How I feel about MoP tameable "rares"

Unread post by **PorrasouxRex** » Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:00 pm

I think you're misunderstanding something here. I am very much impressed of the method of taming these skins, or any rare made for a hunter to tame. What I'm saying is simply this:

Quality of the rare beasts.

You're going to tell me, Sambas and Terrorpene are comparable to these rares? They were skins used elsewhere, but the look of them would be fantastic as hunter pets. So Blizzard did that. Same with Loque and Skarr.

I think why this is hard to express is many hunters don't really care much for rares, other than the fact that "Well, if I want that color, I'm gonna have to wait for it" Mindset.

Rares from Wotlk until Firelands had a unique look to them. Why do you think that cities are usually filled with those rares?
And think of this for a moment: Green Devilsaur, a Dinosaur not usually found in Sholazar, has a look of a sort of "Jurassic, jungle" feel to it. It isn't just a "green" devilsaur, it's a devilsaur with a coloration that, while different, we can see the colorations are very unique looking.

Nuramoc. A Chimera from outland that is the very symbol of coloration of the Neather. And, with that viewpoint the Green Outland Chimera should've been rare, but oh well. BC was a time before Blizzard really focused on hunter pets.

Now, to me, it feels like Blizzard took unused skins, and put them on this feature to just test it. There could've been thousands of other possibilities to put into this feature, and make it feel rare and themed towards the area they are in.

Unread post by **Qraljar** » Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:13 pm

Gimlion wrote:I'm just trying to get this point across: How can people be so offended and upset by what Blizzard is doing with these tracks, putting in unused skins of other families onto unique creatures (there, didn't say rare, even though I imagine they'll be rares come live), when it has been the norm since vanilla.

Out of all the rare pets in game, I can think of 3 that were made intentionally, just for hunters to tame. These are: Skoll, Gondria, and Arcturis. They are all re-skins, but the unique skins were made specifically for hunters to tame as SBs. Every other Rare in game was either put in to flesh out families, add unused skins, or because the model/skin was already being put in-game, and Blizz decided to let us get a tamable version. It's as simple as that, all evidence points to that. By all means, don't enjoy the new, quirky, exciting way of finding unique beasts, but don't poop on everyone else's parade because of it.

Wait, wait.. what?

Let's just skip to the last line:

"By all means, don't enjoy the new, quirky, exciting way of finding unique beasts, but don't poop on everyone else's parade because of it."

First of all, I think everyone is enjoying the way these beasts are tracked down. It's clever and innovative to a certain point and I've not seen a single person really dislike the method at all.

Second of all, you stomp into a thread called "How I feel about MoP tameable "rares"", read the opening post explaining how the opening poster is negative about it and then shove your opinion down someone else's throat in their own thread made to express a concern or dislike about a small part of the "new rares"; and then when you get a rebuttal, you accuse that person of "pooping on everyone's parade"?

Sorry but I think it was your own fault for barging into this thread and posting after reading the opening post and determining that it was not a thread celebrating the "happy-happy, joy-joy" of these new tames.

Pooping on someone's parade would be if the OP went into a positive thread made to share the screenshots of the new pets and talk about how they enjoy the method and then telling these people that it sucks and that Blizzard is disappointing.

Unread post by **Gimlion** » Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:29 pm

For starters, he actually did post in the thread about enjoying and hunting these rares, 3 times, about how he hated the skins implemented, so that point is invalid.

I am not cramming my opinion down his throat. I'm explaining how his views on these skins are jaded. He has every right to not appreciate the skins being put in, but for him to say it's the first example, and say that LK or Cata did things better, is NOT TRUE. As I mentioned, only 3 skins put in-game during that time period were made strictly for hunter purposes. All others were already in game through other reasons. These beasts are more unique in-game than any of the other rares that the OP has mentioned, all because they were implemented for the purpose of Hunters taming, and are not seen anywhere else in game.

Think about that. Funny huh, that he's mad because he wanted unique, freshly made skins for new "rares", but for all any of us know, these all could have been made for that purpose. I'm going to go ahead and leave this acid-filled spewfest with this, like what you like, and don't like what you don't like, but don't make excuses, or false evidence and reasons, just say you don't like it. None of your reasons hold any validity when compared to the rest of WoW, especially as far as hunter pets go, so I'm not sure why it is such a huge deal.

Have a nice day everyone,this'll likely be the last post in this thread from me I've said my point, I'm done with the debate/argument. The argument is going nowhere.

Gimlion

Unread post by **Slickrock** » Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:37 pm

Gimlion wrote:I am not cramming my opinion down his throat. I'm explaining how his views on these skins are jaded. He has every right to not appreciate the skins being put in, but for him to say it's the first example, and say that LK or Cata did things better, is NOT TRUE.

Again, your option is the only correct one.. you just said it twice here. Imagine that...

Unread post by **Ziarre** » Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:57 pm

Also, offtopic, but I'm sort of getting irritated by the fact that so many people adamantly imply that just because they like these pets, that all should and if other people don't', they're simply wrong. Or that wishing for any other pet than the ones currently available is acting entitled and spoilt because those assumptions, and much worse -- accusations are extremely obnoxious.

My problem isn't with entitlement, although there's a fair pinch of that. The problem is that the OP's logic is terribly, horribly flawed.

Savage is the exact same thing as Krush.
Patrannache (sp?) is the exact same thing as Ashtail.

Feel free to wish for unique models, but don't claim that beasts like those are somehow different from beasts like these. The quality is the same as any other rare whose model isn't unique to one spawn (like Loque'nahak, or Sambas - and there are very few of those, and those are because they HAPPEN to be in the game for other things first).

They're not different. That isn't opinion, it's fact. With that fact in mind, feel free to have whatever opinions you want.

Unread post by **Wain** » Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:11 pm

I was glad PR started this thread. It gives people a place to discuss whether they like the rares or not and to express dissenting views.

It's a shame it turned toxic so quickly. But at least it was here on not on the info thread.

Simply, do not look for ways of taking personal offense at someone else's statements. It's a cheap and dishonest way of trying to gain the upper hand in any discussion. That goes for all sides of this debate.

Secondly, please remember that there are Blizzard staff who read this forum as well. While that shouldn't affect us expressing dislike of something Blizzard has done (far from it), I would expect they receive the same courtesies as any regular poster here, i.e. you don't resort to person levels of attack against the people who created these. I don't think that's actually happened on this thread, but I want to head it off.

Please keep it civil and impersonal. The more polarized a debate is, the more important that becomes.

Finally, I've tried very, very hard to be... moderate... in my moderation. But if someone makes a habit of poisoning almost every thread they touch then I might have to take further action and I really don't want to. If I do, the actions will be indefinite until Mania has time to sort it out.

Unread post by **Gimlion** » Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:48 pm

Ziarre wrote:
Also, offtopic, but I'm sort of getting irritated by the fact that so many people adamantly imply that just because they like these pets, that all should and if other people don't', they're simply wrong. Or that wishing for any other pet than the ones currently available is acting entitled and spoilt because those assumptions, and much worse -- accusations are extremely obnoxious.
My problem isn't with entitlement, although there's a fair pinch of that. The problem is that the OP's logic is terribly, horribly flawed.

Savage is the exact same thing as Krush.
Patrannache (sp?) is the exact same thing as Ashtail.

Feel free to wish for unique models, but don't claim that beasts like those are somehow different from beasts like these. The quality is the same as any other rare whose model isn't unique to one spawn (like Loque'nahak, or Sambas - and there are very few of those, and those are because they HAPPEN to be in the game for other things first).

They're not different. That isn't opinion, it's fact. With that fact in mind, feel free to have whatever opinions you want.

I said I'd likely not post in the thread again. Until I saw this post. This sums up everything I wanted to get across. Only, much neater, cleaner, and nicer. If you still don't understand after Ziarre's post, then the argument is over, as neither side will be accept the others.

Everyone here, regardless of opinion, have an excellent night/afternoon/day/etc. I apologize for my earlier rudeness.

Unread post by **Ziarre** » Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:28 pm

I also apologize if I came across as rude. I was trying not to be, but Ominous Warnings make me a bit paranoid.

Unread post by **Albain** » Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:59 pm

I am ... a tiny bit disappointed Savage's skin is available elsewhere, but take a bit of comfort in knowing it's not there til way later. I could tame Savage at 85, and be the first person with a white siberian.

I am ...absolutely thrilled to see the stone quilin colors though. and Marticar's back.

I think my most important fuss is the pawprint track for the /goat/.

No hoofprint option?

Unread post by **Gimlion** » Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:01 pm

Albain wrote:I am ... a tiny bit disappointed Savage's skin is available elsewhere, but take a bit of comfort in knowing it's not there til way later. I could tame Savage at 85, and be the first person with a white siberian.

I am ...absolutely thrilled to see the stone quilin colors though. and Marticar's back.

I think my most important fuss is the pawprint track for the /goat/. No hoofprint option?

Savage's skin is unique. He's whiter than the gray siberians, as well as having bright blue eyes with no pupils.

YouTube Edition · Unread post by **Kalliope** » Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:04 pm

As for the grey tigers, there's a named one available at 85 in Jade Forest. But Savage is the only white one.

Unread post by **Albain** » Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:05 pm

Looks the same to me. :|a Even side by side in two windows. Hrm! Edit: probably monitor settings. *pokes it*

Unread post by **Ziarre** » Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:06 pm

That's right! Savage is SiberianTigerFrost, Summit Prowlers (and the one Kalli just mentioned) are SiberianTigerWhite.

Frost: http://forums.wow-petopia.com/download/ ... p?id=16128
White: http://forums.wow-petopia.com/download/ ... p?id=16132

There are screenshots of them standing side-by-side but I'm half-asleep and not inclined to track them down myself.

Unread post by **Albain** » Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:08 pm

Yeah. They look basically the same to me, except one has a pupil. I can only assume it's my monitor.

YouTube Edition · Unread post by **Kalliope** » Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:09 pm

It is. The fur colorations are clear, especially in person in zones with good lighting.

Unread post by **Gimlion** » Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:10 pm

Albain wrote:Yeah. They look basically the same to me, except one has a pupil. I can only assume it's my monitor.

I'm going to assume it must be. For me, Frost is much whiter, whereas the "white" is actually a grayish color

Unread post by **Ziarre** » Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:11 pm

Yep! To sum it up:

- One has no pupils in eyes, one has pupils.
- One has a black nose, one has a pink nose.
- One is a bright pure white, the other is a more natural grey-white.

Unread post by **Yoruko** » Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:13 pm

PorrasouxRex wrote:And think of this for a moment: Green Devilsaur, a Dinosaur not usually found in Sholazar, has a look of a sort of "Jurassic, jungle" feel to it. It isn't just a "green" devilsaur, it's a devilsaur with a coloration that, while different, we can see the colorations are very unique looking.

Hmm. I'm pretty sure King Krush would be "just a green devilsaur" if his skin was used on a common mob.

We're just accustomed to thinking of his looks as "rare" right now. The patterns are the same as on all devilsaurs, just different colour.

Personally I feel spirit beasts to be an exception rather than a rule. They all have unique effects to them that are rarely if never found in other families, but are rather consistent inside their own. (Olm not withstanding. As well as maybe the runed demon dogs.) So I'm not so sure how applicable the family is to the, hm, debate.

All in all, what they're doing in MoP looks similar to what they've always done. In my eyes anyway. Maybe they will add some more "shiny" skins or models later on, maybe they won't. *shrug* (You could also argue that the white tiger has unique looks in similar fashion to the way King Krush has. If not more so. It's eyes glow in a way that the other tigers don't and the colour of the skin is more vibrant. It pretty much looks to me like they made it while having some use in mind for it. Such as a challenge tame. Possibly.)

Unread post by **Albain** » Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:19 pm

Ah well. ;-; when I can afford to upgrade monitor I will. Now how about getting that pawprint changed to a hoofprint. :C

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