Arcturis 2nd Spawn Point?

[Acherontia]

I know on Ponderance's (of TLPDResource fame) website, his goodbye message mentioned something about "wowhead STILL not having info for the 2nd Arcturis spawn point." And I remember someone pointing it out on here, and the general consensus was that if there was a 2nd, we'd have found it.

I just spotted this comment on WoWhead:

"There are at least two confirmed spots according to Thottbot and a few comments here. One on the cliff southwest of Grizzlemaw at 47.47 and the other at Amberpine by the River at 30.56, which seems to be the popular sighting spot." While the original Thottbot comments/locations are missing (it's since been merged with WoWhead), I've just gone out there and had a look, and it's definitely not a place players would often visit--it's a small cliff nestled against the giant log, overlooking the furbolg battle, just south of the double "z"s in Grizzlemaw.

So, if anyone is out and about looking for Arcturis, can't hurt to check this second spot; maybe there really is another spawn.

[Chimera]

It seems odd tho.. millions of players active in the game, WotLK is what, 3 years old now, and Arcty about 2-2 1/2 years old? A supposed 2nd spawn point for Arcty being tossed around for a long time now, and yet no one has discovered another spawn o.O It could be plausible if he was a recent or a very rare addition to the game but i dont really believe a whole lot of the people that like to proclaim they've seen or done something that is not caused by a glitch or lag without many other backing up the claim.

NPC spawn addons keep the click box of the most recently un-cached rare up until closed or a new rare appears so they might of gone afk while flying, hear the noise, return to the computer, and find themselves in a different area then where it first pinged and think that it just happened. It doesnt hurt for sure to occassionally fly over to that spot when the river spot isnt being camped by others but its iffy to me :/

[Acherontia]

Yup, I totally agree--it's quite unlikely. That said, there are people claiming to have found him in that spot, so it's possible.

The other possibility is that this WAS once a spawn for Arcturis but that, for whatever reason, it was removed.

[Yoruko]

It seems odd tho.. millions of players active in the game, WotLK is what, 3 years old now, and Arcty about 2-2 1/2 years old? A supposed 2nd spawn point for Arcty being tossed around for a long time now, and yet no one has discovered another spawn o.O

I don't think it's completely impossible though. People who "hunt down" rares will often look up spawn points and whatnot on websites such as Wowhead or use the npc scan layout that only shows one spot for the spawn. So maybe some players HAVE seen/killed/tamed Arcturis on the second spot but they were casual players who are leveling and never gave a hoot about finding spawn points or whatever and it didn't cross their minds that maybe they stumbled upon something great?

I mean, I run into old world rares every now and then that I didn't even know existed! I would probably be "oh cool, a rare, get the exp/tame" and go along my merry way.

Maybe the 2nd spawn point could technically have like a 20% chance while the other has the remaining 80%? I pull these numbers out of my hat, but a randomizer like that would greatly favor the known spot while the sightings of the second spot would be few. The traffic in Northrend is probably slowed down very much by the fact that instance-leveling is very efficient with heirlooms and whatnot. Arcturis came in to the expansion pretty late too, I think.

[GormanGhaste]

It would have been discovered already, at the very least by someone with NPC Scan during the Northrend children's week quest chain.

[Acherontia]

It would have been discovered already, at the very least by someone with NPC Scan during the Northrend children's week quest chain.

That's the thing, though--people are claiming they *did* see him here. That's the only thing preventing me from dismissing this outright; that said, obviously they could be lying, or wrong. I really, really wish WoWhead hadn't taken over Thottbot and wiped all the old Thott comments (DAMN YOU CURSE, taking over the intarwebs with your shoddy page coding), so I could actually read said comments and see how accurate they potentially are.

I'll keep an eye on the spot over the next few days, though, myself; only way we'll know for sure is to look, and that's why I've shared the info!

[Chimera]

So maybe some players HAVE seen/killed/tamed Arcturis on the second spot but they were casual players who are leveling and never gave a hoot about finding spawn points or whatever and it didn't cross their minds that maybe they stumbled upon something great?

True, but i do sorta agree with Gorman about the Childrens Week bit, and theres always people grinding Argent Champion rep too still, especially when it was super popular (people flying to the lake out there to kiss frogs for the weapon). To my knowledge Blizz hasnt poked Northrend at all since its final patch before cataclysm's pre-patch. It does suck that Thottbot is technically kinda gone now, i used it as my only site to learn about rares and locations and spawn times and then i started using WoWhead and now Thottbots been mutilated.. thank Malorne i stopped using it before the horrible changes happened, i really dont like Thottbot anymore :/

[Acherontia]

i really dont like Thottbot anymore :/

Yeah, I only made a WoWhead account once Thott was completely screwed over, and my username reeks of defiance, lol--"IMissThottbot" >.>

(By the way, while a discussion about whether it's likely or not is--obviously!--perfectly okay, don't get the idea that I'm trying to start a debate! I'm not on either "side," just checking FOR SCIENCE, & pointing out that if anyone's in the area, a flyby now & then can't hurt )

[Vephriel]

It's certainly a strange case.

Some factors seem to lend credence to the theory of a second spawn point. Arcturis was the only Northrend tameable rare to have just a single spawn area, it's odd for him to be the only one. His timer has always seemed incredibly long and random, with some people claiming they've had to wait days until he spawned. Could he have been up at this second point during those long camps and no one knew?

And yet, as others said...how could it go unproven for so long if a second spawn point really did exist? Especially in our community here. With the millions of people that play this game, it's strange that there have been no videos or screenshots of this location. Even if you weren't actively looking for him, as long as you had NPCscan installed (which many people do, even if they aren't hunters), it seems at some point someone would just happen to fly over him there and be alerted.

Semi-related, I've also always been puzzled by the extra Skoll locations shown on the NPC scan overlay, I've never seen or heard of him appearing at those random extra ones.

[Kalliope]

Semi-related, I've also always been puzzled by the extra Skoll locations shown on the NPC scan overlay, I've never seen or heard of him appearing at those random extra ones.

Agreed!

Unless someone takes a very convincing screenshot of any of those three locations, I'm not buying it.

[Acherontia]

I've seen Skoll at the disc, at Bor's Breath and at the cave entrance, but I think the other locations are bunk.

[Chimera]

he spawns on the lake (well, by some trees.. if your on TLPD's spawn point and looking towards Valkyrion or whatever that place is.. full of val'kyr chicks, theres some trees to the right on the lake itself, he spawns there), also by the trees at the cave entrance just as your entering snowdrift plains from valkyrion or whatever, and at the disc by brunnhildar

[Vephriel]

*nod* Those are the three I know, but there's a couple extra ones that I just don't believe are real.

[Nightsights]

for several weeks while i was working on the northrend rares achieve towards the end of wotlk, i've only ever seen arcturis near the river.

i've seen skoll at the three spots mentioned by others.

[Acherontia]

Yeah, those are the only 3 spots I've seen Skoll at--the "extra" places, under the ice elementals near the disc spawn or by the boulders near the cave spawn, I don't think those are legit, either!

[Yoruko]

I've been doing fly-overs of the speculated spawn point for Arcturis but so far I've always found him up on the known one just above Amberpine.

I'd like to add my observations about the Skoll spawns also. I've seen him at the cliff overlooking Brunhildar, South of Temple of Storms right where the harpies are and often someone camping for TLPD and lastly up north with the cave entrance and the jormungar. Never-ever have I spotted him on those two odd spots between the harpies and the Brunhildar spot. Also early last year, when I first read up on Skoll spawns and locations, most insisted there was only three and it wasn't until later when I installed NPC scan layout that I found there is supposedly two more according to the add-on.

[Lisaara]

I've been doing fly-overs of the speculated spawn point for Arcturis but so far I've always found him up on the known one just above Amberpine.

I'd like to add my observations about the Skoll spawns also. I've seen him at the cliff overlooking Brunhildar, South of Temple of Storms right where the harpies are and often someone camping for TLPD and lastly up north with the cave entrance and the jormungar. Never-ever have I spotted him on those two odd spots between the harpies and the Brunhildar spot. Also early last year, when I first read up on Skoll spawns and locations, most insisted there was only three and it wasn't until later when I installed NPC scan layout that I found there is supposedly two more according to the add-on.

You mean the one by the cave? I've found him at those spots...more than once and rehomed him.

[Kalliope]

Oh yay, Wowhead's map is clean.

http://www.wowhead.com/npc=35189#map

Those are the three locations that do exist.

The two locations that don't exist, but NPCscan thinks they do are to the right of the top pin (near some rocks) and to the left of the rightmost pin (near the elemental cave).

[Lisaara]

Oh yay, Wowhead's map is clean.

http://www.wowhead.com/npc=35189#map

Those are the three locations that do exist.

The two locations that don't exist, but NPCscan thinks they do are to the right of the top pin (near some rocks) and to the left of the rightmost pin (near the elemental cave).

If you mean 27, 50, he DOES exist there. I've tamed him there personally myself and rehomed him from there. He wanders behind some trees.

But you meant the one at the far bottom right on the map, unless thats the disk area(I think thats a bit too far over but I could be wrong) then I've never seen him down that far.

[Kalliope]

Oh yay, Wowhead's map is clean.

http://www.wowhead.com/npc=35189#map

Those are the three locations that do exist.

The two locations that don't exist, but NPCscan thinks they do are to the right of the top pin (near some rocks) and to the left of the rightmost pin (near the elemental cave).

If you mean 27, 50, he DOES exist there. I've tamed him there personally myself and rehomed him from there. He wanders behind some trees.

But you meant the one at the far bottom right on the map, unless thats the disk area(I think thats a bit too far over but I could be wrong) then I've never seen him down that far.

If you mouse over the dots, you'll see that yes, 27,50 is one of the three correct spawn points. (Which is what I said.)

46,65 (the lower right) is the disc, also verified as correct.

The two non-existent spawns are not marked on that map, but I described their locations in relation to the verified coordinates on that map.