Flying in WoW Discussion

Pokefarm · Unread post by **Lisaara** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:36 pm

Azunara wrote:I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure WoW is one of the only games that have the whole flying mount system. Many of the games I've played in various formats simply didn't have the whole flying mount system. Hell, they didn't have mounts. MMO wise, GW2 is a big one I'm thinking of here without mounts or anything like the sort. RPG wise, Skyrim is huge popular with an endless ton of mountains--and yet everyone's cool with no flying there.

Are the mountains a nuisance some times? Yes. Fine. Whatever. Is it going to be the end of the world if we can't fly anymore? I doubt it. I certainly don't think it's going to be the huge gamer base dropping like you predict Adam--after all, the quick sampling here shows many people are okay with it and that the minor annoyances certainly don't outweigh the fun. If no flying is truly a game breaker, then it's a good thing no one is forcing you to play.

You are correct. No other MMO does flying so I think a lot of us are a bit spoiled with flying in WoW. So then we don't have it and some are a bit grumpy about it.

Unread post by **AdamSavage** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:42 pm

They did do a good job with the flight paths, and I don't see many tweaks that could be done with them really. So I will give them that.. As for the loss in sub base, it's hard to say.. Nobody believed the trolls that said WoW is dying, and granted they where wrong. However, wow did have a massive sub base loss. Nobody really knew how low it had gotten, till MMO posted that graph. It had been dropping off sense the best expansion so far, that in my opinion was Wrath.

Pokefarm · Unread post by **Lisaara** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:50 pm

Except now they're back up to 10 mil subs so I'm really not fond of hearing the whole "They're losing subs!" thing. It really has no weight in anything since the sub loss they had was due to China(atleast 95% of it), which has been posted about on MMO Champion and even Blizzard themselves directly.

Unread post by **cowmuflage** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:56 pm

Even at their lowest they had more subs then nearly every other MMO XD

Pokefarm · Unread post by **Lisaara** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 3:56 pm

Yup. Lowest they ever got was like...6 - 7 mil. No other mmo has ever come come close to that number so it's not like that's an alarming thing.

Unread post by **SylviaDragon** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 6:40 pm

Not happy about it but I saw it coming. I have had my moment of fun with ground exploration and jumping puzzles. (and honestly if you are going to make a jumping puzzle STOP COVERING EVERYTHING WITH TREE LEAVES SO I CANT SEE WHAT I'M DOING UGH!) *ahem* so yeah, don't like it but i knew it would happen. I do not enjoy spending 15- thirty min just trying to figure out how to get to a tree or a quest item or just the bloody exit because someone thought it would be cool to make it hidden or stick it at the top of a mountain.
also to be honest although i think the wolves are cool and i like my iron tusk, most wod mounts are not my thing. not big on the big, chunky mounts and that's pretty much what i am stuck with. I like flying and i love flying mounts so not having any to collect this xpack is a big deal for me, since i pretty much play for the mounts.
It seems like this xpack had a huge focus on bringing back old players and those old players threaten to quit again if they add flying. I feel like Blizz will be favoring that side of the argument unless they notice a big shift since the other half of the player base is more likely to live with it regardless of how they feel.
I do expect flying to makes its comeback eventually. everything will grow stale at some point and players will just want to get things done. so maybe in a few patches we will see changes.

p.s is there any particular forum we can submit our grounded complaints too? at the very least i would like to have a stable master added to my garrison that is not tied to a special building. having to run to the nearest town to grab a new pet is so annoying.

Unread post by **Jurz** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:31 pm

I agree with Sylvia. It was fun at first but between school and work, I've barely had time to play. I'm level 94, and I'm hoping that I will have enough time off from work over winter break to be able to hit 100 and get geared enough to run the anniversary raid. I will probably have to lose a lot of sleep in order to do so, which I hate cuz I don't get as much sleep as I'd like during the school year so I kinda want my sleep during break. If I could fly, then I wouldn't be spending so much time trying to navigate around TREES! and MOUNTAINS! UGH! Sometimes I spend a good amount of time trying to find this thing for this one quest that requires me to find some cave in a mountain that's surrounded by other mountains, or an opening in the brambles, or just an exit from Gorgrond! and spending a good 30mins running around when I get an hour, maybe two, to play a week! yeah, I'm upset. I can see why others would love it, makes it more of an adventure, yeah, but I don't just cuz I don't have that kind of time. I know other college students do, but I'm also a science major. Any of those here? You sign up for 3 science classes and it's like taking 6 classes between lecture, lab, homework for both, etc. My Organic Chem class is 5 credits. 5! I barely have time to do decently well in that class cuz I work all the time, so I definitely don't have time to run into mountains and trees on wow.

I just wanna hit 100 and run the raid T.T Why is that so hard

And this is coming from someone who played Vanilla, so I have dealed without flying and didn't care at the time. I also had more time to play wow though, and wasn't rushing to level cuz there was no reason to

Unread post by **AdamSavage** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 10:43 pm

You could try on the reddit topic that was created: http://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/2o ... loper_ama/

Beyond on that, I don't know how to give them suggestion they claim they want to hear from the community.

Pokefarm · Unread post by **Lisaara** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 11:09 pm

WoW Forums too. Also I recommend making suggestions that isn't chiming the same "We want flying back!" cause they are very much against putting it back in. They've hated it ever since it was introduced. Instead, try suggesting things to make no-flying a bit easier.

Unread post by **AdamSavage** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 11:18 pm

Junrei wrote:WoW Forums too. Also I recommend making suggestions that isn't chiming the same "We want flying back!" cause they are very much against putting it back in. They've hated it ever since it was introduced. Instead, try suggesting things to make no-flying a bit easier.

Yet they keep making new mounts that can fly.. They dedicated an entire expansion around flying.. Cata was the first expansion, that you where able to fly from day one. It was handy, but it didn't speed things up.

I think this person said it best:

The worst thing about it is, its like they are trying to put toothpaste back in the tube, put the genie back in the bottle, etc etc. Its done and over with, they can't take it back, yet they try anyways? For what? Whiny pvpers. Same reason ashran is such a mess. Honestly they need to split the pvp game off from the main game 100%. Tired of it ruining my fun. Class nerfs -> pvp balance. Can't do my daily -> Ashran needs balance so its not dominated by 1 faction (sorry but world pvp should always be whoever has the most guys wins). Wah I want random world pvp -> So pvers can't fly. Honestly all of the negative things aside from personal loot in this expac are squarly at the feet of pvp players.

Unread post by **AdamSavage** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 11:20 pm

Oh and they talk about wanting the game to be more "impressive" Yet we AFK in our Garrisons all day, when we are not doing dungeons, raids etc. It's like our own personal Stormwind.

Source: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/15354967240

Wasn't that the big push by Blizzard? To be out and immersed in the world, take in the sights, get some feels from some nostalgic nods?

Can't help but notice that view is largely, almost entirely negated by Garrisons, as if they're two wildly opposing design directions.

My Garrison is my own personal Stormwind, complete with everything I need to literally never step foot out of it, save for a few moments a day. Only really to complete my daily Apexis, or to gather some extra materials. If I went to Trashcan at all, maybe twice total, it was for Blueprints (but then there's a vendor for that past a point).

I've gone to Stormwind maybe, maybe four to five times, total. Only that much because I hadn't built my auctioneer yet. On-top of that, I've a fishing shack, mine, and herb garden, and my materials largely come to me. When I do go out to grab mats it's out of sheer boredom.

My followers bring home the bacon as well. Gold, gear, resource, etc. All while I wait in the queue, or post auctions, grab work orders, or Fish.

So where in the world is my incentive to go out and do things? Even when raids open, am I going to go out into the world again? Probably not. Where's the need to? Apexis, okay, some crafting mats if I'm feeling it, but no there really isn't.

Blizzard, I have to admire the usefulness of Garrisons and the job you've done on them, but my god did you guys go overboard. You've literally brought Stormwind and Orgrimmar to Draenor. And I'm not sure that was such a good thing.

I'm literally a stone's throw from being entirely self sufficient. To a point where I can stand on my tower, and give the finger to the rest of Draenor.

Unread post by **cowmuflage** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 11:47 pm

No ones forcing you to be AFK in your Garrison all day.

Unread post by **AdamSavage** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 11:56 pm

cowmuflage wrote:No ones forcing you to be AFK in your Garrison all day.

Nobody is saying you are either, but he has some pretty valid points. He isn't making it up either. Nowhere does he say that you are forced to.

Unread post by **cowmuflage** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:06 am

AdamSavage wrote:
cowmuflage wrote:No ones forcing you to be AFK in your Garrison all day.
Nobody is saying you are either, but he has some pretty valid points. He isn't making it up either. Nowhere does he say that you are forced to.

I was talking about you actually. It was aimed at the "Yet we AFK in our Garrisons all day" comment.

Unread post by **AdamSavage** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:10 am

cowmuflage wrote:I was talking about you actually. It was aimed at the "Yet we AFK in our Garrisons all day" comment.

It's purely optional, but like the OP and myself said.. It's basically what you do. I can harvest here. I can queue here. I can bank here. I can manage follower missions while watching Netflix here. Auction house, that too. (If I had the parts, but the option is present) Rested XP can be generated here, and I can even gear up here....

Wouldn't it be perfect if Poundfist spawned in Garrison? How about being able to form your own raid group, and go raid a horde garrison or another players ? I think that would be fun. Nothing like a good old plunder.

Unread post by **Castile** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:12 am

I don't actually get his gripe tbh - when i reached 100 i haven't done a fraction of the quests so theres still things out there to do. And I love the self sufficency of my garrison...I can make a weapon without spending buttloads on matts or having to send myself broke to get into a raid. I guess if you play all day everyday and only have one toon you could say that but someone who has limited play time and lots of alts to lvl and make garrisons etc with I will be busy for some time to come. Just my POV though.

Unread post by **AdamSavage** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:16 am

Castile wrote:I don't actually get his gripe tbh - when i reached 100 i haven't done a fraction of the quests so theres still things out there to do. And I love the self sufficency of my garrison...I can make a weapon without spending buttloads on matts or having to send myself broke to get into a raid. I guess if you play all day everyday and only have one toon you could say that but someone who has limited play time and lots of alts to lvl and make garrisons etc with I will be busy for some time to come. Just my POV though.

I love it myself.. I still think it's amusing on how much can be done in a single area, vs going out into the world like Blizzards wants you to do.

Pokefarm · Unread post by **Lisaara** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 1:46 am

I dunno about you Adam, but I don't AFK in my garrison all day. Ever. So lets not assume everyone does. The fact the guy assumes everyone does already makes him invalid in my book. I'm sorry that he refuses to leave his garrison but a lot of us do and actually go do something. There's reps to grind, treasure to find, lumber to chop, etc. I've always got something to do.

Unread post by **AdamSavage** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 2:27 am

Junrei wrote:I dunno about you Adam, but I don't AFK in my garrison all day. Ever. So lets not assume everyone does. The fact the guy assumes everyone does already makes him invalid in my book. I'm sorry that he refuses to leave his garrison but a lot of us do and actually go do something. There's reps to grind, treasure to find, lumber to chop, etc. I've always got something to do.

I dunno about you, but I tend to not put imply people have said something when they haven't. I never said everyone does. What I said was, is that it what you do basically. Not everyone is going to do the same, but a large number of people do.

I don't care about "Treasure hunting" This isn't Treasure Island. I have well over 200k in gold, I don't need treasures. I know how to make gold when I need to.. I get enough junk/vendor stuff from crates of salvage as it is... As for the Timber Mill... With 21 work orders to fill, you basically only need to grab a few tree's while doing the daily or on route to or from the daily. That being said, I'm not sure I will even have a lumber for much longer. I have over 2,700 Garrison Resources and that's with spamming the follower missions. I have a lvl 3 mine, JC, Timber Mill, Salvage yard, Garrison and Eng building. Don't care about fishing.. I hate fishing in the game.. The Herb place will be lvl 3 in a few days at most. Working on my battle pet building currently. Those don't really take much garrison supplies.

Go read through a few pages of the Forum. You will see I'm not the only one who spends most of the time in the Garrison. I do go out and lvl up some battle pets, but that doesn't take long as I have a good system in place, with several alts in key locations to help with this. I don't even need to do heroics anymore, because I don't need anything. I could do them to get the lvl 3 inn but I will eventually get to it.

I'm also not complaining about it.. I'm simply try to make a point, that seems to be falling on deaf ears. The point being that the garrisons have gone overboard with being self sufficient.. I can't even farm anymore.. The ore and are herbs are quickly becoming worthless, because the supply is much larger then the demand. It has it's perks.. but you can't deny how this basically caused a large number of people to barely leave the Garrison.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic ... 40?page=16

Unread post by **Danielfboone** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 3:38 am

Junrei wrote:WoW Forums too. Also I recommend making suggestions that isn't chiming the same "We want flying back!" cause they are very much against putting it back in. They've hated it ever since it was introduced. Instead, try suggesting things to make no-flying a bit easier.

Hated it since it was introduced? When was that ever said or even suggested?

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