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Re: Beware of false "Game master" tells
Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 7:54 am
by Saturo
You cant compare this to someone being raped for dressing daringly. It's more like someone jumping off of a high building and then demanding money from the architect because he lost the use of his legs.
Re: Beware of false "Game master" tells
Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 8:18 am
by Sarayana
Saturo wrote:You cant compare this to someone being raped for dressing daringly. It's more like someone jumping off of a high building and then demanding money from the architect because he lost the use of his legs.
How so? You're blaming the victim. Regardless of whether a person is dumb, careless, or just doesn't
know of a given danger, the perpetrator is the culprit.
Besides, nobody is asking compensation after being hacked. They ask for their account to be restored, yes (and Blizz has a precedent of restoring it, so it's not an unreasonable request), but nobody I've heard of asks for compensation.
Some of the smartest people I know have been victims of crimes where it's easy to stand there as an outsider and say "didn't you see? didn't you realise?" - but the fact remains that crime occurs all the time and the only person we
should blame for it is the criminal. I understand saying "he should be more careful with his belongings/account/safety/whatever" but that's a far cry from saying "he asked for it" or worse, "he deserved it."
Re: Beware of false "Game master" tells
Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 8:40 am
by Schatzy
I'm going to have to agree 100% with Sarayana on this one. No one deserves to have such a thing happen to them, even if it is just a game. Although the consequences are far less severe with World of Warcraft accounts, blaming the victim is still blaming the victim, and sometimes people are caught at their weakest moment.
Re: Beware of false "Game master" tells
Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 8:44 am
by Anyia
Schatzy wrote:sometimes people are caught at their weakest moment.
Agreed.
I also think it's a warlock specialty to pick people's weakest moments. Generally by creating them.
Re: Beware of false "Game master" tells
Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 10:20 am
by Royi
Even thought they had bad english, i went to that website and added my account info in it. Didn't do anything.
Also said I would get 10,000 gold and a Celestial Steed for my troubles... but I still havent recieved anything yet. Maybe if i put my friends account info in they might send him it too.
Re: Beware of false "Game master" tells
Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 10:39 am
by Adam-Savage
Re: Beware of false "Game master" tells
Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 10:51 am
by Worba
Saturo wrote:You cant compare this to someone being assaulted for dressing daringly. It's more like someone jumping off of a high building and then demanding money from the architect because he lost the use of his legs.
Except there's a rather 180-degree-ish difference between asking someone to jump off a building and asking them to go to a website, so that comparison doesn't work either.
No matter how you slice it, blaming the (actively preyed upon) victim shifts the responsibility away from the perp.
Re: Beware of false "Game master" tells
Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:02 am
by Saturo
Except there isn't. There's no real difference between someone saying "Jump off this building and I'll give you money!" and someone saying "Give me your account info and I'll give you money!". It takes responsibility in both cases.
Re: Beware of false "Game master" tells
Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:05 am
by Worba
Really? You equate asking someone to commit suicide with asking them to go to a website?
Re: Beware of false "Game master" tells
Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:06 am
by Saturo
Nope. Because, as I said in the first post where I made the example, the person in question loses their legs, and then nags to the architect of the building.
Re: Beware of false "Game master" tells
Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:13 am
by Karathyriel
Worba wrote:Just hope that going to that site
by itself, doesn't infect your machine with keyloggers, trojans and various other nasty organisms, which is a definite possibility with attack sites (and having an antivirus program isn't 100% protection)...
Until now, nothing happened.
I never got hacked yet, even without a authenticator.
But somehow, if you fall for that and you aren't a noob, you kind of deserve it. No Blizz-icon, no GM. It's that simple, like Saturo said. If I got just 1 € (or $) for each e-mail telling me that my account has been used in something fishy and I have to log in to make sure it isn't banned, I'd stop working instantly.
Those idiots not only send english mails to a german account, no, they also use an e-mail adress I use in forums and stuff, that has nothing to do with my account.
But sometimes, I feel the urge to go to china and punch some faces...
Just for fun...
Re: Beware of false "Game master" tells
Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:14 am
by Worba
Saturo wrote:Nope. Because, as I said in the first post where I made the example, the person in question loses their legs, and then nags to the architect of the building.
To most people, "jumping off a high building" is the same as committing suicide (or at least taking the strong risk of dying).
Re: Beware of false "Game master" tells
Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:19 am
by Saturo
Worba wrote:Saturo wrote:Nope. Because, as I said in the first post where I made the example, the person in question loses their legs, and then nags to the architect of the building.
To most people, "jumping off a high building" is the same as committing suicide (or at least taking the strong risk of dying).
Well, then those people should have read my first post a bit more carefully. I'll clarify.
Blizzard makes game. Scammer tricks Player. Player loses account. Player nags at Blizzard.
Architect designs building. Some Guy tricks Person. Person loses legs. Person nags at Architect.
Re: Beware of false "Game master" tells
Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:20 am
by Worba
No need for clarification; the original post was plainly stated.
Re: Beware of false "Game master" tells
Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:43 am
by Adam-Savage
Worba wrote:Just hope that going to that site
by itself, doesn't infect your machine with keyloggers, trojans and various other nasty organisms, which is a definite possibility with attack sites (and having an antivirus program isn't 100% protection)...
Why would you even think of going to any of there sites to begin with.
Re: Beware of false "Game master" tells
Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:46 am
by Worba
AdamSavage wrote:Worba wrote:Just hope that going to that site
by itself, doesn't infect your machine with keyloggers, trojans and various other nasty organisms, which is a definite possibility with attack sites (and having an antivirus program isn't 100% protection)...
Why would you even think of going to any of there sites to begin with.
I never would - you'd have to ask Karathyriel that?
Re: Beware of false "Game master" tells
Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:55 am
by Saturo
Karathyriel wrote:I always go to these sites and log in.
With my account:
kiss_me@my.ass :D
And the password mostly starts with f... :lol:
Hope someone reads that. :lol:
Re: Beware of false "Game master" tells
Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 12:19 pm
by Adam-Savage
Worba wrote:I never would - you'd have to ask Karathyriel that?
He was being sarcastic......
Re: Beware of false "Game master" tells
Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 12:24 pm
by Vephriel
It's obvious no one's going to agree on the current subject here, so let's drop it before this becomes more hostile.
Re: Beware of false "Game master" tells
Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 12:27 pm
by VelkynKarma
I've gotten these more and more recently. It's almost clever how at first glance the name looks like 'Blizzard,' but that's just first glance. I've long since learned to double-check and reread everything of importance before making any decisions.
Plus as everyone has stated, I've never seen the blizz square before the names, so no worries. It ain't real.
Mostly I just laugh at these now.
~VelkynKarma
