Female Worgen Are Ugly (Image Warning)

[Lisaara]

I'm so surprised how many people that hated the old female model, now want them back. You wanted more feral worgens, well, you got them.

Just if they add a few non-snarly faces and different eye colors, I would be glad to roll a female worgen. I wanted a feral worgen myself. Worgens aren't sexy. They should be "ugly."

I never hated the old models. I loved them. Then they went baclwards and turned these into feral deformed cavemen.

[Sarayana]

I think it was a more general statement, Taluwen. I don't think it was directed at you.

Yeah, I'm not too unhappy with these; it's just the lack of options at the moment, plus some fine-tuning.

I agree 100% (as always ), once they polish it (I'm sure they don't like the hip bone jutting out like that any more than we do, and I'm certain the good folks at Blizz know that breasts aren't at shoulder height) and add more options, I'm sure there'll be something for everyone. I see them kind of like the tauren v2.0, with slightly more customisation but generally focused less on the face and more on fur/horns(ears)/small changes in hair.

I really do like the move towards a more feral look, worgen have always been very feral in-game. I just hope they'll add options for folks that like a less feral style, so that they can also enjoy their worgen ladies.

[Lisaara]

I know it wasnt. :3 Was just sayin, I liked the older models better.

I know how people wanted more feral but i think they went way overboard.

[Sarayana]

Hehe. Perhaps it's like the Kill Command changes in this latest patch. Blizz goes from one extreme to the other, to finally land somewhere in the middle.

Anyway, it's the beta, so nothing's set in stone.

[Lisaara]

This is true. My boyfriend hates these new models but he thinks they're just placeholders.

[Pepsi Jedi]

I think they're an improvement. The old versions looked like a furry's wet dream. These new ones are a little ragged and haggard. They're supposed to be. These aren't sexy anthro wolves. They're 'supposed' to be humans that have been cursed, and their wolf forms are not something they'd really want/choose if they didn't have to.

Werewolves are SUPPOSED to be feral and scary and bitchy looking, and like they might bite you.

The Worgen are SUPPOSED TO be the 'bad ass' Race of the Alliance. Their "Wolverine from the XMen" The developers said this straight out at the last blizzcon.

While I like the Male Worgen better than the female ones right now. I do like the more feral Females.

I'm Rollin' goblin anyway. Male Worgen. Female Worgen? Just skins for the AH. *Grins*

[Acherontia]

I think they're an improvement. The old versions looked like a furry's wet dream. These new ones are a little ragged and haggard. They're supposed to be. These aren't sexy anthro wolves. They're 'supposed' to be humans that have been cursed, and their wolf forms are not something they'd really want/choose if they didn't have to.

Werewolves are SUPPOSED to be feral and scary and bitchy looking, and like they might bite you.

Agreed wholeheartedly.

I think the point of my original post, which many people seem to have missed (thus turning it into a feral vs sexy discussion) needs to be restated.

The old female looked NOTHING LIKE a wolf, but rather like some deformed apple-skulled monstrosity. The new one STILL HAS a screwy skull, although the changes made the total model look far better IMO. I love all of the changes thus far. I just still think the skull needs fixing.

Yes, I thought the makeup (or eyeglow, w/e it is) and the eyelashes needed toning down, and I am GLAD that they did that. But that wasn't really the point of the original post

[Lisaara]

Uh...the new ones dont look wolfish either. Just sayin. Looks more like a lovechild of a chihuahua and a chupacabra and looks TOO feral. Blizzard went overboard and people are complaining far more than they did before.

No wolf I've ever seen looks like that. The wolves I've seen look beautiful and aren't snarling 24/7.

[Raydex-of-the-dawn]

They actually do look rather wolflike. <3

[Suicune]

People need to stop throwing the 'furry' terminology around. Anyone who likes anthro is considered a 'furry', and the way you are talking is not very friendly, and actually offensive. Saying something is too cartoon-ey or Disney-ish is fine, but when you direct remarks towards a group of enthusiasts, it just seems wrong to me. Sorry if some people like to have a more docile looking character, I think it's their right as much as the 'ugly' snarly more feral expressions some people want. Remember everyone has different personalities and different ways to play the game. Worgen may be beasts by curse, but they still are docile enough to be able to shift out of form so long not in combat. You can have a nice looking feral beast, I personally wouldn't mind the splayed fangs as long as they aren't in a stupid half-snarl. If an Orc, Goblin, Tauren, and Troll can look feral yet docile, why can't Worgen? I couldn't care less if the eyeglow was removed, and the lashes toned down, would have been cool to see different colored eyes, but that's not my issue, the perma-snarl annoys me, wolves in the wild surely don't have a scowl affixed to their faces 24-7!

[Noba]

I wanted to begin by saying that I really like your suggestion to model upgrades, Acherontina. The original model looked very cat like with its pointed slanted eyes, short snout, and high triangular ears. (In fact, it reminds me of the cat-race from Everquest)

Because worgen are werewolves, making them more wolfish is great. For anyone who thinks looking more 'wolf-like' is in direct conflict with a potentially pretty character, google some images of real wolves, especially arctic wolves. Wolves are beautiful creatures.
Whether the facial expressions end up happy/calm or wild/feral (ideally both available to choose from), I want to see the eyes looking more like the eyes of a wolf. Acherontina's suggestions for snout changes are also great. Having a slightly broader snout and especially making sure the tip/nose does not end in an abrupt upturned form would help. Using the white muzzle shading into the top of snout color would help separate worgen from cats too.

Finally, I like the general idea of the hair not being overly dressed up, but would like to see more options of hair "decorations", such as a few braids, or a few frontal strands of hair decorated with beads (or bone shards?). I hope blizzard continues reviewing feedback and working on the models, while hopefully keeping images of wild wolves in mind.

[Galahandra]

Just so you folks know, when you actually play a female worgen character in beta right now, they use the male model and get a neon coloured face with absolutely no features at all...plus, I'm pretty sure the model isn't even finished yet

[Anansi]

I think the new female Worgen look awesome and much better than the old models. I'm very jealous of the Worgen and the Alliance getting them while Horde gets green Gnomes.

[Lisaara]

People need to stop throwing the 'furry' terminology around. Anyone who likes anthro is considered a 'furry', and the way you are talking is not very friendly, and actually offensive. Saying something is too cartoon-ey or Disney-ish is fine, but when you direct remarks towards a group of enthusiasts, it just seems wrong to me. Sorry if some people like to have a more docile looking character, I think it's their right as much as the 'ugly' snarly more feral expressions some people want. Remember everyone has different personalities and different ways to play the game. Worgen may be beasts by curse, but they still are docile enough to be able to shift out of form so long not in combat. You can have a nice looking feral beast, I personally wouldn't mind the splayed fangs as long as they aren't in a stupid half-snarl. If an Orc, Goblin, Tauren, and Troll can look feral yet docile, why can't Worgen? I couldn't care less if the eyeglow was removed, and the lashes toned down, would have been cool to see different colored eyes, but that's not my issue, the perma-snarl annoys me, wolves in the wild surely don't have a scowl affixed to their faces 24-7!

QFT

[Acherontia]

Uh...the new ones dont look wolfish either. Just sayin. Looks more like a lovechild of a chihuahua and a chupacabra...

Like I said, they still need improvement for realism, skull-wise--but they look FAR more wolflike than the whorishly decorated blood-elf-mated-with-ugly previous models. They look more animalistic, too, regardless--the hair mostly, but the colors as well. Still needs improvement but it is definitely a step in the right direction imo.

...and looks TOO feral. Blizzard went overboard and people are complaining far more than they did before.

I disagree with that. I LIKE the feral look, it's just the expression that could use tweaking. I also think there's more positive than negative response to this new model.

P.S. If Blizz goes to make some non-snarling Worgen (male AND female), they should go make some non-lobotimized, BLINKING troll females while they're at it!

I wanted to begin by saying that I really like your suggestion to model upgrades, Acherontina. The original model looked very cat like with its pointed slanted eyes, short snout, and high triangular ears. (In fact, it reminds me of the cat-race from Everquest)

Because worgen are werewolves, making them more wolfish is great. For anyone who thinks looking more 'wolf-like' is in direct conflict with a potentially pretty character, google some images of real wolves, especially arctic wolves. Wolves are beautiful creatures.
Whether the facial expressions end up happy/calm or wild/feral (ideally both available to choose from), I want to see the eyes looking more like the eyes of a wolf. Acherontina's suggestions for snout changes are also great. Having a slightly broader snout and especially making sure the tip/nose does not end in an abrupt upturned form would help. Using the white muzzle shading into the top of snout color would help separate worgen from cats too.

Finally, I like the general idea of the hair not being overly dressed up, but would like to see more options of hair "decorations", such as a few braids, or a few frontal strands of hair decorated with beads (or bone shards?).

Agreed with everything, and thanks! Some of the original hairstyles had things like hawk's feathers speared into the hair, which was cool, but I personally don't mind the manes. But yeah those eyes look so bizarre

[Lazuly]

I'm so surprised how many people that hated the old female model, now want them back. You wanted more feral worgens, well, you got them.

Just if they add a few non-snarly faces and different eye colors, I would be glad to roll a female worgen. I wanted a feral worgen myself. Worgens aren't sexy. They should be "ugly."

I think the new skin has a lot of pros, but the muzzle shape needs tweaking still and they need to get rid of the pasted-on snarl. Otherwise, I love the wild mane and the eyes.

[Kryte]

I prefer these newer models to the previous incarnation of worgen females. Even so, though, I agree whole-heartedly that the shape of the skull is the biggest thing needing to change. The new model looks better, but, for me, it's still in the ranges of "terrible".

Really liking the manes, though. Hopefully the old haircuts will still show up somewhere, as they looked rather nice, but they had an awful, wig-ish look on the worgen.

[wildstormz]

Send the Picture to Blizz your one way better... i like to stare at a hot worgen not some ugly female worgen I am Alliance i always like the girls bloodelf i think there sexy as but if they add your one damn i be happy:D

[Lisaara]

Ach: I will state this again. Snarling 24/7 is NOT normal for a wolf unless there's a reason for them. I used to roleplay wolves all the time. I did not snarl or keep a snarl on my face all the time. Yes, I played feral wolves. I still have the bumper stickers from the old wolf pack rpg I was in(Dream Wolves). I'm very big on wolves. And I skimmed the wow forums and asked around my guild. I heard more negatives than positives so I'm not sure where you're getting the other way around. People are glad its not so barbied up, yes. But thats all thats really good about it. The rest, including the body structure(STILL based off the female draenei) is all wrong. Not trying to be mean or nothin'. Our opinions of wolves just seem to differ greatly.

Dear Blizzard,
Google some wolves, kthx. They're beautiful creatures. Stop destroying them.

[Bellatryx]

People need to stop throwing the 'furry' terminology around. Anyone who likes anthro is considered a 'furry', and the way you are talking is not very friendly, and actually offensive. Saying something is too cartoon-ey or Disney-ish is fine, but when you direct remarks towards a group of enthusiasts, it just seems wrong to me. Sorry if some people like to have a more docile looking character, I think it's their right as much as the 'ugly' snarly more feral expressions some people want. Remember everyone has different personalities and different ways to play the game. Worgen may be beasts by curse, but they still are docile enough to be able to shift out of form so long not in combat. You can have a nice looking feral beast, I personally wouldn't mind the splayed fangs as long as they aren't in a stupid half-snarl. If an Orc, Goblin, Tauren, and Troll can look feral yet docile, why can't Worgen? I couldn't care less if the eyeglow was removed, and the lashes toned down, would have been cool to see different colored eyes, but that's not my issue, the perma-snarl annoys me, wolves in the wild surely don't have a scowl affixed to their faces 24-7!

^ This. Because it can't be said enough. Some of my closest friends, some of the sweetest people ever, are "enthusiasts" because i hate dropping the F-bomb cause its become so negative.

I agree, they should do what they did with the goblins, adding a different facial structure to each "face" instead of being stuck with the snarling chihuahua. I just kinda hate that they female worgen seem a little rushed if we're looking at a late november/december release date.