just a thought

[Chimera]

There are people that do a lot of work though for that ability... its unneccesarily difficult to get a spirit beast while as all the other exotics, there is always a common model in that family to tame. I feel there is no reason for there to be a purely 'rarespawn' family regardless of the perks it gives

I for one spent 3 days straight with maybe only 20 hours sleep total during those days camping my first spirit beast, it was living hell because Arcturis was so popular back then and it was a model i really loved and i wasnt willing to wait a few months for the hype to die down because his appearence made him look way, way better then any of the others (hadnt even seen any spirit beast in-game except a rare glimpse of Loque during the time actually).

If i was after the perk and not the look, by all means i would of saved my sanity and done that instead but i wasnt doing it for the perk.. even if i was tho, there is no common spirit beast for me to tame. The ability is so common now that its honestly not worth the effort to keep it 'special' anymore, its as common as a wolf's furious howl or a beetle/turtles damage reduction ability (since it seems to me that turtles/beetles are the choice of tank pet for many people).

Im sick of camping... the people who dont mind it can by all means camp their brains out but i refuse to camp the rares that are WotLK or newer. If Blizz releases more rares for 4.3, i dont care how damn spectacular they are, i am not going to sit in one spot and fight off rude remarks and emotes and stacking idiots and griefers from 50 other hunters.

[Nubhorns]

[...] and i like the idea that i had to hunt and do a little work for that ability.

Yes, you found a rare spawn and tamed it. Having a common alternative will not lessen the value of your hard work and hours put into hunting for YOUR spirit beast. This whole idea behind 'it'll make my pet less special' is absolutely asinine. Nothing should change the value of your pet unless you decide so yourself. No one is keeping tabs on what makes a hunter cool or awesome, because no one cares about the pets you own besides yourself. If you don't want a common spirit beast, voice your opinion and stick with the ones you have to camp for. It's not the end of the world.

[Dr. Rockso]

Yes they do do alot of work for that ability and that ability is the reward for that hard work now i know some hunters dont tame spirit beasts for that ability but there are some that do. I think that's a awesome concept that a ability and or pet class can be rare just like a beast can be rare.

[Chimera]

Agreed Nub, we have like what...... 9 spirit beasts and all are only one single rarespawn npc, with two of them sharing spawn timers... it really couldnt hurt to give us a break and hand us a common, i wouldnt care if it was half-assed either ._. hell, i'll take one of skoll's color confused brothers even, even though i was really ticked off to see blizz decided to throw gondria's color buddies into the game as two new pets and then give us 5 of the same model spider with the only appearence difference being their colors ._.

*twiddles thumbs and contemplates hydras* i wouldnt mind the ghost hydra be re-implemented as a spirit beast.. that way those who already tamed have their retired snowflake and those who missed out still get to go through the experience the veterans had :3

And Rockso, as i had previously said, the spirit beasts perk (the spirit heal to be exact) is pretty much as common as a wolf's howl or a turtle/beetles damage reduction... its not special in any way besides being exclusive to an exotic family but its no different then a silithud's stamina buff, and they're exotic but have many common models. Chimeras have their froststorm breath, its exclusive to them and they are exotic but they have many common models.

I dont see the logic in having spirit beasts be purely rare anymore. At the very least IF they absolutely need to be rarespawns, they could add the skin elsewhere to give people more options for camping spots so there arent 50 people camping the same patch of ground.

[Dr. Rockso]

And Rockso, as i had previously said, the spirit beasts perk (the spirit heal to be exact) is pretty much as common as a wolf's howl or a turtle/beetles damage reduction... its not special in any way besides being exclusive to an exotic family but its no different then a silithud's stamina buff, and they're exotic but have many common models. Chimeras have their froststorm breath, its exclusive to them and they are exotic but they have many common models.

see but its not common like a wolfs howl cause if you want that you can go to an area where there are a million wolves that respawn faster than you can kill them and tame one same gose with the other pet abilitys. and i think your confusing exotic and rare froststorm breath is an exsotic ability but not a rare ability like spirit mend, the consept of a rare ability helps make the spirit beast a thrill of the hunt pet.

[cowmuflage]

Spirit mends pretty common nowadays.....

[Chimera]

see but its not common like a wolfs howl cause if you want that you can go to an area where there are a million wolves that respawn faster than you can kill them and tame one same gose with the other pet abilitys. and i think your confusing exotic and rare froststorm breath is an exsotic ability but not a rare ability like spirit mend, the consept of a rare ability helps make the spirit beast a thrill of the hunt pet.

I dont understand how Froststorm Breath isnt a rare ability if its exotics exclusively. I do see why you say that though because there arent any common spirit beasts at the moment but from a logical stand point when you count in how many Beast Masters use spirit beasts for the healing ability over a Devilsaur/Wolf for groups/raids/dungeons, or a spirit beast instead of a silithid/spider for pvping, the spirit beast has probably been much more popular and groups are losing out on important buffs (only saying this for situations on if dps is low for example) because the hunters want to prance around with their spirit beast instead of something that can really make the difference in that one boss fight that your working so hard to beat or that awesome webbing and/or stamina perk that can really make the difference in winning or losing a BG if its really tough (spider/silithid in a BG like WSG or Twin Peaks for example).

Edit: Forgot to add in a couple things, trailed on with one topic and forgot another

[Dr. Rockso]

I dont understand how Froststorm Breath isnt a rare ability if its exotics exclusively. I do see why you say that though because there arent any common spirit beasts at the moment but from a logical stand point when you count in how many Beast Masters use spirit beasts for the healing ability over a Devilsaur/Wolf for groups/raids/dungeons, or a spirit beast instead of a silithid/spider, the spirit beast has probably been much more popular and groups are losing out on important buffs (only saying this for situations on if dps is low for example) because the hunters want to prance around with their spirit beast instead of something that can really make the difference in that one boss fight that your working so hard to beat.

Froststorn breath is a common ability because Cimeras can be commonly found so the ability can be commonly obtained. The spirit mend may not be the ideal ability for a raid but it is very helpful soloing. Its not required at all for soloing it just comes in handy and that's all we can really expect from a rare ability nothing that's going to determine weather you kill the mob or not but something that will just give you a little help, just like a rare beast its not something you need its something that makes the game so a little smoother for u.

[Chimera]

I dont understand why someone would use a ferocity pet to solo when theres tenacity pets..... they can hold aggro a lot longer then spirit mend's cooldown.

Edit: I was browsing the pets and omg, a spirit beast version of
:DD that would look sooooooo cooool *squeal*

[Dr. Rockso]

i use a Ferocity pet to solo all the time in fact i use my spirit beast it holds aggro just fine

[Chimera]

You can, i cant. Theres probably a lot of people like that too who much perfer a tank-pet rather then a dps-pet. I also doubt that heal would be very useful if you suddenly came under attack by multiple mobs as well since Intimidation has quite the cooldown.

[Ocyen]

I see a lot of comments about "looks" and "ability" but...here's my stance on the whole thing.

Keep the Spirit Beasts rare. I didn't wait till 85 to tame them on my main hunter, I did it -at- level. Why? Because I like a challenge. Anyone at 85 can go out and go "Oh hay, Skoll..." *tame* When he's up at least, but being a rare at the same level you feel a certain rush. Hell, half my rares on my main were done without NPCScan simply because I didn't know about it at the time.

Basically, my point is; in Wrath of the Lich King as a hunter you wanted Skoll or Loque'nahak and you waited, you camped, you set your alarm for 3am to check. That's the thrill of it and they look unique. I am all for keeping these brilliant looking pets as rares because I am a hunter, I hunt. It is the one class of beasts that shouldn't have a common simply so we compete, have stories to share and help each other out.

But hey, that's my opinion.

[Dr. Rockso]

you would be surprised how useful it can be in some fights

I see a lot of comments about "looks" and "ability" but...here's my stance on the whole thing.

Keep the Spirit Beasts rare. I didn't wait till 85 to tame them on my main hunter, I did it -at- level. Why? Because I like a challenge. Anyone at 85 can go out and go "Oh hay, Skoll..." *tame* When he's up at least, but being a rare at the same level you feel a certain rush. Hell, half my rares on my main were done without NPCScan simply because I didn't know about it at the time.

Basically, my point is; in Wrath of the Lich King as a hunter you wanted Skoll or Loque'nahak and you waited, you camped, you set your alarm for 3am to check. That's the thrill of it and they look unique. I am all for keeping these brilliant looking pets as rares because I am a hunter, I hunt. It is the one class of beasts that shouldn't have a common simply so we compete, have stories to share and help each other out.

But hey, that's my opinion.

well said
that's the point I'm getting at

[Chimera]

@Ocyen: Im not gonna say this because our opinions are different and it is not because im having fun poking the troll but your story is yours its not someone elses, our thrills are different. Let the rare hunters chase after the thrill and help eachother, and let the casual players or the players who have an extremely busy schedule and play WoW to chill and calm their mind from their hectic day be able to fly out to whatever zone the common model of a beast they want is and tame it so they can get on with their gaming experience There are challenge pets in the game, there will most likley be more, Blizzard is listening to the thrill seekers, let us casual players have a break. ^-^

Rockso... Spirit Mend is only gonna go so far to save you from 5 mobs pounding you at once with it being a 40sec cooldown and Intimidation being a 42sec cooldown :/

[Dr. Rockso]

as i previously said its not a ability that's going to determine weather you live or die, in some fights different ability's come in more handy than others its really comes down to the situation of the fight

the spirit beast can be like a heroic you can chose to do the raid/dungeon on heroic for the challenge to get specific items and to say you did it just like you can go for that challenge of taming the spirit beast to get a specific ability that you can only get through that challenge

and again am i being called a troll simply cause i respond to all these posts?

[Ocyen]

as i previously said its not a ability that's going to determine weather you live or die, in some fights different ability's come in more handy than others its really comes gown to the situation of the fight

and again am i being called a troll simply cause i respond to all these posts?

A saying I commonly use is: "A good carpenter never blames his tools." Some people have an intimate relationship with their pets in-game, mine are tools--specific tools for a specific job. I have a separate Bartender bar just for pet abilities and macro'd pet abilities. Spirit Mend has saved my arse on more occasions than I can count on all my fingers and toes. It's not the end all be all of abilities, but it's got damn good utility with the right pet talents, and a lot of skill in not popping your CDs too quickly.

Im not gonna say this because our opinions are different and it is not because im having fun poking the troll but your story is yours its not someone elses, our thrills are different. Let the rare hunters chase after the thrill and help eachother, and let the casual players or the players who have an extremely busy schedule and play WoW to chill and calm their mind from their hectic day be able to fly out to whatever zone the common model of a beast they want is and tame it so they can get on with their gaming experience There are challenge pets in the game, there will most likely be more, Blizzard is listening to the thrill seekers, let us casual players have a break. ^-^

You are very right when you say our opinions differ. I too have a very busy schedule (business owner in the restaurant industry), but for me it's always "hard work pays off". Sometimes I do wish for WoW to cut me a break when farming certain things, but if it's not challenging to some degree then it's just...gets boring?

To each their own playing style, casual, raider, PvPer, etc. I am just staying on the side that Spirit Beasts should remain a rare mob and not become the new flavor pet suddenly. I don't have Skarr yet. I envy people that have him. I want him. It's a goal I am working towards.

[Chimera]

@Rockso: Theres a few ppl on the forums i think of as an occasional troll, im most definitely sure some ppl probably have thought me as a troll in the past because i, like you, can be quite opinionated, such as right now since we're essentially feeding eachother, its all in the eye of the beholder. There are you thrill seekers who think you need to work for everything you aquire and think them as special snowflakes and then theres the people who dont care where it came from, to them, it coulda come out from inside a Whale Shark and they would be estatic for the fact they can just come by and pick it up without having to waste their gameplay away staring blankly into the environment for hours or days etc. on end. Again, you guys have your challenge pets and your sparkily rares, let the casual players have at least one pet of that family that they dont need to beg and grovel at a griefers feet for or spend what is possibly their only day a week to play, sitting down and staring at a tree or an empty plain of snow or whatever might be in your surrounding environment.

@Ocyen: I dont consider camping for 10 hours a day and losing to a griefer who takes pride in making others miserable 'good hard work'

And right now i cant stop thinking about a corehound spirit beast. I dont think ive heard anyone mention one before.. but what would it look like >_> <_< we already have enough firey and lava drooling core hounds.. im curious to see what the next one will look like *is still keeping hope it would be a quest target* I wish i had photoshop ._. i want to create one so bad but my editing program i dont think can do fancy editing thats beyond changing colors..

[Dr. Rockso]

they can have that pet and that ability but like many things in WoW they have to put in a little effort to have that pet/ability

[Aeladrine]

I would love for there to be a common version of a Spirit Beast. Yes, I know, some of us don't want it. But why not? What harm does it do you? None. What gain does it give others? Plenty. If you don't want it, ignore it, pitch a small fit, or quit. It's all up to you. But who are we to determine how other people play based on our own selfish whims? Don't forget: not everyone shares your opinions. All opinions are worth the same and common courtesy dictates that we should be polite. Not allowing others to possibly have a more enjoyable time than they are now is selfish, impolite, and rather rude.

Just some food for thought.

[Ocyen]

@Rockso: Theres a few ppl on the forums i think of as an occasional troll, im most definitely sure some ppl probably have thought me as a troll in the past because i, like you, can be quite opinionated, such as right now since we're essentially feeding eachother, its all in the eye of the beholder. There are you thrill seekers who think you need to work for everything you aquire and think them as special snowflakes and then theres the people who dont care where it came from, to them, it coulda come out from inside a Whale Shark and they would be estatic for the fact they can just come by and pick it up without having to waste their gameplay away staring blankly into the environment for hours or days etc. on end. Again, you guys have your challenge pets and your sparkily rares, let the casual players have at least one pet of that family that they dont need to beg and grovel at a griefers feet for or spend what is possibly their only day a week to play, sitting down and staring at a tree or an empty plain of snow or whatever might be in your surrounding environment.

@Ocyen: I dont consider camping for 10 hours a day and losing to a griefer who takes pride in making others miserable 'good hard work'

And right now i cant stop thinking about a corehound spirit beast. I dont think ive heard anyone mention one before.. but what would it look like >_> <_< we already have enough firey and lava drooling core hounds.. im curious to see what the next one will look like *is still keeping hope it would be a quest target* I wish i had photoshop ._. i want to create one so bad but my editing program i dont think can do fancy editing thats beyond changing colors..

Sadly, there were always be a certain amount of grief in WoW. Heck, I have been taming common mobs only to have someone show up and turn it into Swiss cheese mid tame.

You made mention of "casuals" and the "thrill seekers", consider this: Spirit Beasts are for the thrill seekers. Just as raid gear is for raiders. You put in the time, you suffer through wipes and bad tanks, but you get what you want. You have to give and take, not just take. That one class of pet is possibly for the people (like me) who will go out of their way to tame it. The Thrill Seeker.