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Re: BM beta spec discussion...
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:38 am
by Ryai
I've read up on a thread Aria linked but it might be old, idk I cba to check the date of posts;
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/threa ... No=1&sid=1
Anyways someone claimed that Cobra Shot, for BM would be doing 27% damage, over 10% of Steady and 6% Cobra shot for SV/MM.
Can anyone confirm this?
It still doesn't make it right that MM and SV can use it at all tho
Re: BM beta spec discussion...
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:40 am
by Saturo
Ryai wrote:It still doesn't make it right that MM and SV can use it at all tho
"But the very essence of BM is that you don't have any spells! If they add a BM only spell it wouldn't be BM!"
--- Official forums.
Re: BM beta spec discussion...
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:50 am
by Ryai
Saturo wrote:Ryai wrote:It still doesn't make it right that MM and SV can use it at all tho
"But the very essence of BM is that you don't have any spells! If they add a BM only spell it wouldn't be BM!"
--- Official forums.
I think a part of me just died.
Re: BM beta spec discussion...
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:51 am
by Saturo
Ryai wrote:Saturo wrote:Ryai wrote:It still doesn't make it right that MM and SV can use it at all tho
"But the very essence of BM is that you don't have any spells! If they add a BM only spell it wouldn't be BM!"
--- Official forums.
I think a part of me just died.
Of laughter?
Re: BM beta spec discussion...
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:53 am
by Palladiamorsdeus
I can't find anything on that, Ryai. At least nothing official, and nothing in any of the notes. I'll dig around some more.
Re: BM beta spec discussion...
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:54 am
by Ryai
Saturo wrote:Of laughter?
No from the fact that devs probably aren't joking >_<
Edit: Thanks Palla
Re: BM beta spec discussion...
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:57 am
by Saturo
That wasn't a dev, it was a BM hunter.
Re: BM beta spec discussion...
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:02 am
by Ryai
Saturo wrote:That wasn't a dev, it was a BM hunter.
Wha but wha, wha...
...
*facedesk*
Just.

Re: BM beta spec discussion...
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:05 am
by Palladiamorsdeus
Ryai, I can't find anything definitive on it at the moment. I am seeing it listed as .27 or 27% AP, but I can't tell if that's just for BM, or for all three trees. But if it IS .27 for all three trees, then why would anyone use Steady shot on anything that wasn't immune to nature damage?
Re: BM beta spec discussion...
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:20 am
by Ryai
Palladiamorsdeus wrote:Ryai, I can't find anything definitive on it at the moment. I am seeing it listed as .27 or 27% AP, but I can't tell if that's just for BM, or for all three trees. But if it IS .27 for all three trees, then why would anyone use Steady shot on anything that wasn't immune to nature damage?
Great we got borked/short end of the stick if it is this much and isn't penalized for SV or MM :/
But thanks for looking into it Palla, atleast we still have something to maybe, possibly, kinda look forward to.
Re: BM beta spec discussion...
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:46 pm
by Kalliope
Rawr wrote:From what I've seen of the new hunter talents and skills, MM is going back to where it belongs PvP.
Not really. I expect that it will still be the end game raiding spec, as it has been for the past two expansions. But hey, we'll see.
Re: BM beta spec discussion...
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:00 pm
by Saturo
Kalliope wrote:Rawr wrote:From what I've seen of the new hunter talents and skills, MM is going back to where it belongs PvP.
Not really. I expect that
it will still be the end game raiding spec, as it has been for the past two expansions. But hey, we'll see.
Incorrect.
Re: BM beta spec discussion...
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:05 pm
by Kalliope
Saturo wrote:Kalliope wrote:Rawr wrote:From what I've seen of the new hunter talents and skills, MM is going back to where it belongs PvP.
Not really. I expect that
it will still be the end game raiding spec, as it has been for the past two expansions. But hey, we'll see.
Incorrect.
Mind backing that up? People went marks at the end of BC with Sunwell gear and such, even over BM. Marks is obvious currently.
Re: BM beta spec discussion...
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:09 pm
by Saturo
I was MM trough all of BC, and my career as Hunter in vanilla, and I constantly got shit for it, even during the last stages of BC. It did, however, get slightly better in the end, but it was NOT "THE" spec during any expansion, except for WOTLK.
The difference between specs really only became apparent during WOTLK, they were far more equal in BC.
Re: BM beta spec discussion...
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:11 pm
by Kalliope
I guess your results may vary due to server, since the pro-est of the pro were marks at the end on mine.
Re: BM beta spec discussion...
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:15 pm
by Palladiamorsdeus
Actually Sat, Marksman was the spec of choice for all of Vanilla too. I remember being forbidden from going on raids because I was BM, and refused to respec to MM.
Re: BM beta spec discussion...
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:18 pm
by Saturo
Palladiamorsdeus wrote:Actually Sat, Marksman was the spec of choice for all of Vanilla too. I remember being forbidden from going on raids because I was BM, and refused to respec to MM.
Yeah, I kept hearing people all "Ooh, nice MM spec. Change it." tough, so I suppose it's between different servers.
Re: BM beta spec discussion...
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:11 pm
by Ryai
Good news and bad news BM folks!
Good news, you don't need to be 70 to have exotics!
Bad news, you need to be lv 69!
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?hunter#NDNQgm8G,,12479
*sigh*
Re: BM beta spec discussion...
Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 6:36 am
by Ellaran
Let's just go with the theory that Blizzard hates/has no damned clue about Beast Mastery.
Re: BM beta spec discussion...
Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 8:30 am
by Palladiamorsdeus
It isn't just BM that suffers because of that. A lot of classes have very useful 31/51 point talents that they now won't get until AFTER Outland. That there? That's ain't right. Especially when youconsider that ANY 31/51's at ALL are being handed out at level 10.