Pterrorwings: A Discussion (New Poll!)

[Makoes]

(I had edited my post before you quoted to decrease the font size since I didn't realize it would be so big :/ )

And I was more quoting it try try to redirect the thread back to what its suppose to be, rather from the debate it was headed to.

[Silivren]

And I wasn't arguing over what should or shouldn't be tameable the post also says why should/shouldn't they be tameable and I was stating using the "NPC hunters have them so we should too." excuse to me just doesn't work because it isn't always the case.

[Miacoda]

Well I'll just point out that the firedogs isn't a perfect example because those are considered elementals similar to how phoenixes are considered so. <.<;
These are trolls that are taming these things, not minions of Ragnaros controlling elemental puppies. Mere mortals--trolls and now even blood elves and high elves--are capable of taming these beasts whether for mounts or assistance in combat. So I dunno I still consider it a valid argument. The only case I can really think of are hydras (as much as I hate bringing up hydras because as far as I'm concerned that debate is long over) but not only has Blizzard given their seasonings but the trolls didn't really use them like they use Pterrorwings. They were more like slightly controlled gladiator beasts (though I'm sure one day this will change).

[SpiritBinder]

Theres the whole Mogu with Cloud Serpent pets too, you know, just saying

I'm sorry but making such a thread on this site it will always turn into one of those threads no matter what you say on the first post XD

Hahaha, totally!

[cowmuflage]

Well I'll just point out that the firedogs isn't a perfect example because those are considered elementals similar to how phoenixes are considered so. <.<;
These are trolls that are taming these things, not minions of Ragnaros controlling elemental puppies. Mere mortals--trolls and now even blood elves and high elves--are capable of taming these beasts whether for mounts or assistance in combat. So I dunno I still consider it a valid argument. The only case I can really think of are hydras (as much as I hate bringing up hydras because as far as I'm concerned that debate is long over) but not only has Blizzard given their seasonings but the trolls didn't really use them like they use Pterrorwings. They were more like slightly controlled gladiator beasts (though I'm sure one day this will change).

I do think the fact that they are Zandalari trolls and not any other type of troll who use them as pets has something to do with it. Being that they are the first and so the oldest type of troll (hell one of the oldest races even) they are bound to have skills that no other thing has and they don't seem to be the type who would want to share.

Just because we can have them as mounts I don't think that means we should be able to tame them. You could use that argument as a reason why we should be able to tame any thing we have as a mount.

[Miacoda]

It's not because we can have them as mounts, that's not what I'm getting at, that's just one of the things they happen to be used for, it's because non-trolls have now tamed them. (and even though the Zandalar tribe is the oldest, all of the other troll tribes originated from it and although I'm not a troll lore expert I'd imagine the split off tribes have the same capabilities) It's obviously not too hard especially after starting young and treating them well (the Zandalari don't treat them super well and thus use binding rituals or whatever to control them against their will). Especially the treating them well part. They don't appear to be a horribly vicious beast (no matter how much they hurt on Isle of Giants XD) Like if you kill the Zandalari beastmasters, their pterrorwings don't keep on attacking you, they'll fly off to get away from the trolls that have probably hurt them. So it's possible, I'm sure it is.

And of course they're not going to share their knowledge. They didn't openly share their knowledge of taming direhorns--another powerful beast that they treat similarly to the Pterrorwings--we had to take it from them.

These things are beasts, they can be tamed by mortals, it just makes sense to me. And if never a hunter tame... at least more than one mount would be nice. >_<

[Qraljar]

At this point, it's actually not even up to opinion anymore. Unlike before, Pterrorwings are just as viable a pet as Direhorns. The fact is just that Blizzard didn't want them as pets (yet). It makes me sad, to be honest, but I won't throw a fit because of it. I just hope they become tameable someday.


I'm sorry, but you can't tell me that "Zandalari might want to keep their methods secret" is a viable argument when we can perfectly acquire the secrets to taming their other favored pet: the Direhorn. It just doesn't add up.


But yeah, aside from Direhorns, these would've made the perfect 5.2 pets, and I somehow feel it was a missed opportunity to not make them tameable alongside the new Direhorns and Devilsaur models.

Then again, in my opinion, this expansion has had a lot of missed opportunities when it comes to pets: porcupines, silkworms, etc over Kunchong, Mushan, Yaks and now Pterrorwings as well. I respect that some people love their porcupines for instance, because even I can see a silly charm in them that, despite not affecting me, I realize might be something others are fond of.

But for those who feel rather left in the dark in terms of pet love, I'm very positive that over time, more of these pets will become tameable, much like this is always the case with every new expansions and sometimes patches. See: basilisks, and the really surprising fenstriders.


And if that isn't positive enough, we always have Wain being generous enough to share whatever information he can with us, as well as Noah - who also uses some of his own time to make us hunters happy rather frequently. Now I'm not trying to say anything is 100% guaranteed, but I'm sure the message will eventually (if it hasn't already) reach Blizzard devs, and maybe they are already thinking about a certain expansion or patch to release them in?

Who knows? We'll just have to hope until then.


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[Aggannor]

Well said Qraljar.

[Zhinru]

I never understand people going "I don't want to tame them so I want everybody to be unable to tame them". Because "we have enough pets already" is merely a variant of this. You have enough pets and don't want to tame anymore? Fine, then don't, but don't go against people who want new stuff. It wouldn't affect you, while others may have fun with it.

There really is no in-universe reason for things like pterrorwings being untameable. Zandalari can do it, and we've proven able to follow their footsteps with another pet family. The only thing keeping many potential pet families from tameability is an arbitrary decision from upstairs. I would understand if they wanted to hold stuff back for a cool future feature. I do not understand going just "we don't like those as pets".

[cowmuflage]

It's not because we can have them as mounts, that's not what I'm getting at,

Thats what you sounded like you where getting at the way you worded it.


I don't even no why I bothered to say my opinion on this >.>

[GormanGhaste]

I never understand people going "I don't want to tame them so I want everybody to be unable to tame them".

I don't think anyone here has been saying that. Even though I prefer smaller pets, I'd be perfectly content with these becoming tameable for others, as long as they didn't give them a unique skill set.

[TygerDarkstorm]

I never understand people going "I don't want to tame them so I want everybody to be unable to tame them".

I don't think anyone here has been saying that. Even though I prefer smaller pets, I'd be perfectly content with these becoming tameable for others, as long as they didn't give them a unique skill set.

While not being that exact wording:

I don't agree that they should be tameable. I think we have enough tameable pets already.

That comes close.

This is Petopia; there was bound to be a thread popping up about these beauties and I'm sure the majority of people around here will want them to become tamable, even if Blizzard says no. Hell, we still have people going out of their way to try and cheat mechanics so they can tame the appearance buff pets even though Blizzard has made it pretty clear they don't want us doing that.

It doesn't hurt for those of us that really want them to hope that they'll become tamable someday.

Edit: I feel like I should add that there's nothing wrong with not wanting something to be tamable, just as there's nothing wrong with people hoping for something untamable to become tamable. Differing opinions make the world go round. You also can't get upset about posting just because somebody disagrees with you.

[cowmuflage]

Sorry for saying that sheesh >.>

I'm not upset by the way I'm just getting sick of people acting like it's wrong or mean to say I don't think it should be tameable.

[Sesamee]

And I wasn't arguing over what should or shouldn't be tameable the post also says why should/shouldn't they be tameable and I was stating using the "NPC hunters have them so we should too." excuse to me just doesn't work because it isn't always the case.

Actually I think that is a perfectly good rationale. IMO a pet tameable in game by NPC hunters should be tameable by hunter players. Blizzard can do it if they choose to put the effort and resources into it.

Ghostcrawler has already said that they considered making Hydras tameable but it's a matter of fixing mechanics. They just haven't chosen to invest in that yet. They can theoretically do the same for any in game beast.

Heck they've even changed the status of demons (dogs) to make them tameable by hunters. Blizz can pretty much do whatever it wants. The head honchos just have to want to do it enough.

I'd love to have tameable Pterrowings. That said I'm still desperately waiting for tameable Yaks. And Mushan! I know it has nothing to do with the OP but I like to throw it out in the WoW universe as often as I can!

[Equeon]

Very well said, you two! While reading through these replies, you guys managed to address everything I was going to.

Like Qraljar said, we can do nothing but hope the message reaches Blizzard. It's too bad there isn't some kind of "petition" website for WoW, where certain ideas with the highest votes get evaluated by the devs.
(Obviously posts such as BRING VANILLA BACK would get filtered out.)

[Dialga]

I wanted the Pterrors far, far more than I wanted the Direhorns. Doubly sad that the only mount model of them is rather difficult and I probably won't be able to obtain it until several patches later, even with a progression raiding guild. And honestly if you're going to argue 'well keep it to the Zandalari it's their magic' that's a bit silly as we can already learn their magic through a book to tame the Direhorns and there's really little difference between them and the pterrors.

[Azunara]

It's an alright idea. My only main qualm against it is the fact that it is BM specific. The direhorns, as far as I can tell, were not Exotic only, so I don't see why the pterrowings should be. I feel like everyone should have the dinosaur love.

[TygerDarkstorm]

It's an alright idea. My only main qualm against it is the fact that it is BM specific. The direhorns, as far as I can tell, were not Exotic only, so I don't see why the pterrowings should be. I feel like everyone should have the dinosaur love.

Ditto, I would prefer them to be non-exotic if they become tamable so all hunters can enjoy them.

[Wain]

I don't want to completely side-track this discussion. And I'm glad people are sorting through the dramas and agreeing to disagree.

But for a moment, I'm just curious which beast or beastly non-beast families, are used as "pets" by hunter-like NPCs but aren't tameable by us. I can think of:

• Shoveltusks (by Howling Wolvar Trainers in HF... very much a hunter tame, you even see the love heart tame animation)
• Hellhounds (by various Salamander hunters in Firelands)
• Pterodactyls/pterrordaxes/pterrorwings (by Zandalari on Thunder Isle)
• Cloud Serpents (by Mogu on Shan'ze Dao)
• Kunchong (by various mantids, though they seem to be used more as siege beasts, I can't recall an actual mantid-kunchong pair like you'd expect with a hunter)
• Mana wyrms (by blood elves, but perhaps they're more like a mage familiar than a hunter pet)

[Apaché]

i'll be honest, i would love pterrowings to be tameble, and i will bet you they will be soon. but guys, can we please not forget how much blizzard has done for us? i'm not trying to be rude to anyone here, but take advantage of what we have and not ask for more. i mean, remember the glitched pets? blizz was trying to do us a favor and we end up abusing the exploit to have a different pet. lets forget what we want and take advantage of what we have.