Why should SV / MM hunters get Exotic Beast families?

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Re: Why should SV / MM hunters get Exotic Beast families?

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Let me put it this way, what if training the pet was an optional talent, and you could pick that, or pick something that would boost your special shot damage by 20% or something similar to offset the loss of the pet dps? Would you take that? I think most raiding MM hunters would. Given how I see MM pets treated in raids, I would say a lot don't really care about their pets. (Obviously the MM hunters here DO care, but I'm not sure you are the vast majority)
Excellent, I would love this change^^ Really, compensating the DPS loss from having a pet would make BM hunters even more special, and MMs could carry on with their "I ROLLZ HUNTAR FOR AIMD SHOT LULZR"

Really, I did roll hunter for the pet mainly, not some shitty talented shot to spam in icc
I actually think this is a very nice idea. It's true, I see a lot of hunters that clearly don't care for their pet much, they just see it as another weapon slot to be equipped with the 'best'. Usually they just run with an unnamed wolf or give it some horrible name.

I think something like that definitely has potential. I know there are people out there that like the idea of hunters as more of a ranger class, not necessarily due to a love of animals or pets. Obviously the bulk of us here on Petopia are crazy about our pets, but a different type of hunter would be interesting to see.
Yep, many raiding hunters treat their wolves as stat sticks, so why not just talent it, and remove the pet? I bet most would go for it.
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I see a lot of hunters that clearly don't care for their pet much, they just see it as another weapon slot to be equipped with the 'best'. Usually they just run with an unnamed wolf or give it some horrible name.
I see this too. It makes me wonder why they even rolled a hunter.
Because it was the first toon they tried, when they didn't know anything else... and it's easy to level.
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I would only agree for exotics for all speccs for one reason.

If BM got equivalents for shots like MM and SV have.

Sofar all we get is a nature version of Steady Shot that most likely will get the same buffs and bonuses that we already have for Steady in the BM tree.

So if SV and MM want a Devilsaur?

Fine.

Give me your Explosive Shot and or Black Arrow, or give me Chimera Shot and or Silence Shot.

Until then, Exotics are mine all mine for my BM hunters, not for your SV or MM hunters.
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Ryai wrote:I would only agree for exotics for all speccs for one reason.

If BM got equivalents for shots like MM and SV have.

Sofar all we get is a nature version of Steady Shot that most likely will get the same buffs and bonuses that we already have for Steady in the BM tree.

So if SV and MM want a Devilsaur?

Fine.

Give me your Explosive Shot and or Black Arrow, or give me Chimera Shot and or Silence Shot.
But what's the difference between the specs then?..
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I think all pets should be available for all hunters. Pets are an integral part of the hunter class, and is what many of the people know (non-Petopians) rolled the class for in the first place.

I think it's better that BM be made viable, rather than keep a drowning spec afloat with a cheap exploitation of hunter sentimentality. People should be playing BM (or any other spec) because they enjoy the playstyle, not because they feel compelled to in order to get that one pet who would make a perfect companion for their hunter.
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I'd still like to see a Ranger class made... Something that doesn't get pets, but can Either be like a MM hunter, or a Rogue, or some third spec, that way, the fools who just use pets as stat sticks can either re-roll or be left out by true hunters. That, and I'd just love to have something similar to how Legolas can fight. LoTR ftw. =)

And I would disagree on your statement about how Exotics are the only thing keeping BM 'afloat' Kryte. Hell, with how I've seen some hardcore BM raiders do things, and put their adversaries in their places, i wouldn't even call it a 'Drowning' spec.

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Kryte wrote:I think all pets should be available for all hunters. Pets are an integral part of the hunter class, and is what many of the people know (non-Petopians) rolled the class for in the first place.

I think it's better that BM be made viable, rather than keep a drowning spec afloat with a cheap exploitation of hunter sentimentality. People should be playing BM (or any other spec) because they enjoy the playstyle, not because they feel compelled to in order to get that one pet who would make a perfect companion for their hunter.
And under your view, give MM exotics and then BM can be officially outlawed from end-game? Because that is what it would do.

We need more distinction between the trees, not homoginization.
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Has this been announced? Or are we just discussing the possibility? I apologize -- I've been out of it the past few days.
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Mania wrote:Has this been announced? Or are we just discussing the possibility? I apologize -- I've been out of it the past few days.
Just discussion...
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Slickrock wrote:
Ryai wrote:I would only agree for exotics for all speccs for one reason.

If BM got equivalents for shots like MM and SV have.

Sofar all we get is a nature version of Steady Shot that most likely will get the same buffs and bonuses that we already have for Steady in the BM tree.

So if SV and MM want a Devilsaur?

Fine.

Give me your Explosive Shot and or Black Arrow, or give me Chimera Shot and or Silence Shot.
But what's the difference between the specs then?..
You don't get what I'm saying- BM wanting Explosive/Black Arrow and or Chimera/Silence shot is NO DIFFERENT than MM or Surv wanting Exotics tameable by ALL speccs.
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I agree the specs need to be redone. I think one of the specs should be petless. I like the idea of a true ranger class. I do not, think that all specs should be able to tame the same pets. The way I look at Bm is that I'm there to support my pet, not the other way around. I wouldn't mind Blizz taking away damage from me and boosting my pet's abilities. I feel BM pets should be the main focus of the BM spec. Now I know people are going to say it's not fair because if the pet dies, so does their dps, but really, how many BM hunters allow their pets to die. I sure as hell don't. I will make sure my last dying breath and once of mana is used healing my pet.

Now for some crazy talk... If Blizz is going to allow any spec hunter to tame any beast, then they need to allow any spec hunter to talent into those specialized shots that MM/SV have. Maybe they need to do away with the 3 specs and just put all the talents into one tree and let people pick and choose what they want. This could work for any class. I mean really, isn't that what most people do anyway? Spread their talent points between 2 or 3 trees? Stop classifying specs. No more fire mage, or resto druid, or prot pally. Just let people spec how they want and stop calling them names. Can't we all just get along?

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Slickrock wrote:
Mania wrote:Has this been announced? Or are we just discussing the possibility? I apologize -- I've been out of it the past few days.
Just discussion...
Thanks! I was afraid something major had slipped by me. ;)
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Gimlion wrote:I'd still like to see a Ranger class made... Something that doesn't get pets, but can Either be like a MM hunter, or a Rogue, or some third spec, that way, the fools who just use pets as stat sticks can either re-roll or be left out by true hunters. That, and I'd just love to have something similar to how Legolas can fight. LoTR ftw. =)

And I would disagree on your statement about how Exotics are the only thing keeping BM 'afloat' Kryte. Hell, with how I've seen some hardcore BM raiders do things, and put their adversaries in their places, i wouldn't even call it a 'Drowning' spec.
I don't raid, so I can't really speak to the viability of anything. I'm basing my argument on the doom and gloom pronouncements in this thread, that BM would be a dead spec if not for exotics. To me, that sounds ridiculous. Now, I love pets, but that ultimately comes down to saying, "I'm only this spec because of a cosmetic." That, to me, is messed up. A person should be, say, speccing Shadow because they like the spec, not because Shadow form turns them purple. If that really is the only reason that people spec BM, then there's something fundamentally wrong with the spec, and it should be reworked.

RE: the petless hunter. I think that's better left as a new "Ranger" type class, giving it a bit more melee utility and the like, but still having a focus on ranged combat. And I wouldn't be too harsh on the people who just use their pets as "stat-sticks" when raiding. I've seen some people even here, on a site meant for obvious pet-lovers, view their wolves as a mere means to an end, kept around only because they needed it for their raid group. It's not to say they don't have other pets that they cherish.
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I'm sorry but makeing us non BM hunetrs petless is a dickarss thing to say. Some of us don't like BM playstyle but still like our pets maybe you should think about that first before posting.......

Edit: sorry to be angry but im sick of hearing BM hunters say us non BM don't like our pets and if we truly did we would be BM and not MM i don't want to change spec just so i can have a pet cos some uptight BM hunter thinks i don't like mine.
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cowmuflage wrote:I'm sorry but makeing us non BM hunetrs petless is a dickarss thing to say. Some of us don't like BM playstyle but still like our pets maybe you should think about that first before posting.......
just a suggestion... just like the suggestion that MM should get exotics.
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cowmuflage wrote: sorry to be angry but im sick of hearing BM hunters say us non BM don't like our pets and if we truly did we would be BM and not MM i don't want to change spec just so i can have a pet cos some uptight BM hunter thinks i don't like mine.
Never said you didn't love your pets... but... your rage about having your pets taken away is the same rage felt by BM hunters when MM hunters say they should get exotics too. Should MM get explosive shot as well?...
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I was getting angry mostly at certan people who have posted here saying takeing MM pets away was a good idea.
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Kryte wrote:I don't raid, so I can't really speak to the viability of anything. I'm basing my argument on the doom and gloom pronouncements in this thread, that BM would be a dead spec if not for exotics. To me, that sounds ridiculous. Now, I love pets, but that ultimately comes down to saying, "I'm only this spec because of a cosmetic." That, to me, is messed up. A person should be, say, speccing Shadow because they like the spec, not because Shadow form turns them purple. If that really is the only reason that people spec BM, then there's something fundamentally wrong with the spec, and it should be reworked.
To be fair, BM would still be viable for those not interested in end-game content, but it would be really silly to bring a BM to a raid if MM had exotics as well. It's not just the skins, it's the extra dps or utility that exotics bring.

But yes, issues of playstyle aside, BM is that weak, that any further dillution of the spec could push it over the edge.

If MM had exotics, what would be the difference then? BM pets get to turn big and red (with less dps)?..

Various folk here enjoy the different playstyles. That's cool. But if you take part of that playstyle (exotics), and give that to another spec, with nothing in return, is that fair?
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cowmuflage wrote:I was getting angry mostly at certan people who have posted here saying takeing MM pets away was a good idea.
I'd like to see it as an option.

When I see a hunter in raids that doesn't even bother to send his pet in to attack, ever.. then something is wrong. The pet is just a stat-stick at that point.
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Who says you would get nothing in return? you might get something good like er i dunno extra pet buffs or something that would fit in with the BM theme unlike giveing them more shots unless the shots buffed the pet or something.
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