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Now voice acted. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jIGIJtKCh4

lol, great.

I have to say, that entire scene has made Laz go from simply being uncomfortable with the Undead, to being outright afraid of them. I think that development has made the Forsaken a serious threat to everyone, imo.

There are a LOT of things in Cata that are either upsetting, worrisome, or tragic. I hope there will end up being a positive resolution to things, because Azeroth after the Cata has very few positive things going on anymore, it seems. It's kind of sad.

I added quotes to the title of the topic so it was clear that you were quoting dialog from in-game rather than making a ... err ... statement.

I'm not scared of the Forsaken as there are Forsaken in the argent crusade and they for the most part are decent.

What I am scared and disgusted by? Sylvanas. You would think she'd have learned her lesson. Learned what her blind rage and hatred had gifted her when Varithmas abused, used and stoked her rage and hatred into a blind rage to prevent her from seeing what he was doing behind her back.


If I was on an RP server, my blood elf Yasindra would basically tell Sylvanas off, say she's no longer anything worth following or supporting, throw down the banner she proudly carries for the Forsaken, as she is loyal to them second to Silvermoon, understandably. And just walk out.


And Yasindra would really question going to the Tauren or Trolls for a 'second home'.

Oh no! I agree with Garrosh on something! ...feel so dirty...

And well you should! have you seen what Garrosh says to Vol'jin?! Some days I am disgusted to be an orc.

Mania wrote:And well you should! have you seen what Garrosh says to Vol'jin?! Some days I am disgusted to be an orc.

Don't be Mania- Any female orc toon anyone has has more balls than Garrosh does.



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that sounds so wrong tho.

Oh no! I agree with Garrosh on something! ...feel so dirty...

^^^

Ok maybie im missing the lore problem...but they are undead....everytime you rolled a baby undead I thought you were brought back to life like this. Why now are people freeking out?

Previously the Forsaken started off as people who were infected and reanimated as evil undead (Scourge) by the Lich King. At some point they managed to break free of his hold and regain their free will - and became Forsaken.

But the Lich King is no longer raising Scourge, so there will (theoretically) be no more Scourge to break free and become new Forsaken. Thus, no more new Forsaken.

Raising new undead, even if they are not enslaved, is an evil act - because they are not given a choice while alive as to whether or not to be raised. Sylvanas sees it as a necessary evil to keep her people alive. (Err .. well, undead. You know what I mean.)

Others see it as completely, unjustifiably evil. Period.

Note: Some of my lore is probably shaky.

Mania wrote:Previously the Forsaken started off as people who were infected and reanimated as evil undead (Scourge) by the Lich King. At some point they managed to break free of his hold and regain their free will - and became Forsaken.

But the Lich King is no longer raising Scourge, so there will (theoretically) be no more Scourge to break free and become new Forsaken. Thus, no more new Forsaken.

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Yha that was my other question. Im pretty sure it wont affect much but i gotta ask. Since she said the lich king is dead does that mean you cant make DK anymore or run ICC?

You'll still be able to make Death Knights and run ICC. Blizzard isn't going to remove major features and content like that. I heard something about them pretending that Northrend content is slightly in the past compared to the Cataclysm stuff, but I don't actually know how they are going to arrange that.

I do remember them explicitly stating that Death Knights and ICC are staying, though. I wish I had a link for you ...

Mania wrote:Previously the Forsaken started off as people who were infected and reanimated as evil undead (Scourge) by the Lich King. At some point they managed to break free of his hold and regain their free will - and became Forsaken.

But the Lich King is no longer raising Scourge, so there will (theoretically) be no more Scourge to break free and become new Forsaken. Thus, no more new Forsaken.

Raising new undead, even if they are not enslaved, is an evil act - because they are not given a choice while alive as to whether or not to be raised. Sylvanas sees it as a necessary evil to keep her people alive. (Err .. well, undead. You know what I mean.)

Others see it as completely, unjustifiably evil. Period.

Note: Some of my lore is probably shaky. ;)

Yeah she better not do it while my warlock is around. Zeldei hates zombies. Zeldei hates zombies as much as he hates the burning legion, which is ironic since he's a warlock of all things. But that's besides the point.

So I think I'll have to keep Zeldei away from Undercity now, I mean it was hard enough to force myself to do the quest Chromie gives you in Dragonblight as if it was possible Zeldei would have attacked himself when the duplicates were all Lulz ur armor sux mate.

Which would be kinda bad you know, murderering yourself is frowned upon and all that.

Mania wrote:Previously the Forsaken started off as people who were infected and reanimated as evil undead (Scourge) by the Lich King. At some point they managed to break free of his hold and regain their free will - and became Forsaken.

That is only partially correct.
Just go and make a new forsaken toon. You will see that you come ot of a tomb and the first one to welcome you is Mordo, the undertaker.
As I understand this, people will still catch the curse and come back from the grave.
Or do I misinterpret the forsaken start?

First, Garrosh messes with Vol'Jin.
Rumors say, he'll kill Cairne and install his son Baine as Chieftain of all Tauren.
Now he steps on Sylvanas toes.

I wonder when he will piss off the blood elves too...

No, seriously, where is Blizzard taking the horde?
What are their plans?
This almost looks like the horde will break apart.
Quo vadis, Horde?

As I played horde from the very beginning, Blizzard better has some surprising story twist up their sleeves that makes all this suffering worth it!

Karathyriel wrote:

Mania wrote:Previously the Forsaken started off as people who were infected and reanimated as evil undead (Scourge) by the Lich King. At some point they managed to break free of his hold and regain their free will - and became Forsaken.

That is only partially correct.
Just go and make a new forsaken toon. You will see that you come ot of a tomb and the first one to welcome you is Mordo, the undertaker.
As I understand this, people will still catch the curse and come back from the grave.
Or do I misinterpret the forsaken start?

That's exactly the same feeling I got when I first started my Forsaken characters. I was in a crypt and I was told something along the lines of "About time you got up". I just figured that the "original" Forsaken were the servants of the Lich King and that somehow their proximity to where my character was buried (or something they did) rose him from the dead as a new Forsaken. I never considered my characters as Ex-Lich King minions, especially after starting a Death Knight and specifically having my character run into someone he knew in "life" (Undead Death Knight, lol) and never having my character run into someone similar. It felt like after my character was dead and revived he became a different person from who he was in life because he wasn't the same as the original Forsaken and the Death Knights who remembered their families and such.

I think that's one of the main reasons I don't have an issue with what Sylvanas is doing. That's how I always pictured my Forsaken characters being "born" to begin with.

Mania wrote:I added quotes to the title of the topic so it was clear that you were quoting dialog from in-game rather than making a ... err ... statement.

Didn't think about that, sorry.

Mania wrote:And well you should! have you seen what Garrosh says to Vol'jin?! Some days I am disgusted to be an orc.

Agreed. I actually had a little fantasy going where Cerah challenges Garrosh to a duel in order to secure her half-Troll's daughter's rightful place in Orgrimmar, and she ends up being the "seat-warmer Warchief" while trying to get Thrall back. Not that I'd ever write something so blatently Mary Sue-ish, but it's kind of fun to think about.

Mania wrote:Previously the Forsaken started off as people who were infected and reanimated as evil undead (Scourge) by the Lich King. At some point they managed to break free of his hold and regain their free will - and became Forsaken.

But the Lich King is no longer raising Scourge, so there will (theoretically) be no more Scourge to break free and become new Forsaken. Thus, no more new Forsaken.

Raising new undead, even if they are not enslaved, is an evil act - because they are not given a choice while alive as to whether or not to be raised. Sylvanas sees it as a necessary evil to keep her people alive. (Err .. well, undead. You know what I mean.)

Others see it as completely, unjustifiably evil. Period.

Note: Some of my lore is probably shaky.

I don't really think that Sylvanas is trying to be evil here. She does have a legitimate, logical point -- her people need some sort of way to replenish their numbers or they will die out and that would be bad not only for the Forsaken, but for the Horde as a whole. I even agree with the tools she's using -- why not employ "out of work" Val'kyr? However, what I do have a problem with is who she is choosing to be her new Forsaken.

Just raising a bunch of dead, human (and maybe Worgen) soldiers to be basically cannon fodder is wrong, and potentially dangerous. The "original" Forsaken are loyal to Sylvanus because she saved them from a much worse fate than just undeath -- an existance as mindless slaves to the Lich King. She gave them back their free wills. These new Forsaken, however, presumably died fighting against her forces. If they have the same mental capacities as the original Forsaken, they're going to see Sylvanus not as their savior, but as their enslaver, not allowing them to die for the Alliance and rest in peace. This could be very dangerous not only to Sylvanus personally, but to the Horde as a whole. If they don't have the same free wills as the rest of the Forsaken, then sadly, Garrosh is right: what she's doing is no better than the Lich King.

What I think would be a far better solution would be for Sylvanus to use the Val'kyr to raise willing volunteers from the Horde to be new Forsaken. I'm sure that many Orcs, Trolls and Blood Elves would probably jump at the chance to continue fighting the Alliance, even after they fall in battle. Tauren would probably not go for this. The point is, however, that new Forsaken would then be willing and loyal soldiers of the Horde, instead of a problem waiting to explode in Sylvanus' face.

I was always under the impressiong that Sylvanus already *had* necromancers working for her, however. Maybe the Val'kyr are just more efficient.

I went all horde a long~ time ago and I was thinking of switching wolf over because me other level 80 is a DK blood elf. But now...I don't know but it certainly is interesting. I shall go all horde and experience everything because so far the horde is seeming far more interesting than the alliance unless Varian is about to snap and anger all the alliance guys to. But needless to say this is making the horde different and I would like to watch as they are all about to split up only for Saurfang or Thrall to run in and save the day, but what if that is what happens? You are sent to Nagrand and find an old orc who you speek to and later realize it was Saurfang, him and Garrosh are going to fight but it is split up by Thrall? Something has to happen because if Saurfang found out the Horde was splitting up under Garrosh's rule he would pounce in and blame Garrosh [not that it isn't his fault].

As I played horde from the very beginning, Blizzard better has some surprising story twist up their sleeves that makes all this suffering worth it!

Don't forget Saurfang threatened to kill Garrosh too
So lets see, people who want to kill/see Garrosh dead:
* Saurfang
* Vol'jin <3
* Sylvanas
* Wrynn
* 75% of the Horde population.

Things aren't looking good for Hellscream Jr. ;P

As far as Bliz having something up their sleeves for Garrosh, I'm nearly 100% certain that they do. My thoughts are in the course of the new expansion one of two things is going to happen:
Garrosh is going to turn evil/do something infinitely stupid and get removed by either Thrall or Saurfang/die (my hopes are riding on this one lol)
Or Something will happen to drastically change Garrosh's attitude. Immediately following he will ride in on a white horse, banner held high and save the day. People will like him now. yay /sarcasm

I'm personally hoping that the personality change isn't in store as they are going to have to pull of a masterful piece of story telling to make that believable.

Renle wrote:Or Something will happen to drastically change Garrosh's attitude.

It just jumped into my mind...

With all the bad guys coming back from death in Cataclysm (there was a thread here were people complained about it), I just have a very bad feeling that Grom Hellscream comes back from the dead as well to tell his son off. I mean, why not? Isn't shamanism (and orcs are shamans in the first place, right?) all about talking to the spirits and ancestors? It's not so absurd as it sounds at first, is it?
I mean, even King Terenas showed up as a ghost to welcome his sons spirit in the afterlife, didn't he?

I so wish that I am wrong...

If I had a choice right now, I'd like to see Garosh killed in a duel with Vol'Jin who takes over as warchief but I'm pretty sure the orcs won't accept anyone as warchief that is not an orc. So who could be the one?

• Garrosh comes to his senses
• Thrall returns
• Saurfang takes over

Anyone I forgot?