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It's hard to calculate really. I use the spreadsheet at FemaleDwarf, and to be honest, the point where it's better is really fuzzy.

What I'm doing is just putting Arp in my BiS or near-BiS gear that I won't likely be able to upgrade soon, and not worrying about it. The dps gain is minimal near the cross-over, so don't worry about it.

Also remember that the raid buffs don't buff Arp, while they can increase your Agi, that's why you are seeing Arp as a downgrade with raid buffs. You need a sizeable amount to overcome that crossover.

Arpen is overrated by far. On Female Dwarf it always shows a very slight dps gain but nothing much at all. I found that agility was a better dps gain as it gave attack power and crit rating. So when u gem for Arpen your loosing attack power and a bunch of crit rating.

AdamSavage wrote:Arpen is overrated by far. On Female Dwarf it always shows a very slight dps gain but nothing much at all. I found that agility was a better dps gain as it gave attack power and crit rating. So when u gem for Arpen your loosing attack power and a bunch of crit rating.

Yeah, I have even been thinking about going back to a pure Agi setup until I have enough passive Arp from gear to really push it over the top. (and gemming Agi gives the chance to play with a SV spec).

I am not worried about ArP that much especially considering it will be gone in Cata. Though I wonder what they'll do with all the gear/gems/chants that have ArP one them.

As stated quite frequently, ArPen scales exponentially, that is, the more you have of it, the more each point is worth. If you only gem a little bit for ArPen, you won't get a lot of gain, but the more you gem the stat the more each point helps the next. So mixing ArPen and Agility will not help you, it's best to pick one and go all out.

Don't rely on the NES proc for reaching your ArPen cap as the proc is too unreliable. For ArPen to really function properly it needs to be a static amount. For example, that ArPen proc isn't going to help you much if your next shot is Arcane Shot, and you want a stable ArPen so your Auto Shots are always taking advantage of the stat.

I know BM can go for a full ArPen build much earlier than Marksmanship, but I'm not entirely certain what the parameters are, but something tells me that once you have around 400 static ArPen you could consider going full ArPen gemming. But I would research that before making a costly change. Remember too that ArPen does not transfer to your pet unlike AP.

To address the losses in going from AGI to ArPen, it takes about 14 AP points to equal 1 DPS, so there's no appreciable DPS loss there, and you'd lose roughly 1% Crit which isn't huge if you're getting a comprehensive gain from the ArPen.

As for what ArPen is being converted to in Cataclysm, I believe it's changing to Haste and/or Crit so your ArPen gems will convert to something useful if you decide to gem it now. Personally, I'm still stacking AGI on my Hunter and I don't think I'll bother making the change. I've decided to pretty much stick with 10 man raiding so my ArPen is not likely to reach the point where I'd get appreciable gain for transitioning from AGI to ArPen.

Oh, Rawr is not a very reliable source for assessing your builds. You're best to use a combination of either Shandara's spreadsheet or Zeherah's on-line sheet at femaledwarf.com and Simcraft.

I wouldn't worry about it till you have about 50% crit.