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Re: Arcturis 2nd Spawn Point?

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:11 am
by Lisaara
Oooh. Okay. I misunderstood. :)

TLPDResource had mentioned Skoll and said the one by the cave is the same at the one by the rock...like Skoll walks over there but I've always seen him just hide in the trees.

Re: Arcturis 2nd Spawn Point?

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:39 am
by Davarra
Something to consider....Northrend rares have to be in a certain range to cause SilverDragon to hit.

When I was camping Skoll on my Drae hunter, I meandered a bit off course just flying around for herbs between checking spawns and got a hit ducking into Grizz roughly between Thor Modan and Ursoc's. I've confirmed repeatedly it won't hit for me if Arc spawns in the more well known spot, at the range and loc I was at.

Also, to note......soon as that fired off, I hauled arse for the expected spot and saw nothing, spent a good 10 min flying around in case I was just somehow missing him, and asked in zone multiple times. There was no response and no sign he was or had been there.

I'm gonna say I believe the spawn by G'maw is legit based on that...

Re: Arcturis 2nd Spawn Point?

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:23 am
by Royi
Vephriel wrote:It's certainly a strange case.

Some factors seem to lend credence to the theory of a second spawn point. Arcturis was the only Northrend tameable rare to have just a single spawn area, it's odd for him to be the only one. His timer has always seemed incredibly long and random, with some people claiming they've had to wait days until he spawned. Could he have been up at this second point during those long camps and no one knew?

And yet, as others said...how could it go unproven for so long if a second spawn point really did exist? Especially in our community here. With the millions of people that play this game, it's strange that there have been no videos or screenshots of this location. Even if you weren't actively looking for him, as long as you had NPCscan installed (which many people do, even if they aren't hunters), it seems at some point someone would just happen to fly over him there and be alerted.

Semi-related, I've also always been puzzled by the extra Skoll locations shown on the NPC scan overlay, I've never seen or heard of him appearing at those random extra ones.

Hmm... Perhaps Arcturis was "intended" to have 2 spawn points, but somehow his second spawn point is incredibly bugged, and therefore preventing him to spawn there for some reason.

Say:
1st spawn (by Amberlodge) at 12:00
2nd spawn (by other place) at 19:30 but since its bugged, nothing actually spawns
2nd spawn (by other place) at 03:30 but since its bugged, nothing actually spawns
1st spawn (by Amberlodge) at 11:00 (hence why someone who started camping after the first spawn would perhaps say a 24 hour timer...

Just a random theory

Re: Arcturis 2nd Spawn Point?

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:35 am
by Kirrandria
Davarra wrote:Something to consider....Northrend rares have to be in a certain range to cause SilverDragon to hit.

When I was camping Skoll on my Drae hunter, I meandered a bit off course just flying around for herbs between checking spawns and got a hit ducking into Grizz roughly between Thor Modan and Ursoc's. I've confirmed repeatedly it won't hit for me if Arc spawns in the more well known spot, at the range and loc I was at.

Also, to note......soon as that fired off, I hauled arse for the expected spot and saw nothing, spent a good 10 min flying around in case I was just somehow missing him, and asked in zone multiple times. There was no response and no sign he was or had been there.

I'm gonna say I believe the spawn by G'maw is legit based on that...
The way I understand SilverDragon works is that it will cache a mob that you see and then wait to alert you until you enter the appropriate zone. For example, if you had seen another hunter with Krush wandering around in the peaks with you, and then had flown over to Sholazar, SilverDragon would have alerted you ' Hey, Krush is up! ' even though he's really not. It's likely just a bug with SD, but it's happened a few times to my friends, the strangest incident being where one had Broken Tooth cached and the scanner went off the moment they entered the Badlands.... hovering over the mountainous border area, where nothing that low level could possibly spawn ( because how could other low levels get to it? D: ).

Re: Arcturis 2nd Spawn Point?

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:00 pm
by Samskeyti
That's why I use both silverdragon and npcscan together, they complement each other very nicely.

Re: Arcturis 2nd Spawn Point?

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:44 pm
by Lisaara
Davarra wrote:Something to consider....Northrend rares have to be in a certain range to cause SilverDragon to hit.

When I was camping Skoll on my Drae hunter, I meandered a bit off course just flying around for herbs between checking spawns and got a hit ducking into Grizz roughly between Thor Modan and Ursoc's. I've confirmed repeatedly it won't hit for me if Arc spawns in the more well known spot, at the range and loc I was at.

Also, to note......soon as that fired off, I hauled arse for the expected spot and saw nothing, spent a good 10 min flying around in case I was just somehow missing him, and asked in zone multiple times. There was no response and no sign he was or had been there.

I'm gonna say I believe the spawn by G'maw is legit based on that...
I hate to burst the bubble but that was just your cache. It will go off like that and say something is up when really its not. That's the downside of SilverDragon. I've had Gondria go off in Storm Peaks but that doesn't mean she spawns there.

Re: Arcturis 2nd Spawn Point?

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:49 pm
by starkittens
Royi wrote:
Vephriel wrote:It's certainly a strange case.

Some factors seem to lend credence to the theory of a second spawn point. Arcturis was the only Northrend tameable rare to have just a single spawn area, it's odd for him to be the only one. His timer has always seemed incredibly long and random, with some people claiming they've had to wait days until he spawned. Could he have been up at this second point during those long camps and no one knew?

And yet, as others said...how could it go unproven for so long if a second spawn point really did exist? Especially in our community here. With the millions of people that play this game, it's strange that there have been no videos or screenshots of this location. Even if you weren't actively looking for him, as long as you had NPCscan installed (which many people do, even if they aren't hunters), it seems at some point someone would just happen to fly over him there and be alerted.

Semi-related, I've also always been puzzled by the extra Skoll locations shown on the NPC scan overlay, I've never seen or heard of him appearing at those random extra ones.
I agree with your theory, it sounds plausible, and since nobody knows that it's bugged, blizz doesn't know to fix it..maybe, just maybe.
Hmm... Perhaps Arcturis was "intended" to have 2 spawn points, but somehow his second spawn point is incredibly bugged, and therefore preventing him to spawn there for some reason.

Say:
1st spawn (by Amberlodge) at 12:00
2nd spawn (by other place) at 19:30 but since its bugged, nothing actually spawns
2nd spawn (by other place) at 03:30 but since its bugged, nothing actually spawns
1st spawn (by Amberlodge) at 11:00 (hence why someone who started camping after the first spawn would perhaps say a 24 hour timer...

Just a random theory

Re: Arcturis 2nd Spawn Point?

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:59 pm
by Snowwalker
Challenge accepted. I'm going to stalk the aleged second spawn point, see who shows up. For SCIENCE!

Re: Arcturis 2nd Spawn Point?

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:33 pm
by Teigan
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Re: Arcturis 2nd Spawn Point?

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:36 pm
by starkittens
:lol: really now?

Re: Arcturis 2nd Spawn Point?

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:52 pm
by Lisaara
That totally would happen. XD

Re: Arcturis 2nd Spawn Point?

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:58 pm
by starkittens
:lol: if that does, I'm going to find out who, and keep it over their head, for the end of time! :twisted: :twisted:

Re: Arcturis 2nd Spawn Point?

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:56 pm
by Teigan
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Re: Arcturis 2nd Spawn Point?

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:04 pm
by starkittens
Tehe, only if you where a GM. i doubt I would get banned by you, for you wouldn't want a "little rumor" to start up, now would you?

Re: Arcturis 2nd Spawn Point?

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:17 pm
by Teigan
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Re: Arcturis 2nd Spawn Point?

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:31 pm
by starkittens
:twisted: :twisted: I would do it. :twisted: :twisted:

Re: Arcturis 2nd Spawn Point?

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:53 pm
by Syriana
Teigan wrote:*drunken GM in a bear suit spawns*
I don't know about you guys, but I would camp just to see this.

Re: Arcturis 2nd Spawn Point?

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:39 am
by Talaridan
Syriana wrote:
Teigan wrote:*drunken GM in a bear suit spawns*
I don't know about you guys, but I would camp just to see this.
:lol: Same!

Re: Arcturis 2nd Spawn Point?

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:23 pm
by Davarra
I've never seen SilverDragon act quite like what you guys are describing, and I definitely had strayed into Grizz. Cache had been cleared when I got clear of Dalaran so I'd hit for Skoll unless someone was messing with me or I got unlucky.

I've seen NPCScan fuss more about stuff that isn't there than SilverDragon, personally...

You guys could be right, but I'm still not quite ready to write it off, either.

Re: Arcturis 2nd Spawn Point?

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:18 pm
by Vephriel
Silver Dragon almost always goes off for me when crossing the border into another zone. If something's been cached somehow it will just set off the alert as soon as I enter the appropriate area. Sometimes though it even does this on a cleared cache, so it's just...finicky often.