Rants/Raves/Thoughts On 5.2 Tameables

[Snowy]

Rare spawns aren't important to me anymore. I used to want every pet in my stable to be a rare in one way or another, but I think what broke that rule for me was when I tamed Gezzarak the Huntress and fell in love with her. I cleared out my stables countless amounts of times but Cinder would never, ever leave. And there's so many amazing looking skins out there that eventually I thought... What's the point in taming only rares? The only reason for it would be to show off. So now my stable has a mix of rares and common mobs. If I like the look of them, why not tame them?

[Yoruko]

I have to agree with Slickrock on this one, I love the thrill of hunting and camping for a rare. I do it for me and really don't give a dang about what others think of it

And that's fine! I never claimed otherwise. My problem was making an entire pet family exclusively rare and thus limiting player access to game mechanics. (Spirit Beast = heal and/or mastery buff.)

There are plenty of pets in game for non rare seekers to grab, so why come down on and take away from those of us that want to camp?

Because they like the skin? Because they like the model? Because they want to?
(Edit: I probably misunderstood what you meant here. What I'm on about is that everyone has the same right to tame mobs if they want to, regardless if they compete with people who like to camp while they might not.)

[Thwip]

No one is likely to agree with that subject. I personally tame things I -like-, which could go for anyone that likes having a stable full of rare pets. They're unique, they're interesting. That's also not to say that those hunters that tame things simply to be able to say 'Look what I got.' or 'I have a stable of nothing, but rares.' are not simply doing it for the ego boost. It does happen. It happens a LOT. During the first 24hrs of Cata, I found Loque for a friend, a hunter of the opposite side tried to tame it out of my trap. After a few minutes of fighting for aggro, the other hunter killed it out of spite. It then proceeded to pull out Magria with the name 'First' and /lol and /dance on Loque's corpse.

It happens. No one is pointing fingers at anyone here saying that it's the reason anyone wants rare pets, but there ARE those types of hunters. Getting feisty over it isn't going to help either.

Personally, I too also agree that a whole family should not consist of rares. It's already a family that is linked with only one spec. With the way it's also looking lately, long spawning rare pets -may be- a thing of the past. As it stands, we have 9 in that family that are rare. 9 is all we have until 5.2. Making a more common one was bound to happen and it's not going to please everyone.

[Syleye]

Actually there have been a few on here including one on this page who flat out stated that is why rare hunters hunt rares. It is insulting frankly, and I am not complaing about the spirit porquis just the idea in general that blizz is "doing the right thing" by moving away from rares. For those of you who no longer care about whether something is rare or not..good for you, but please stop trying to diminish or take away from us who still do.

[Lisaara]

There's still plenty of rares out there. We just got 150 of them last patch. I think it's good blizz is doing something for the many hunters who don't like the camp.

[Snowy]

There's still plenty of rares out there. We just got 150 of them last patch. I think it's good blizz is doing something for the many hunters who don't like the camp.

Kinda what I was thinking. There's hundreds of rares now and people still can't get enough. >.<

[Slickrock]

Frankly, I'm getting rather pissed off at the notion that anyone who like rare challenges that are actually rare are just in it for the ego boost.

Ah, yes. That's where we probably disagree. Personally I do not consider rare spawns "challenges" as it's pretty much down to luck where-ether you are there when the mob spawns or not or if you manage to get there before someone else tames or kills it. I guess if you have the patience to camp out or keep checking back for something that only spawns once every 20 hours could be considered a personal challenge, but then again you might as well find it the first time you land on the spot. Luck, in other words. I've landed right on top of Loque'nahak four or five times when leveling a new hunter and getting on level to tame him. Challenging? No. Lucky? Yep!

I hardly meant absolutely everyone are seeking rare pets only to show off. I've tamed rare beasts before because I simply liked their skin colour best out of what was available. Regardless, a lot of hunters do consider the "status boost" (be it nonexistent or not) a thing. A lot of hunters have told me "I want the green devilsaur because it's the rarest of them all!" or something similar and that's fine. If it makes you feel better, go for it. Like I said, I'm fine with having such options for pets because it caters to a portion of the player base.

But part of what you want to eliminate is RNG, or luck by another name, which is a huge part of the game, and what about the rare mounts? Should they put TLPD on a vendor in the next patch?

If there is no luck involved, or skill or a combination, then all this is is a fancy collection game, with not a lot going for it.

As I said before regarding the spirit porcs, a short timer on them combined with a less than compelling skin will make me not even consider them, if they were on a tradition timer, if NPCScan went off, I'd swoop down to at least take a look.

And yes, I'm one of those that enjoyed camping pets and mounts, in moderation.

The problem is now that things are too easy, they are taking all the luck out of it, and just making it a grind. Yes, I prefer alt-tabbed camping with NPcScan to collecting 9,999 bones.

[Slickrock]

There's still plenty of rares out there. We just got 150 of them last patch. I think it's good blizz is doing something for the many hunters who don't like the camp.

Kinda what I was thinking. There's hundreds of rares now and people still can't get enough. >.<

But we've never had a "common" spirit beast before. And most of those new rares were not unique skins, which is a whole other argument.

[Yoruko]

Actually there have been a few on here including one on this page who flat out stated that is why rare hunters hunt rares. It is insulting frankly, and I am not complaing about the spirit porquis just the idea in general that blizz is "doing the right thing" by moving away from rares. For those of you who no longer care about whether something is rare or not..good for you, but please stop trying to diminish or take away from us who still do.

The "step to the right direction" I was referring to, is making a pet family (meaning a unique pet family skill, which is a heal and is a pretty strong skill mind you) more readily available that has so far only been accessible through rare spawns. I wouldn't want them to change existing spirit beasts. I never said I did. There are nine spirit beasts already with more or less atrociously long spawn timers, never mind the cross realm zone addition. Is adding a few that are readily available really taking that much away from you? ("Readily available" being a debatable opinion as well as not everyone is cut for the challenge tame, as I have already witnessed on PTR.)

If they want to add rare spawns that have 30 hour timers, that's fine! I'm all for it! If you like it, good for you. Make more options available for different players who prefer to play different content and different style. Quite frankly, the thing I'm trying drive here is more variety is better. Which means, let there be rare spawns but let there also be options to those who prefer something that is readily up for grabs. I thought this was pretty clear, is my wording really that bad?

Like I already mentioned before; I never said that absolutely everyone who hunt rare pets are only in for the ego boost. (I have tamed rares because I thought I'd like the skin but ended up I didn't and let them go? Wouldn't that make me a hypocrite if I insisted that every single one who ever tamed a rare pet is in for the ego pats?) "Sparkly ego" pets was more of a joke throw and towards people such as Thwip mentioned who will proceed to do things like griefing or insulting you if they don't get to tame the beast.

[Thwip]

If that is their experience, then it will be hard to counter the ideal of what they've personally run into. No one is pointing fingers at anyone -personally-, that's what I was trying to say. Most times people say things as a whole rather then towards individuals and there are always going to be those in that group that don't always adhere to that ideal.

"Doing the right thing" by hunters is a subjective outlook. One person may not feel the same as another and it's definitely showing in here. I do feel like it was high time that -this particular family of pets- got a common version and I think that is basically where everyone else is coming from as well, but that is my -opinion-. Having an opinion on how rare pets work doesn't take away from your opinion at all. Everyone has an opinion and most likely a lot of times those opinions are not going to mesh well. Non-rare hunters have their stance. Rare hunters have theirs.

I'd like to keep seeing rare pets, honestly. Nice unique models, but spread out to other families, not just contained within one family for one spec of hunters.

[Slickrock]

Actually there have been a few on here including one on this page who flat out stated that is why rare hunters hunt rares. It is insulting frankly, and I am not complaing about the spirit porquis just the idea in general that blizz is "doing the right thing" by moving away from rares. For those of you who no longer care about whether something is rare or not..good for you, but please stop trying to diminish or take away from us who still do.

The "step to the right direction" I was referring to, is making a pet family (meaning a unique pet family skill, which is a heal and is a pretty strong skill mind you) more readily available that has so far only been accessible through rare spawns. I wouldn't want them to change existing spirit beasts. I never said I did.

If they want to add rare spawns that have 30 hour timers, that's fine! I'm all for it! If you like it, good for you. Make more options available for different players who prefer to play different content and different style. Quite frankly, the thing I'm trying drive here is more variety is better. Which means, let there be rare spawns but let there also be options to those who prefer something that is readily up for grabs. I thought this was pretty clear, is my wording really that bad?

Like I already mentioned before; I never said that absolutely everyone who hunt rare pets are only in for the ego boost. (I have tamed rares because I thought I'd like the skin but ended up I didn't and let them go? Wouldn't that make me a hypocrite if I insisted that every single one who ever tamed a rare pet is in for the ego pats?) "Sparkly ego" pets was more of a joke throw and towards people such as Thwip mentioned who will proceed to do things like griefing or insulting you if they don't get to tame the beast.

Well, as a whole they are moving away from Nothrend style rares anyway.

And yes, griefing can be an issue (certainly saw some trying to get the red arcane serpent), but I don't want to water down the game due to jackasses.

[Slickrock]

I'd like to keep seeing rare pets, honestly. Nice unique models, but spread out to other families, not just contained within one family for one spec of hunters.

No argument there, but I doubt we'll see it for current content for the rest of the expac.

[Yoruko]

The problem is now that things are too easy, they are taking all the luck out of it, and just making it a grind. Yes, I prefer alt-tabbed camping with NPcScan to collecting 9,999 bones.

Isn't that a little contradictory? Sorry if I'm not understanding this right, but you'd rather play the game by... not playing it? I think making a player collect bones (while I hate grinding myself, I give you that) is much harder than making you sit with <AFK> on top of your head while you're tabbed out browsing youtube or whatever. Where-ether it's more pleasant or not depends on the person you ask, but I'd definitely say it's harder to accomplish.

[Syleye]

Yoruko, I know you aren't coming down on us rare hunters but unfortantley there are a few who are. Oh and the comment about well there are hundreds of new rares and people still want more, well the same could be said for the other side, hey there are hundreds of common skins and people still want access to rare skins. I mean really that statement could go both ways. Please understand I think there should be far more common skins than rare, I do not believe that one family should be all rares. I DO believe that there is absolutley nothing wrong with having a few unique rares skins for those of us who enjoy such things.

[Azunara]

There seem to be a surprising number of unique (with a handful of exceptions) tameable rares.

That said, I feel like pets aren't devalued because they went from unique to sharing a skin with another rare, or even a common. Some people have other things they want to do then sit and camp all day. Why deprive them from getting a pet? It's like raiding--if you want to do raids for good gear, that's your decision. But there are many other ways you can get good quality gear--PvP, dailies, rep grinds, and so on.

[GormanGhaste]

The problem is now that things are too easy, they are taking all the luck out of it, and just making it a grind. Yes, I prefer alt-tabbed camping with NPcScan to collecting 9,999 bones.

I'm not sure I understand this. How is having an add-on do all the work harder than collecting bones? It's not even playing the game...

[Syleye]

Why do people insist on bashing on other peoples play style, you may not understand, like and or approve of it but thats not your problem so why make it your problem. Let people have fun the way they want to have fun, and no one is entitled to anything, gear pets etc... there is nothing wrong with having something that you have to pray to the rng gods to get or grind to get or have pure luck to get, or have skillz to get. That being said I am happy for everyone that things like the Direhorns or not exclusive so all specs get to try for it, I am happy that people who hate camping and play BM can get a spirit beast, so why can't peope be happy when blizz decided to give a rare skin to those who like and or want to camp?

[Kalliope]

Why do people insist on bashing on other peoples play style, you may not understand, like and or approve of it but thats not your problem so why make it your problem. Let people have fun the way they want to have fun, and no one is entitled to anything, gear pets etc... there is nothing wrong with having something that you have to pray to the rng gods to get or grind to get or have pure luck to get, or have skillz to get. That being said I am happy for everyone that things like the Direhorns or not exclusive so all specs get to try for it, I am happy that people who hate camping and play BM can get a spirit beast, so why can't peope be happy when blizz decided to give a rare skin to those who like and or want to camp?

Because they seem to think that every new release should be something they are interested in getting in the way that they like to get things, taking it as a personal affront when that doesn't happen.

[Syleye]

Ah that does explain things Kalliope, sad though...oh well on to happier thoughts, like running about on foot avoiding face eating Dinos

[Azunara]

I apologize if I was seeming hostile or trying to bash anyone's play style. That certainly wasn't the intent and I am more than happy to edit and clean up the post if it seems that way.