Now that we've calmed down about the rares (and other ptr)

[Tahlian]

I'm not a fan of guns myself, but I absolutely respect the dwarves' need to have them. Hopefully the crossbow classification is in error.

I also completely agree that the spiders fit the Firelands ecosystem perfectly. They really blend into the landscape.

On the guns thing:
I HATE GUNS SO MUCH. OMG! I hate them almost as much as I do the TBC spider noises.
BUUUUUUUUUT
I'm totally for guns being added because yeah, Dwarves need to have them. Either that or a new racial passive. But I mean, cmon, give the dwarves their guns D: Even if I do have to get ear plugs

engineers are getting a new gun thats an upgraded version of the kickback, i dont recall exact stats but... wait for it... ITS PURPLE!

It may be purple, and it may be an upgrade from the Kickback...but it's still inferior to the ranged weapon drops in the Firelands raid in lots of ways. Why should engineers, dwarves, or those who simply prefer to use a gun be forced to use an inferior weapon over those who use a bow/crossbow, whether for a racial benefit or as simple personal preference?

As a belf, I don't get any particular benefit from one type of weapon or the other...but I have found the gun noises are easier for me to keep track of, as it's sort of become part of my internal timing system.

[Slickrock]

On the guns thing:
I HATE GUNS SO MUCH. OMG! I hate them almost as much as I do the TBC spider noises.
BUUUUUUUUUT
I'm totally for guns being added because yeah, Dwarves need to have them. Either that or a new racial passive. But I mean, cmon, give the dwarves their guns D: Even if I do have to get ear plugs

engineers are getting a new gun thats an upgraded version of the kickback, i dont recall exact stats but... wait for it... ITS PURPLE!

It may be purple, and it may be an upgrade from the Kickback...but it's still inferior to the ranged weapon drops in the Firelands raid in lots of ways. Why should engineers, dwarves, or those who simply prefer to use a gun be forced to use an inferior weapon over those who use a bow/crossbow, whether for a racial benefit or as simple personal preference?.

Yep. The Engineering gun being another 'starter" weapon like the Kickback5000 (and it's not much of an upgrade from the Kickback5000) leaves dwarves going yet again for the PVP gun as their BiS weapon.

And Cerele, do you really think we just judge a weapon because its "PURPLZ!!"?

[Rikaku]

I'm not a fan of guns myself, but I absolutely respect the dwarves' need to have them. Hopefully the crossbow classification is in error.

I also completely agree that the spiders fit the Firelands ecosystem perfectly. They really blend into the landscape.

I actually don't feel like Spiders fit at all. I mean color-wise, yes. But any pet with magma-skin like that would fit there theoretically speaking. I just don't really get how spiders = fire I guess. Maybe for that one boss but hm... Idk...

More colored corehounds would've made sense to me. But hey, I'm not hating on the spiders XD I'm just saying I don't get the spider/Firelands connection.

I think it's more design-wise that they fit, since the are kind of crystaline. But you do find spiders and scorpids in nasty climates, so...

Yet more proof that spiders are evil =|