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Live, PTR, or Beta? since Beta has more changes to shot damage and coefficients. Also, which pet? Yes, there are still differences with the pets. I'm seeing a dps increase with cats that the spreadsheet is showing as well.Worba wrote:Did some additional DPS testing with my BE in BM spec; her burst DPS was very good, but once she settled in for the long haul she finally ended up about 10% lower than she'd gotten with MM spec. Not sure how I feel about that, since I never used BM for anything besides solo'ing...
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Of course cats and spirit beasts are going to give a big advantage when you're solo: the agility buff is extremely helpful in terms of pure dps.Slickrock wrote:Live, PTR, or Beta? since Beta has more changes to shot damage and coefficients. Also, which pet? Yes, there are still differences with the pets. I'm seeing a dps increase with cats that the spreadsheet is showing as well.Worba wrote:Did some additional DPS testing with my BE in BM spec; her burst DPS was very good, but once she settled in for the long haul she finally ended up about 10% lower than she'd gotten with MM spec. Not sure how I feel about that, since I never used BM for anything besides solo'ing...
It's not so much that there are differences between pets as it is that "Horn of Winter is an EXTREMELY good hunter buff."
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True, true. Was curious about the testing, since pets still do matter.Kalliope wrote:Of course cats and spirit beasts are going to give a big advantage when you're solo: the agility buff is extremely helpful in terms of pure dps.Slickrock wrote:Live, PTR, or Beta? since Beta has more changes to shot damage and coefficients. Also, which pet? Yes, there are still differences with the pets. I'm seeing a dps increase with cats that the spreadsheet is showing as well.Worba wrote:Did some additional DPS testing with my BE in BM spec; her burst DPS was very good, but once she settled in for the long haul she finally ended up about 10% lower than she'd gotten with MM spec. Not sure how I feel about that, since I never used BM for anything besides solo'ing...
It's not so much that there are differences between pets as it is that "Horn of Winter is an EXTREMELY good hunter buff."
And after you go past the Horn of Winter buff, some of our other buffs that the pets bring really don't benefit us that much, so that's a consideration as well.
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Well, that's the point. Some pet buffs are not there for us. (Rhinos, I'm looking at you, with your bleed increase in a tree that has no bleeds.) The increased spell damage taken debuff isn't really going to benefit hunters who are soloing; even survival hunters aren't going to see a big increase in solo dps. Those pet buffs/debuffs are there for our raid, not for hunter min-maxing soloing pleasure.Slickrock wrote:True, true. Was curious about the testing, since pets still do matter.Kalliope wrote:Of course cats and spirit beasts are going to give a big advantage when you're solo: the agility buff is extremely helpful in terms of pure dps.Slickrock wrote:Live, PTR, or Beta? since Beta has more changes to shot damage and coefficients. Also, which pet? Yes, there are still differences with the pets. I'm seeing a dps increase with cats that the spreadsheet is showing as well.
It's not so much that there are differences between pets as it is that "Horn of Winter is an EXTREMELY good hunter buff."
And after you go past the Horn of Winter buff, some of our other buffs that the pets bring really don't benefit us that much, so that's a consideration as well.
My point is that if you walk over to a dummy with only self buffs, you SHOULD expect to see a difference in dps based on which ONE buff you have with you. It's testing in a vacuum.
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LiveSlickrock wrote:Live, PTR, or Beta? since Beta has more changes to shot damage and coefficients. Also, which pet? Yes, there are still differences with the pets. I'm seeing a dps increase with cats that the spreadsheet is showing as well.Worba wrote:Did some additional DPS testing with my BE in BM spec; her burst DPS was very good, but once she settled in for the long haul she finally ended up about 10% lower than she'd gotten with MM spec. Not sure how I feel about that, since I never used BM for anything besides solo'ing...
MM / wolf
BM / spirit beast.
Still fiddling with pet talents so that may be a factor but at the moment spirit beasts seem to get the best results (on target dummies, so take that for what it's worth - I totally get that target dummy results are by no means 100% representative of actual performance).
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Not sure yet how mastery fits in with SV spec.
On a kinda similar note, my fury warrior hasn't reforged any pts into mastery, and her DPS is very good... which seems to be confirmed in the online buzz, that haste/crit>mastery for fury warriors...
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And as always, what sort of rotation are you using for BM? Also, as Slick and I had discussed earlier, spirit beasts and cats should perform best on dummies, simply because they're the pets that give the biggest agility buff for solo buffing.
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Both nelfs used the same prioritizations
Serp > KC > arc/steady (according to focus level)
Incidentally after some more research I went ahead and redid some of the reforges (re- re- re- argh) on my MM hunter Khitsune away from mastery > haste > crit and into haste > mastery > crit (e.g. ensure every slot has haste, one way or the other) and this time was finally able to get my 3.3 DPS on the target dummies.
Obviously, that's with careful aim being up 24/7 and all the other fairyland aspects of target dummy DPS, but still promising; will try and run another heroic as soon as I can.
EDIT: Ok I see what you're saying - as far as being better optimized before the reforging... don't think so, as I've always been careful to keep it as close to hit cap as possible - my toons' hit % is usually somewhere in the 5.0-5.4 range (as you may guess, I do not currently raid)?
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I'm guessing that you're testing on the non-boss heroic dummies due to being short on hit? Cause potential misses would make a huge difference in your numbers too.
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I probably could have been clearer about what they both were reforging out of.Kalliope wrote:Well, it was just the idea that if one toon was reforging out of hit and one was reforging out of crit, the one who had had the excess hit should theoretically be losing "less" in the way of dps than the one who lost crit, assuming that both are still hit capped.
I'm guessing that you're testing on the non-boss heroic dummies due to being short on hit? Cause potential misses would make a huge difference in your numbers too.
Yes I am testing on non-boss target dummies, but is 5% "short" outside of raids?
Also my DPS testing is very sloppy - when I talk about "dungeon DPS" what I really mean is, "this is about where recount stood throughout". Why? Because meaningless as trash dps is, I've found (for the most part) that the darn bosses tend to move/interrupt/otherwise interfere with your rotations to the point where their numbers become equally meaningless.
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5% works on random level 80 trash, but anything higher than that, you'll see misses. 5% is the PvP hit cap, 8% is for PvE - and yes, that's outside of raids too. Anything above your level is going to require higher hit to actually hit.Worba wrote:I probably could have been clearer about what they both were reforging out of.Kalliope wrote:Well, it was just the idea that if one toon was reforging out of hit and one was reforging out of crit, the one who had had the excess hit should theoretically be losing "less" in the way of dps than the one who lost crit, assuming that both are still hit capped.
I'm guessing that you're testing on the non-boss heroic dummies due to being short on hit? Cause potential misses would make a huge difference in your numbers too.
Yes I am testing on non-boss target dummies, but is 5% "short" outside of raids?
Also my DPS testing is very sloppy - when I talk about "dungeon DPS" what I really mean is, "this is about where recount stood throughout". Why? Because meaningless as trash dps is, I've found (for the most part) that the darn bosses tend to move/interrupt/otherwise interfere with your rotations to the point where their numbers become equally meaningless.
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This sounds familiar actually - didn't they bump miss chance up by 1% in 4.0? Or am I misremembering?
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