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New talents - rotten talents or rotten tooltips?
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 1:58 pm
by The Insect Man
Hmm. Having been massively underwhelmed by the new talents, I do wonder...
look: a lot of those talents that used to go to 5 now go to 3 or 4 - but while you'[d expect the top talent level to be the same in both cases, what I see is that the level matches the old 3 or 4 point level. Examples:
Bestial Discipline - was 5 points to 30%, now 4 points to 24%
Frenzy - was 5 points to 5% now 3 points to 3%
Efficiency - was 5 points to 10 focus, now 3 points to 6
so... are our talents just worse than they were before, or is it that Blizz haven't updated the tooltips properly?
Anyone seen anything on this?
Re: New talents - rotten talents or rotten tooltips?
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 2:08 pm
by Anansi
I think the talents are not properly configured yet. Blizzard have also stated that early tier talents will not be big expenses, yet Improved Tracking is still 5 points on tier 1.
But another thing to keep in mind is that our gear is getting a lot more oomph on it with more itemization points. We're looking at level 78 green items that rival or exceed 25 man ICC gear. So we may take a bit of a hit in talent strength but gear will compensate. Maybe; that's what it seems like right now. But I do think the talents are not yet done nor anywhere close to being so.
Re: New talents - rotten talents or rotten tooltips?
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 2:19 pm
by The Insect Man
that level 78 item won't help the poor level 40 hunter whose pet Frenzy sucks
Unless we get it free with the spec, like Intimidation.
Re: New talents - rotten talents or rotten tooltips?
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 2:43 pm
by Anansi
I am concerned about what will happen to all classes, 80 or otherwise, once the new talent system is introduced. Because it has been pared down, no additional talents added, and with a talent gain every other level, everyone is going to see some loss of what could be considered core talents. Even at 80, we're going to lose talents in order to maintain our top end spec ability.
Basically, with no new additions, everyone is going to have subtractions and only at 85 will the balance be restored.
Re: New talents - rotten talents or rotten tooltips?
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 2:45 pm
by Rhyela
Anansi wrote:....and only at 85 will the balance be restored.
As long as it's not left up to M. Night Shyamalan. (Sorry, I just thought of that horrible movie with that sentence)
Re: New talents - rotten talents or rotten tooltips?
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 2:55 pm
by Ryai
Rhyela wrote:Anansi wrote:....and only at 85 will the balance be restored.
As long as it's not left up to M. Night Shyamalan. (Sorry, I just thought of that horrible movie with that sentence)
Actually I doubt he could make it any worse than it is now.
I quite enjoyed the Village movie he did tho.
Re: New talents - rotten talents or rotten tooltips?
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 2:56 pm
by Saturo
The Sixth Sense...
Re: New talents - rotten talents or rotten tooltips?
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:00 pm
by Ryai
Saturo wrote:The Sixth Sense...
Is still better than this mess. <_<
...
I thought he made Unbreakable, not Sixth Sense.
Re: New talents - rotten talents or rotten tooltips?
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:01 pm
by Saturo
Wikipedia wrote:The Sixth Sense
Directed by: M. Night Shyamalan
Re: New talents - rotten talents or rotten tooltips?
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:02 pm
by Vephriel
The Sixth Sense, Unbreakable, The Village....all were by him. And there's a trend of his movies getting progressively worse it seems. x)
Re: New talents - rotten talents or rotten tooltips?
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:04 pm
by Ryai
Saturo wrote:Wikipedia wrote:The Sixth Sense
Directed by: M. Night Shyamalan
I never watch the credeeets.
@ Veph: Atleast I can say one thing about his movies. I'd still watch them over a lot of the remakes hitting screens now. Or the gore horrors. Urk.
Re: New talents - rotten talents or rotten tooltips?
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:08 pm
by Saturo
Ryai wrote:@ Veph: Atleast I can say one thing about his movies. I'd still watch them over a lot of the remakes hitting screens now. Or the gore horrors. Urk.
Don't get me started on gore horror.
Re: New talents - rotten talents or rotten tooltips?
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:15 pm
by Mania
... So! About those tooltips!
The Insect Man wrote:look: a lot of those talents that used to go to 5 now go to 3 or 4 - but while you'[d expect the top talent level to be the same in both cases, what I see is that the level matches the old 3 or 4 point level.
That's an excellent point! Even if they have the talents laid out where they want them -- and shoot, even if the effects are where they want them -- it's quite likely that the tooltips are lagging behind.
Re: New talents - rotten talents or rotten tooltips?
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:35 pm
by Palladiamorsdeus
I have my doubt's about that. Blizzard has stated that there are only a few classes whose talent tree's aren't pretty solid right now. Hunters were firmly on the 'solid' list.
Believe me though, I am really, REALLY hoping that this is a tool tip screw up.
Re: New talents - rotten talents or rotten tooltips?
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:46 pm
by Tahlian
Well, we've got a Twitter session coming up...someone ask them! We've got all these concerns and a chance for those concerns to be voiced straight to the devs. Let's do our best to make those questions "attractive" enough to them to answer during the Twitter chat. At least a few of them, anyway.
Re: New talents - rotten talents or rotten tooltips?
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:47 pm
by Moonlost
Palladiamorsdeus wrote:I have my doubt's about that. Blizzard has stated that there are only a few classes whose talent tree's aren't pretty solid right now. Hunters were firmly on the 'solid' list.
Believe me though, I am really, REALLY hoping that this is a tool tip screw up.
Even if these talents are what they intended, it's still early days. I imagine we'll see a lot more revisions to come before Cata comes out.
Re: New talents - rotten talents or rotten tooltips?
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:51 pm
by Palladiamorsdeus
That's my hope, Moonlost. Right now, it's a train wreck.
Re: New talents - rotten talents or rotten tooltips?
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:39 pm
by Mania
I feel like it's becoming a bit of a catch-phrase for me, but ready for testing doesn't quite mean done.
I suspect that that's the case here.
Re: New talents - rotten talents or rotten tooltips?
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:44 pm
by Kalliope
Mania wrote:I feel like it's becoming a bit of a catch-phrase for me, but ready for testing doesn't quite mean done.
I suspect that that's the case here.
Agreed.
Just because the TALENTS are solid, that doesn't mean that the TOOLTIPS are.
They'll catch up.
Re: New talents - rotten talents or rotten tooltips?
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:10 pm
by Ryai
Kalliope wrote:Mania wrote:I feel like it's becoming a bit of a catch-phrase for me, but ready for testing doesn't quite mean done.
I suspect that that's the case here.
Agreed.
Just because the TALENTS are solid, that doesn't mean that the TOOLTIPS are.
They'll catch up.
This unfortunately may not be the case :/ mean everything else is basically the same, I'm doubting they're going to fix a 3 point talent to give 1/3/5 or something like that.
Why did they remove the speed boost from Kindred Spirits anyways.