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Yes after pulling off many tanks, much dieing and lvling new pets, I have completed(maybe) my research on Cunning Vs. Ferocity (even with Recount slightly off). I used a Serpent and a Raptor for this study because they both have the same Sunder Armor skill. I found that the Raptor peaks at about 18-20k (give or take a few 100) and evens out at about 12k-14k. The Serpent on the other hand did on average 16-18k peak and evened out at about 13k-15k(not much more tho). In supper short dungeon boss fights (when I'm fully buffed (kings or paw+might) and have my Core Hound, I can get to 35k, pet BL rocks )

The reason I believe the Cunning is out DPSing the Ferocity is this; Owl's Focus and Feeding Frenzy. Owl's Focus: Your pet has a [15%/30%] chance after using an ability that the next ability will cost no Focus if used within 8 sec. Feeding Frenzy: Your pet does [8%/16%] additional damage to targets with less than 35% health. Now Owl's Focus may not seem really that big a deal but when u take in consideration that ALL basic attacks do the same DMG the more basic attacks ur pet can do before their focus runs out and needs to recharge, although the Ferocity does more DMG at the start because of Call of the Wild, thus they peak high for the 1st 20sec of the fight. The other big thing is Feeding Frenzy, because recount show only the tail end of the fight and because for the majority of the fight both pets were doing about the same (Ferocity a bit more), Feeding Frenzy seems to be the tie breaker.
Cobra Reflexes plus Owl's Focus maybe why Cunning can stay with Ferocity mid fight.

Mind u I did all this using all my skills, in an overly geared orc huntress, in BM, and DBW has 3 different procs. I did this several times on test dummies and randoms, only got to go into a raid once , and was careful to wait for my skills and internal procs to come off cool down. I did this in both dungeons and on test dummies. I think because they evened out all the pets basic skills (Bite, Claw, Smack), the talent skills are what made the difference. Cobra Reflexes, Dash/Dive Spiked Collar, Boar's Speed, Wild Hunt, and Culling The Herd are all on both specs. So discounting those we have Cornered, Feeding Frenzy, Wolverine Bite, and Owl's Focus in Cunning. And in Ferocity we have Spider's Bite, Call of the Wild, Shark Attack, and Rabid. (The skills listed are the only ones I put points in for DPS). I shall now start doing longer test dummy fights, to see if longer fights make a big difference.

If anyone else can try this too I'd love u forever if u could share ur findings as well.

This is very interesting. I've always wondered about the Cunning pets and their Feeding Frenzy capabilities. Hmm... I may have to dig out the silithid and try this out with some fun.


Yanno, if Blizz ever gets charac copying working 9.9

I would try it with 2 pets with the same buff/debuff skill, I found that the only way to really compare the 2 specs

Edit: Sorry for the wall of text

I've mentioned this elsewhere, but another thing to consider is the interaction between Owl's Focus and the new Wild Hunt - with additional free attacks beyond those provided to all pets by Sic 'Em, Cunning pets are going to spend more time above 50 focus, thus seeing more of a damage increase from Wild Hunt.

We won't know for sure how this will play out until Blizz actually start doing proper damage balance passes, but there is a definite chance that Ferocity and Cunning will end up quite competitive with each other from a DPS point of view.

I forgot about the new skills we got, I just popped everything in the same order every time. Thanks for this I'll have to look at DBM and see how much those skills make a difference.

Nimizar

DBM = Deadly Boss Mods? Now I'm really confused. o.o;

Sorry I fixed it, Recount is what I meant. DBM is working just fine, but Omen is off. I keep pulling like out of no where with no warning

Was gonna say DBM doesnt show meters. XD

From the looks of it, Blizzard is making pets have their strengths and weaknesses yet overall are equal in damage output if used right.

Awesome.

Deadlock loves the sun, yaknow. She's missed it.

Whos Deadlock

My wind serpent. <3 She's very dear to me.

Deadlock

I've been tempted to get a wind serpent someday. x3

Yeah...I go back to wailing caverns a lot and Eyes of The Beast her around...so she can go visit old friends. I'll miss doing that.

How are Tenacity pets doing DPS-wise?

This is good news, and it would be nice if Cunning pets could remain competitive, rather than being consigned to the tip. I do wonder if some of the extra DPS isn't coming from Wolverine Bite because of the pet's partaking of hunter crit, as well?

@Ellaran: I'm guessing not go great. It's impossible to build a purely-DPS build with one...

This is great news - cunning pets should be useful for more than PVP

Hmmmm weird that Cunning pets are doing "more" DpS than Ferocity pets. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/threa ... 0&pageNo=1 "Pet scaling is getting a massive overhaul at the moment. For starters, we still intend for pets to scale with all of the master's stats for things like hit, haste and crit. For the big stats, our current plan is something like this:
Ferocity (damage) -- 50% of master's AP, 40% health, 50% armor
Tenacity (tanking) -- 35% of master's AP, 50% health, 70% armor
Cunning (utility) -- 40% of master's AP, 40% health, 60% armor"

The most recent numbers I saw for scaling are as follows:

Ferocity Pet Scaling

42.5% of hunter attack power
67% of hunter stamina
50% of hunter armor
100% of hunter haste
100% of hunter hit

Cunning Pet Scaling

42.5% of hunter attack power
72.5% of hunter stamina
60% of hunter armor
100% of hunter haste
100% of hunter hit

Tenacity Pet Scaling

42.5% of hunter attack power
78% of hunter stamina
70% of hunter armor
100% of hunter haste
100% of hunter hit