Crappy Groups

[Kalliope]

Oh man...

Was having a pretty clean ST run on my warrior tank. Got down to the prophet's room and he says "pull big." The healer, who was pretty good, was fine with a double pull already (which was also the doing of the ret pally), so I grabbed three groups and started popping cds. So far, so good. The ret pally pulls a FOURTH group AND the boss! I of course get MCed and we wipe. As we're wiping, the healer leaves, as do two of the dps....including the ret pally who caused the wipe. *sigh*

What a nub. -_-

[FlightofthePhoenix]

I sympathize. I'm scared to be a tank because people blame you for everything. I actually explained to a tank that I was being a responsible DPS and avoiding pulling mobs off the tank. He seemed surprised. It seems a lot of DPS don't realize that the tank and healer can't save their ass in all situations.

For my own, it's more of just a rant. I hardly ever see hunters in groups, and when I do, it's really disappointing. For example, I had one in shaman gear who had a tenacity pet and stayed in Aspect of the Monkey the whole time. He was my level (66). None of those things are really that bad, it was just the combination. Also, when I pointed out the Aspect, thinking it was a mistake (though I haven't used Monkey since level 10) he seemed hostile about it and refused to change. He said he preferred fighting up close. The good news is I'm topping the charts in DPS so maybe people will see hunters can be good, too.

[VelkynKarma]

Yeah I've done at least twenty dungeon runs on Sil now and I have yet to run with another hunter. Really weird.

But at least I'm doing our class a service. I might not be topping the dps charts, but I at least play smart. I haven't had any bad comments when I run on Sil and a few players have even complimented my pet (the white devilsaur).

~VelkynKarma

[Azunara]

Eh. I rememember when a friend wanted to do instances. So, I thought I would tank. After quick respec and talk with our guild main tank, we were ready. So I'm tanking ST, and we get to Eranikus. We left quite a few dragon packs alive.

Someone: "Okay, tank! Pull!"
Me: "We left dragons alive. He'll call them..."
Someone: "Come on, why haven't we started!"
Me: "We need to clear those dragons..."
Someone: "GO!"
Me: "Fine. But don't say I didn't warn you."

Half way through the fight, Eranikus calls his dragons and we're overwhelmed. Wipe. Needless to say, we cleared the dragons then second attempt was fine.

As for tanking, I would never do it again for a group. I'll happily do it solo, even with a friend, but I will never tank again. I didn't have mangle, so we wiped so many times and I couldn't hold aggro and I got so frustrated I was head-achey and nauseous. Luckily, people lower level are much nicer....

[Kalliope]

I sympathize. I'm scared to be a tank because people blame you for everything.

I find that people blame the healer more often than the tank. People are usually so grateful to see a good tank that they'll forgive any small mistakes, be it on your part or theirs. But healers tend to take the brunt of people dying, regardless of whose fault it is. It's also hard to gauge healers a lot of the time, since they're reacting to the incoming damage. A healer running with a well-geared tank and dps isn't being truly tested. However, even a well-geared healer who knows how to play might not be able to save a group with a crappily geared tank and low dps. Or try an undergeared tank with reckless aggro-pulling dps. If a dps dies, they're still far more likely to blame the healer than themselves or the tank.

That's not to say that people don't also blame the tanks for their problems. But it happens far more often to healers that I've seen. -_-

And lol, Az; I actually pulled all of the dragons, including that one hidden group no one remembers is there. So I was surprised to see people leave. Much easier to have kicked the dps and kept going. As for your own tanking experience, lowbie druid tanking sucks. It takes practice and some more skills to become available to help. Learning the ropes in ST SUCKS. Ugh. I wouldn't let 'em get you down. Tanking can be stressful when it doesn't go well, but when it does, it's very rewarding. After all, you get to set the pace, etc.

[Azunara]

With mangle, tanking isn't so bad, but I prefer DPS. At least you have no one to blame but yourself when you pull aggro or die. Besides. I prefer the kitty over the huge bear butt!

[Kalliope]

With mangle, tanking isn't so bad, but I prefer DPS. At least you have no one to blame but yourself when you pull aggro or die. Besides. I prefer the kitty over the huge bear butt!

^
That's another story entirely. xD

[Ryai]

Not really crappy group but.

Gnomer. Everyone loves that instance, yes? It's the second boss, or the first gnome or whatever. I don't know how many bosses there are, we usually just down 3. I know there's more but I digress.

A caster ring drops. I hesitate to roll on it as it has no intel on it, like the ring I got from DM 8D but it has 9 spirit. So I muse and finally roll on it.

A hunter. Rolled on it. The hunter won it. The hunter tried to claim It's a ring for every class because it has omg +4 stamina.

The hunter wouldn't give me the ring, still tried to act like it's something you shouldn't get in a huff about and just aurg.

How can someone in BoA gear blow off being a ninja, just because it's lowbie loot.

[Vephriel]

Argh....joined a random 10m Onyxia group just now thinking it'd be a nice quick run.

We get in, then wait around for about 20 minutes getting everything set up, summoned, etc. Then the damn shaman goes "Lol I'm just gonna go try to attack her guys."

So he pulls Onyxia. He dies. She kills all of us.

Eff. That.

[Ryai]

Veph you cursed me.

Get a pug for SM GY on my drood on hellscream. Tank can't tank worth crap. Pulls all of the scarlets in the torture room. I go oom and pull aggro as I'm having to heal EVERYONE now AND myself and have to pop a mana potion!

Then after that mess is over I realize failtank is tanking with SHADOW AURA up.

I uuurugelleeee and rage silently more when yep ninja too!

We get tio the boss somehow and the guy pulls 6 undead with us to the boss I go from 2k+ mana to 1k and I decide eff this. MASS HOTS GO BEAR. ENRAGE. ROAR.

aggro everything off the hunter and the mage and just start facerolling.

I've never hoped someone's account gets hacked before :|

[Epicfail]

I've had too many bad pugs. Most of them usually stem from people either not knowing what to do or stepping out of line to do what they shouldn't. Had a DK pulling 9k in gundrak until he pulled agro, wiped and said lawl battle rez me quick! /shrug.

When its a pug, its really not even worth complaining about... unless it was funny. Always gotta love them epic fails

[Kalliope]

Grrr.

I hate the players who fit the "huntard" stereotype. They give us a bad name.

Let's just say a hunter who was stacking spirit was trying to tell me how to tank on my warrior. Uhm, no.

Plus he rolled on the mp5 shield and spirit neck off the last boss in ST. Thankfully lost both rolls.

*sigh*

[FlightofthePhoenix]

I had one yesterday that upset me a lot. My hunter is level 69 now, and I put myself in for random dungeon. I was put into Nexus. I know I'm just barely the level to do this, but I know it well from my Death Knight. I also have been doing good DPS in other dungeons, so I think I can at least pull my weight. A healer tells me they're new. I do my best to protect them, as I always do. There's a couple wipes from the tank being hasty with pulls. Well, wipes as in everyone being dead but me. I was being encouraging, marking things to make things easier, joking around, and taking down the right enemies. Strangely, the others didn't seem to know the strategy as they weren't going for the usual order of things. We're heading to Pandemonius, and BAM- loading screen.

I've been removed from the group.

My DPS might have sucked. It seems unlikely because I usually do top DPS for most dungeons, even with adrenaline junkie tanks. If that were true, I would have liked to know. I had my wolf out. Not to try to impress anyone, but because he's highest level right now. I am specced Beastmaster so maybe they decided I was fail. I've never been removed from a group before, not even on my Death Knight when I tried to tank and ran into mobs with my face. Two of the people in my group were from my server and I asked them if they knew why. One was as confused as me, the other just said "idk" (/twitch) again and again.

I'm probably letting this bother me too much, but I am still new. I don't want to be fail. I work my butt off as Beastmaster to pull the DPS I do. I learn the dungeons and the strategies to keep everyone as safe as possible, no matter what the tank is doing. I still feel like I'm missing something, though. That's why I'm upset. I don't feel good enough and getting kicked just proves it.

I didn't have recount on so I can't even tell if my DPS was abnormally low that time, either...

Edited to add: I've been recovering from an illness so I'm a little more slow on the uptake lately, but I tell them that. If anyone had a problem with me I would have been happy to leave and be replaced. I know my weaknesses.

[Ryai]

Tbh I don't see why you should have been removed from the group- I've been slow with DPSing and tbh it doesn't really matter aslong as you pull it on the boss. It might not even have been you were BM. Were you using AotV on trash or even during the boss to regen mana?

I've been insulted by a know it all Shaman who tried to cry foul about me using AotV on trash.

[Kalliope]

Looks to me like you were fine there.

Most likely what happened was someone decided that they didn't like that you were 1) surviving wipes and 2) telling them what to do and how to play EVEN THOUGH YOU WERE RIGHT - ESPECIALLY BECAUSE YOU WERE RIGHT. There are some bad players out there (heh, I can think of one I know offhand...) who do NOT like being told how to do things, EVEN IF IT HELPS THEM. After all, that means they were doing things incorrectly in the first place and therefore look bad. Which is a stupid mentality to have, since people are generally QUITE happy when others learn from the good advice they've been given and don't think any less of said person for not being 100% awesome in the first place.

*grumps*

[FlightofthePhoenix]

Tbh I don't see why you should have been removed from the group- I've been slow with DPSing and tbh it doesn't really matter aslong as you pull it on the boss. It might not even have been you were BM. Were you using AotV on trash or even during the boss to regen mana?

I've been insulted by a know it all Shaman who tried to cry foul about me using AotV on trash.

Yeah, I've been having to use the Aspect of the Viper on trash more than I'd like due to hyperactive tanks. With a well-paced group I can pop the aspect while going from one area to the next and keep up on it, but lately tanks are pulling as I'm running. Tanks are also starting on the boss without asking if we're ready. I've had boss fights start on less than half mana. Some of that is on me, yes, but if it's my first time, or they could wait 20 seconds, we'd be good to go.

Minor derailing: I had a tank who pulled a large group while the healer was begging for a mana break. Naturally, we wiped (I feigned). When the group got back, I popped up and used my Heart of the Phoenix to get my pet back. He immediately pulled again, before everyone else had gotten their health and mana up. I feigned, the rest wiped again. I hated wasting my Heart of Phoenix like that. I was dying to kick him, but after some whispering between me, the tank, and the healer, things go better. He still needed to slow down a bit, but no more wipes. Things can get better with talking, though. That's why I'm so pissed at being kicked.

Does no one care about the hunters?

[Ryai]

Does no one care about the hunters?

Sounds less like not caring and more like being craphats, tbh. And I can understand what you mean by the stupid tanks who don't grasp not everyone wants to do speed runs OR massive pulls! >_>

I had healed Mara purple earlier. Buff everyone up, go to sit and drink cause blew like half my mana my god. TANK LOL PULLS

I manage to heal save.

GO TO DRINK, tank pulls more and more and I've having to blow innervate when I don't want to or blow it and it's not needed and I'm face desking but somehow we get through it and I just asdasdsad.


The other day I also just couldn't force myself to deal with a crap tank.

OK PALADIN TANKING WITH 2hander FINE. I've had a few, note few, decent 2h tanks.

PALADIN BUBBLES.

OH MY GOD.

>_< I stayed to down trash and then thought screw this, I'm not bothering, explaining to yet another paladin to NOT use bubble. If you've not figured it out by 50+ I ain't going to eat a repair bill while you learn to tank.

I'm sorry but my patience sometimes wears to thin >_<

[Nick]

Bah. I just got kicked from my group because they wanted an 80 dps. Had an 80 tank and 78 heals.
I'm level 71, about to ding 72. Hunter is 71. DK was 71.
Why ME, when I even agreed on the new god damed dps? :/
The hunter was even afk, for god's sake!

[Kalliope]

Does no one care about the hunters?

Why would most people bother caring about hunters?

Hunters are a pure dps class (therefore, "no utility" in this world of no-CC and lengthy dps queues).
MANY of them don't know how to play.
Of all pet classes, they tend to have the most accidents with their pets.
Hunters can feign out of wipes every 25-30s, including ones they've caused themselves.
Hunters can afk and still do dps via pet and autoshot.

Back when I had only played a hunter to max level, I felt extremely wronged by this sort of treatment. It's only after years of being in other classes' shoes that I've started to understand why the rest of the playerbase resents us.

@Harpier: The hunter may have been the alt of the tank/healer and why they were doing the run to begin with. Ignore that crap; that's a lazy LAZY group.

[Ryai]

Back when I had only played a hunter to max level, I felt extremely wronged by this sort of treatment. It's only after years of being in other classes' shoes that I've started to understand why the rest of the playerbase resents us.

It's still wrong treatment tho to treat good hunters, as huntards, when I have seen retards, protards, tanktards for droods and wars, stupid healers..

Yes I've seen an alarming rate of huntards and bots- but I've discovered a few were thankfully newbies and have managed to give them tips.

Tho the ones that roll on caster gear and just I go aurg and want to strangle them. I sometimes get mad enough to yell I play a hunter and you make me mad I play one!!

Tho I have to admit sometimes the worst players aren't dps classes, they're the hybrids.

OMG I MIGHT HAVE TO ACTUALLY HEAL OR TANK?!! Player leaves group

T_T