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Re: Is it really Albino?

Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 4:51 pm
by Saturo
That snake looks amazing. I WANT ONE!

Re: Is it really Albino?

Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 5:31 pm
by Rhyela
Let's not forget leucism! Leucism, if I remember right, affects all pigments, unlike albinism which only affects the production of melanin. Some forms of leucism are more pronounced than others, so some animals with partial leucism have patches of white. Leucism also exists in reptiles, I have seen some pictures of gorgeous Leucistic Texas Rat Snakes that are solid white with blue eyes. And the white lions are affected by a recessive gene called "chinchilla" (and the chinchilla effect is seen in many animals, not just lions and chinchillas). Some of them end up more yellow than others though.

So if I'm not mistaken, true albino animals only lack melanin and have the red/pink eyes (and red pigment is erythrin, though I'm not sure if that's the same in eye pigment or just skin).

But whatever the case, albino/leucistic/chinchilla animals are really pretty. :D

Re: Is it really Albino?

Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 5:35 pm
by Saturo
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Re: Is it really Albino?

Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 7:13 pm
by Acherontia
Actually I think the lion is just white; his lip pigment's still black, so I doubt it's truly albino. GORGEOUS though :O

The Devilsaur COULD be albino. He is white with pink eyes, and some albino animals have pseudo-markings depending on blood flow. Maybe he just has a lot of blood flow on his belly and would-be marked areas, shading them purple?

Who knows :D

Re: Is it really Albino?

Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 7:14 pm
by Kamalia
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Albino koala! <3

That raven in the second picture you posted, Veph... does he have blue eyes? Albino animals are so lovely... it's really too bad that the only way they could survive is in a zoo. Or a very snowy climate.

Re: Is it really Albino?

Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 8:01 pm
by VelkynKarma
Mmm, I'm learning a lot now about very pretty animals :D

The albino raven is gorgeous btw, Veph :D

~VelkynKarma

Re: Is it really Albino?

Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 8:59 pm
by Sarayana
Whoa, gorgeous pictures in this thread! :)

Side note: Achromia would totally be an awesome name for the white devilsaur. :D

Re: Is it really Albino?

Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 9:29 pm
by Gimlion
One of the main reasons I love Nebraska is my Zoo (Henry-Doorly), the size, the exhibits, and my favorite, our very rare and rather famous Albino Croc (It's the one that Steve Irwin had on camera and was petting during an episode of one of his shows) =D

Re: Is it really Albino?

Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 10:09 pm
by Teigan
I love that zoo! So worth the drive from South Dakota!

Re: Is it really Albino?

Posted: Fri May 28, 2010 12:11 am
by Lazuly
Since the thread's been thoroughly derailed... here's my contribution:

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Albino Great Horned Owl. =)

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Albino Bat

Re: Is it really Albino?

Posted: Fri May 28, 2010 12:13 am
by Ryai
Saturo wrote:Partial albinoism is spots without skincolour, not that the skin is albino, and the eyes normal and such.
Albinos can have purple eyes, my mother saw one with eyes that were purple. Basically it's where the eyes should be blue but the red pigment from the blood is to much, due to the albinoism or something, and subsequently, you achieve purple eyes.

This would ALSO explain the purple stripes. Albino Devilsaurs could actually be 'Albino Black' saurs as they are purple in all the places really, that a black one is blue.

Outside the belly but that's another story.

And ofc it's been explained already that reptiles have different sorts of shades for being an albino,

Edit: I have also seen a partial Albino Grackle- basically a noisy messy bird labled a 'songbird' for Texas. It was a male but instead of being fully glossy blue-black in feathers, it was a mottled white and blue-black.

Re: Is it really Albino?

Posted: Fri May 28, 2010 12:21 am
by Tahlian
Albino alligators really are beautiful. Birmingham played second home to the New Orleans zoo's white 'gator during the cleanup after Katrina. He (I think it was he) was here for several months living in our river otter exhibit while the river otters were off display for safety reasons. It was amazing to get to see him as close as that exhibit let you get on the safe side of the plexiglass.

Re: Is it really Albino?

Posted: Fri May 28, 2010 2:37 am
by zedxrgal
Rhyela wrote:Let's not forget leucism! Leucism, if I remember right, affects all pigments, unlike albinism which only affects the production of melanin. Some forms of leucism are more pronounced than others, so some animals with partial leucism have patches of white. Leucism also exists in reptiles, I have seen some pictures of gorgeous Leucistic Texas Rat Snakes that are solid white with blue eyes. And the white lions are affected by a recessive gene called "chinchilla" (and the chinchilla effect is seen in many animals, not just lions and chinchillas). Some of them end up more yellow than others though.

So if I'm not mistaken, true albino animals only lack melanin and have the red/pink eyes (and red pigment is erythrin, though I'm not sure if that's the same in eye pigment or just skin).

But whatever the case, albino/leucistic/chinchilla animals are really pretty. :D
Ugh. Don't even get me started. When I bred snakes I actually took a few genetics classes along with my herpetology classes so that I could better understand how certain color morphs were obtain. I had a headache after most classes because it's so involving.

The white lions and tigers are a major hot button topic with some exotic keepers /studiers. The reason is they want to call them albinos and they're not. Albino is fully lacking in ANY melanin and the pupil of the eye is deep blood red. ALWAYS!! The iris is also shades of red, pinks, yellowish colors.
Leucism the animal has no color except white and maybe flecks or spots of cream to soft yellow and blue or dark purple pupils with blue - gray iris.
It's heavily believed that the white tigers and lions have the axanthic gene. Normal black pupil, eye color most of the time or blue and silver but the body completely lacks brown, orange and warm types of colors.

Any ways .................................

On topic.
Yes dino is albino

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Re: Is it really Albino?

Posted: Fri May 28, 2010 2:48 am
by cowmuflage
Albinos have pink/red eyes and nearly all ones in the wild die as ablinos can not hide and are prone to skin related illneses they allso stay sunburned if they get it so that sucks hence why most albino animals you see are in zoos etc.

White tigers/lions are not albinos they are normal tigers/lions with a gene that makes them white and so are not a sub group or anything as some people would like to find so. Theres all so a form of serval thast black and only found in a certain area its the same thing a random gene gone amuck.

Re: Is it really Albino?

Posted: Fri May 28, 2010 7:44 am
by tuwek
Pinkie was the only known albino chimpanzee in the world, with one blue and one brown eye.
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see pinkie photo gallery http://helpachimp.com/albums/chimps/pinkie/

the pygmy marmoset("mico pigmeu" in portuguese) is the world's smallest monkey.
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Re: Is it really Albino?

Posted: Fri May 28, 2010 8:15 am
by Tyuriwen
A little off-topic, sorry:

I'm doing Genetics as a module on my university course, and I absolutely love it. <3

The chimpanzee is especially interesting. The heterochromia (i.e two different colour eyes) is seen to be linked in white-furred cats, especially. It's amazing to see the links in an organisms genetic makeup <3

Re: Is it really Albino?

Posted: Fri May 28, 2010 11:56 am
by Rhyela
zedxrgal wrote:It's heavily believed that the white tigers and lions have the axanthic gene. Normal black pupil, eye color most of the time or blue and silver but the body completely lacks brown, orange and warm types of colors.
That sounds likely, but there have also been some "white" lions that were more yellowish or even reddish, which is why some people believe they have the chinchilla (color-inhibiting) recessive gene. Basically it's a gene that forces the pigments to just the tips of the hair shaft, but in varying degrees, which is why some of those white lions and tigers still have some yellow color.

You're right though, it is a hot topic. :D Genetics are so fun!!! I'm far from being an expert though, so I'm just putting up what I've heard and read in the past.

Re: Is it really Albino?

Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 11:38 pm
by Wassa
http://www.messybeast.com/albinism/albino-index.htm

Here is a great website full of pics of albino animals, plus info on other color variations and hybrid animals.

Re: Is it really Albino?

Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 11:49 pm
by Lazuly
If you cross a White Tiger with an orange tiger, you get Cinnamon/Golden Tabby Tigers:

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Which I think look very nice too. =)

Re: Is it really Albino?

Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 11:51 pm
by cowmuflage
Yeah that just proves white tigers are not albinoes and have a gene that makes them white.