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I love Blizzard for their obvious nod to hunters by making this gray item the only drop that tameable rares have to offer, and none of them give an achievement. However, I have one other suggestion that would better our chances, a change that, in my opinion, makes perfect sense.

Crystalline Tear of Loyalty
Item Level 1
"The desire to serve as a loyal companion, coalesced into a single priceless crystal."
No sell price

In the description itself it calls the item priceless, but then goes on to give it a vend value of GOLD....more than enough incentive for someone to pick a rare off at one spawn point as a hunter flies hopefully over another.

Please, Blizzard. Make it unsellable. Don't reward griefers with gold, and let all the questers in high-traffic spawn points maybe ignore the rare longer than a few minutes.

( I tried to find another topic similar to this and found none, so if I've unwittingly parroted, feel free to do the necessary modly stuff. )

While I like the idea of a no sell price on the item, I don't think it will fly.

Those rare spawns are not put there just for hunters. We're not the only class out there and we shouldn't think that way. Blizzard has been really kind in giving us the tear in the first place.

But if I am on my druid and Madexx starts beating the crap out of me while I am questing in the area-I'll fight back if I can't get away from him. And there are plenty of others who would do so. Add to it the fact that not everybody knows that the rare spawn in question is tamable for hunters. Other classes just might see it as a fun challenge to kill, or be uninformed and think it might drop something nice as they have been taught from other rares.

I'm tired and rambling ow I think... but either way, while it would be neat, I doubt it would happen.

Ijomi wrote:I love Blizzard for their obvious nod to hunters by making this gray item the only drop that tameable rares have to offer, and none of them give an achievement. However, I have one other suggestion that would better our chances, a change that, in my opinion, makes perfect sense.

Crystalline Tear of Loyalty
Item Level 1
"The desire to serve as a loyal companion, coalesced into a single priceless crystal."
No sell price

In the description itself it calls the item priceless, but then goes on to give it a vend value of GOLD....more than enough incentive for someone to pick a rare off at one spawn point as a hunter flies hopefully over another.

Please, Blizzard. Make it unsellable. Don't reward griefers with gold, and let all the questers in high-traffic spawn points maybe ignore the rare longer than a few minutes.

( I tried to find another topic similar to this and found none, so if I've unwittingly parroted, feel free to do the necessary modly stuff. )

Blizzard could make it unsellable and make it where it couldn't be discarded, PLUS make it so it slowly drain 1g/hour and people would still kill the rares... because they are rares.

People kill rares for many different reasons... They think they'll get phat lootz, or they think every rare is associated with an achievement, or they want to kill it so no one else will, or they kill it to be jerks.... the list goes on and on...

Blizzard has made it where people see the silver dragon around mobs' portraits and it conveys that the mob is "different" than other mobs and therefore NEEDS to be killed. It is embedded into everyone's skulls and I don't think anyone is going to change that anytime soon.

I love the idea, personally.

If it was attacking you, sure, I'd do it myself. Those rares hit like a truck. :p

And yes, silver-frame elites have conditioned players to KILL KILL KILL....but in time, the players could also be conditioned to what seems to be Blizzard's intention.

Lady La-La = phat lewtz.

That scorpid the hunter was desperately asking about in General despite the trolls = no lewtz at all.

It may not be made specifically FOR us, but Blizzard has made it fairly obvious that is what they intend it for, or else it would be Wrath all over again. If there are still those that want to kill it for the challenge, that is their prerogative, certainly....but at least there would be no additional incentive for people who would otherwise fly by and think "Oh, giant scorpid. Neat. Now where the hell is that mailbox." and move along. Kind of like the Whale Shark.

Ijomi wrote:If it was attacking you, sure, I'd do it myself. Those rares hit like a truck. :p

And yes, silver-frame elites have conditioned players to KILL KILL KILL....but in time, the players could also be conditioned to what seems to be Blizzard's intention.

Lady La-La = phat lewtz.

That scorpid the hunter was desperately asking about in General despite the trolls = no lewtz at all.

It may not be made specifically FOR us, but Blizzard has made it fairly obvious that is what they intend it for, or else it would be Wrath all over again. If there are still those that want to kill it for the challenge, that is their prerogative, certainly....but at least there would be no additional incentive for people who would otherwise fly by and think "Oh, giant scorpid. Neat. Now where the hell is that mailbox." and move along. Kind of like the Whale Shark.

If Blizzard truly wanted every rare mob in the game that dropped the Tear to only be tamed by hunters then they should have made them all have a million health and a skill like Nerf Bat.

At least that way you wouldn't have your common farmer or troll/jerk just sitting there killing the rare in front of you while you are trying to tame it.

I have yet to see roaming groups/raids of people that are grouped out and about looking for rares to kill.

Ijomi wrote:I love Blizzard for their obvious nod to hunters by making this gray item the only drop that tameable rares have to offer, and none of them give an achievement. However, I have one other suggestion that would better our chances, a change that, in my opinion, makes perfect sense.

Crystalline Tear of Loyalty
Item Level 1
"The desire to serve as a loyal companion, coalesced into a single priceless crystal."
No sell price

In the description itself it calls the item priceless, but then goes on to give it a vend value of GOLD....more than enough incentive for someone to pick a rare off at one spawn point as a hunter flies hopefully over another.

Please, Blizzard. Make it unsellable. Don't reward griefers with gold, and let all the questers in high-traffic spawn points maybe ignore the rare longer than a few minutes.

( I tried to find another topic similar to this and found none, so if I've unwittingly parroted, feel free to do the necessary modly stuff. )

I will go you one better - once looted, make it indestructible, untradeable and un-mailable... you want it so bad, you got it. Forever. Eating up one of your bag or bank slots in perpetuity.

Lmao Worba!!! XD

Two of them at least do have a deterrence in their strength: Ghostcrawler, as mentioned, and Terrorpene, who certainly keeps a portion of would-be griefers owned by gear or level. But I'm not asking for the rares to be made that every one of them requires two healers to tame or kill. As you pointed out, they aren't exactly considered challenging enough to most to group up and say "I killed this".

I'm simply suggesting a small change that may make rare tameables less desirable to those that would NOT kill it if it weren't a guaranteed 25 gold....and quite frankly, that's probably a lot of players. If I didn't have the empathy from knowing the hunter class, I'd kill a rare for 25 gold myself.

The description itself calls it priceless. So why turn around and give it a price in gold?

Also: I love you, Worba. XD

Worba wrote:I will go you one better - once looted, make it indestructible, untradeable and un-mailable... you want it so bad, you got it. Forever. Eating up one of your bag or bank slots in perpetuity.

Didn't I just say that?

Pent wrote:Blizzard could make it unsellable and make it where it couldn't be discarded, PLUS make it so it slowly drain 1g/hour and people would still kill the rares... because they are rares.

Pent wrote:Didn't I just say that?

Heh yeah now that I read the whole thread, you did... although I'd originally proposed doing this a while ago (though not the gold drain thing!)

Merlynshade wrote:While I like the idea of a no sell price on the item, I don't think it will fly.

Those rare spawns are not put there just for hunters.

Actually... yes they are. They're in-game just so Hunters can have a unique model for taming. that's why they drop nothing but that tear, have no quests related to them, etc.

Wykea wrote:

Merlynshade wrote:While I like the idea of a no sell price on the item, I don't think it will fly.

Those rare spawns are not put there just for hunters.

Actually... yes they are. They're in-game just so Hunters can have a unique model for taming. that's why they drop nothing but that tear, have no quests related to them, etc.

.... and are worth near on 100k XP? Mmmm, no. They were intended for hunters, but they aren't *just* for hunters.

While I admit I like the idea of making the Tears non-deleteable and non-vendorable, in reality, it's true that those mobs aren't just for hunters, even if they are primarilly for hunters.

The Tear I think actually made the ganking worse. No loot at all would be better.

But you really can't expect someone who has never played a hunter to know which rares are tameable and which aren't. That's unrealistic. The best option would be to make them like GC, where it takes a raid to bring them down.

I have seen multiple postings where a killer downed something, found that tear, and went 'OH GOD! That was supposed to be intended for hunters! Now I feel bad!'. Sure there are a lot of people who will gank them for that sake, but there always *would* be. I find that the tear, though it sadly 'pops up' only after the deed has been done, is a nice flag for people to say 'Aw man. I took hunter loot'.

Kurasu wrote:I have seen multiple postings where a killer downed something, found that tear, and went 'OH GOD! That was supposed to be intended for hunters! Now I feel bad!'. Sure there are a lot of people who will gank them for that sake, but there always *would* be. I find that the tear, though it sadly 'pops up' only after the deed has been done, is a nice flag for people to say 'Aw man. I took hunter loot'.

Probably 50/50, you get some as you describe, but it just feeds the asshats, so it's give and take.

Pent wrote:

Ijomi wrote:If it was attacking you, sure, I'd do it myself. Those rares hit like a truck. :p

And yes, silver-frame elites have conditioned players to KILL KILL KILL....but in time, the players could also be conditioned to what seems to be Blizzard's intention.

Lady La-La = phat lewtz.

That scorpid the hunter was desperately asking about in General despite the trolls = no lewtz at all.

It may not be made specifically FOR us, but Blizzard has made it fairly obvious that is what they intend it for, or else it would be Wrath all over again. If there are still those that want to kill it for the challenge, that is their prerogative, certainly....but at least there would be no additional incentive for people who would otherwise fly by and think "Oh, giant scorpid. Neat. Now where the hell is that mailbox." and move along. Kind of like the Whale Shark.

If Blizzard truly wanted every rare mob in the game that dropped the Tear to only be tamed by hunters then they should have made them all have a million health and a skill like Nerf Bat.

At least that way you wouldn't have your common farmer or troll/jerk just sitting there killing the rare in front of you while you are trying to tame it.

I have yet to see roaming groups/raids of people that are grouped out and about looking for rares to kill.

The aforementioned rares aren't in questing areas and don't provide annoying obstacles to anyone other than the occasional gatherer in the area.
Oh, and many rare world bosses came out with Cata, with the full intention of requiring a raid to kill.

Slickrock wrote:

Kurasu wrote:I have seen multiple postings where a killer downed something, found that tear, and went 'OH GOD! That was supposed to be intended for hunters! Now I feel bad!'. Sure there are a lot of people who will gank them for that sake, but there always *would* be. I find that the tear, though it sadly 'pops up' only after the deed has been done, is a nice flag for people to say 'Aw man. I took hunter loot'.

Probably 50/50, you get some as you describe, but it just feeds the asshats, so it's give and take.

And asshats won't kill tamable rares if they don't drop the Crystallized Tear of Loyalty? I don't worry about them being 'more motivated' to kill tamable rares when they're already motivated enough to kill on sight regardless of anyone trying to tame the beast.
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@OP: Personally, I want to see the sell price on the Tears drop below 1g; mainly because it may actually discourage Azunara from killing tamable rares on my server.

Cialbi wrote:And asshats won't kill tamable rares if they don't drop the Crystallized Tear of Loyalty? I don't worry about them being 'more motivated' to kill tamable rares when they're already motivated enough to kill on sight regardless of anyone trying to tame the beast.

We've had enough reports of the griefers mailing the Tears back to the hunter with "Ha ha" messages to say that yes, it encourages some of them. I've personally seen them linking the Tear in trade and gloating about it.

Slickrock wrote:

Cialbi wrote:And asshats won't kill tamable rares if they don't drop the Crystallized Tear of Loyalty? I don't worry about them being 'more motivated' to kill tamable rares when they're already motivated enough to kill on sight regardless of anyone trying to tame the beast.

We've had enough reports of the griefers mailing the Tears back to the hunter with "Ha ha" messages to say that yes, it encourages some of them. I've personally seen them linking the Tear in trade and gloating about it.

You seriously think that the jerks wouldn't kill tamable rares if they dropped no loot?

Yes, the tears are used by a griefer to make matters worse for others, but the griefer didn't kill the rare for the tear. They kill rares because they know that hunters want to tame them,

Cialbi wrote:

Slickrock wrote:

Cialbi wrote:And asshats won't kill tamable rares if they don't drop the Crystallized Tear of Loyalty? I don't worry about them being 'more motivated' to kill tamable rares when they're already motivated enough to kill on sight regardless of anyone trying to tame the beast.

We've had enough reports of the griefers mailing the Tears back to the hunter with "Ha ha" messages to say that yes, it encourages some of them. I've personally seen them linking the Tear in trade and gloating about it.

You seriously think that the jerks wouldn't kill tamable rares if they dropped no loot?

Yes, the tears are used by a griefer to make matters worse for others, but the griefer didn't kill the rare for the tear. They kill rares because they know that hunters want to tame them,

It might make it less likely, but we'll always get a spectrum of responses...

(I often do wonder if Blizz makes some of these changes as sociology experiments, making changes and seeing how the user base behaves).