whole new outlook on goats. I was a little disappointed that I didn't click with the ones in WoW on Beta. They just seem so, idk, vacant and stiff to me.

Re: Post-MoP sadness

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:17 pm
by Lisaara
Wain wrote:I'd love to see all those big things as well, mushan and yaks especially. Both have a real sense of personality to them in the way they look and move. Goats, to me, seem somewhat inscrutable. As do real goats, so I think they captured that.

As for kunchong, I would have loved to have seen them. But now I know their back story I'm glad they weren't available right away. They are a key and treasured part of mantid culture. There's Klaxxi quests about raising one. It would be awesome if one day you could learn the trick of taming them from the Klaxxi. Say, get your rep to a certain level and you can get the secret of taming them as a hunter item from their quartermaster.
Ooh! I like that idea with the kunchong!

Re: Post-MoP sadness

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:07 pm
by Wain
Sesamee wrote:
Wain wrote:Goats, to me, seem somewhat inscrutable. As do real goats, so I think they captured that.
I feel the same about the WoW goats. I used to think that about real goats until I visited the Louisville zoo some years ago and the guy in charge of the goats in the petting zoo area had them trained like dogs. They sat, kneeled, came when called, spoke on command....just like dogs. It was amazing. That gave me a whole new outlook on goats. I was a little disappointed that I didn't click with the ones in WoW on Beta. They just seem so, idk, vacant and stiff to me.
Oh yeah, it's just their look. Goats have this alien kind of look on their face that is hard to read. It's almost a shame the in-game ones didn't have the creepy eyes as well :)

Re: Post-MoP sadness

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:45 pm
by Blaix
Wain wrote:
Sesamee wrote:
Wain wrote:Goats, to me, seem somewhat inscrutable. As do real goats, so I think they captured that.
I feel the same about the WoW goats. I used to think that about real goats until I visited the Louisville zoo some years ago and the guy in charge of the goats in the petting zoo area had them trained like dogs. They sat, kneeled, came when called, spoke on command....just like dogs. It was amazing. That gave me a whole new outlook on goats. I was a little disappointed that I didn't click with the ones in WoW on Beta. They just seem so, idk, vacant and stiff to me.
Oh yeah, it's just their look. Goats have this alien kind of look on their face that is hard to read. It's almost a shame the in-game ones didn't have the creepy eyes as well :)
It's because goats have rectangular pupils.

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Re: Post-MoP sadness

Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:58 am
by Danielfboone
I don't like the Goats, Porcupines, Caterpillars, or Water Striders very much but I love the Cranes and the new Tigers. The Dragon Turtles are pretty nice too, especially Bloodtooth. I don't think we need things like Mushan or Yaks which are essentially mount type creatures and the Mushan would be way too big. To me having those would be like having Elekks or Talbuks which are great for mounts but not as pets. The only Yak I would like to see is a Spirit Yak and I hope it winds up being one of the new Spirit Beasts but not too ghostly looking.

I also don't want a big bug so I don't care about the Kunchong.

Re: Post-MoP sadness

Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 2:48 am
by Wain
Yaks were actually tameable by accident in the beta and their size was probably a bit smaller than a rhino. They certainly weren't as massive as you might expect. And they were pretty endearing. I was surprised.

Re: Post-MoP sadness

Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:34 am
by Sesamee
I think a spirit Yak would be awesome but if we get that I don't see why we couldn't tame the rest of them.