Is a Wasp Concidered rude in 5mans?

[Kalliope]

Yep. :/

I'd rather run with my bear. Or at least my cat. But my guild is hunter-heavy and competative, so....no choice. :/

[Helio]

Ah well...that is however understandable.

[FuzzyDolly]

Try Blacksting from Zanger. Beautiful wasp skin. Jet black with yellow/orange/ red tip. ALsmot looks like he's on fire. It's funny you mention flaming puppies. I have the white core hound Kurken and in raids I get bombarded with comments about how much noise he makes when he walks... Then it's my devilsaur is too big... then it's Gondria's spirit strike doesn't do enough dps (Which is about equal with my devilsaur). So i had to get a wolf. I find it ironic that randoms and raids would rather me run with a newly trined lvl 75 wolf and one of my lvl 80 pets. The world really is one minded that wolfs should be the only hunter pet.

[FlightofthePhoenix]

Try Blacksting from Zanger. Beautiful wasp skin. Jet black with yellow/orange/ red tip. ALsmot looks like he's on fire. It's funny you mention flaming puppies. I have the white core hound Kurken and in raids I get bombarded with comments about how much noise he makes when he walks... Then it's my devilsaur is too big... then it's Gondria's spirit strike doesn't do enough dps (Which is about equal with my devilsaur). So i had to get a wolf. I find it ironic that randoms and raids would rather me run with a newly trined lvl 75 wolf and one of my lvl 80 pets. The world really is one minded that wolfs should be the only hunter pet.

I'd still use whatever pet I felt comfortable with. Some people may complain but if they think they can do your job better, they should try. Just you wait and there'll be a whole new best pet. Wouldn't your tactics and gear make much more of a difference anyway?

[Rhyela]

Try Blacksting from Zanger. Beautiful wasp skin. Jet black with yellow/orange/ red tip. ALsmot looks like he's on fire. It's funny you mention flaming puppies. I have the white core hound Kurken and in raids I get bombarded with comments about how much noise he makes when he walks... Then it's my devilsaur is too big... then it's Gondria's spirit strike doesn't do enough dps (Which is about equal with my devilsaur). So i had to get a wolf. I find it ironic that randoms and raids would rather me run with a newly trined lvl 75 wolf and one of my lvl 80 pets. The world really is one minded that wolfs should be the only hunter pet.

I'd still use whatever pet I felt comfortable with. Some people may complain but if they think they can do your job better, they should try. Just you wait and there'll be a whole new best pet. Wouldn't your tactics and gear make much more of a difference anyway?

I'm sure I could probably do a little more dps with a wolf, but as of yet I am still leading the charts on DPS with both my devilsaur and spirit beast. So the nay-sayers can kiss my dino's patootie. I'll take the pet I wanna take, dang it! At least so far no one has said anything about Apollyon's size.

[Kalliope]

I get all sorts of positive comments on my Arcturis in 5ms....but then again, my hunter with him isn't 80. >_>

I'm not raiding with her, so I can do what I want. xD

[Ana]

When i had a wasp no one made comment about its size.. but then again i had

that to me is more pretty then the blue wasp :9 I have even considered dropping my wolf for it.. but sigh the ap buff.. i wish blizzard would make it a feorcity pet talent like they did with thunderstomp in tenacity

[Helio]

Like Tarnfalk said..AP buff for all Ferocity pets please!

[Akyo]

I have even considered dropping my wolf for it.. but sigh the ap buff.. i wish blizzard would make it a feorcity pet talent like they did with thunderstomp in tenacity

You realise that if they did that the wolves will lose their familiy skill right? Blizzard would be forced to create a new one.
also i highly doubt we will ever see..uhm for example a devilsaur with fero howl.
sure it would make other fero pets more likeable but you will still have to consider each familys special skill next to it. even if every pet had fero howl things wouldnt change much, devilsaurs, raptors and cats would stay at the topp like always thanks to their family skill.

[Akyo]

take the thunderstomp on tenacity pets. They all can learn it, but there are those that does better than others thanks to familiy skill.
Like the bears and crocs. You can use a scorpid or turtle if you want and they all do good, but some does better.

[Rhyela]

You realise that if they did that the wolves will lose their familiy skill right? Blizzard would be forced to create a new one.
also i highly doubt we will ever see..uhm for example a devilsaur with fero howl.
sure it would make other fero pets more likeable but you will still have to consider each familys special skill next to it. even if every pet had fero howl things wouldnt change much, devilsaurs, raptors and cats would stay at the topp like always thanks to their family skill.

Yes, but they did that with gorillas! Granted, I rarely see gorillas anymore, but at least I don't see the same tenacity pet over and over and over.

They could easily (in my opinion, anyway) make a new family skill for wolves. Give it something like "Rabid Bite: Causes [rank] damage and lowers target's attack power by [rank] for 10 seconds". Yeah, similiar to a carrion bird, but a bird's is AoE. So give the wolf's more damage on the initial hit. And yes, that would mean that Furious Howl could be very powerful when coupled with a devilsaur/raptor/cat, but Thunderstomp is equally tantalizing when coupled with a bear's Swipe. And I still think it would give people more flexibility. You'll always have those preferred pets, but I don't think it should be limited to one (wolf). Devilsaurs are a beast mastery pet, anyway, and P.Dawg knows we could use the buff. But people would then be able to bring wasps (who doesn't like an armor debuff?), cats, raptors, etc., you know...something they like!

I completely understand where you're coming from, but it's not like it hasn't been done before. They could, and should, do it again. Again, just my opinion though.

[Rhyela]

take the thunderstomp on tenacity pets. They all can learn it, but there are those that does better than others thanks to familiy skill.
Like the bears and crocs. You can use a scorpid or turtle if you want and they all do good, but some does better.

And using your point for the sake of my argument - there will ALWAYS be pets that perform better than others. It should not, however, be limited to one. Wouldn't you agree that giving all tenacity pets the Thunderstomp talent improved things? Before, it used to be gorillas as far as the eye could see. Now, I can use my Sheldon without having to worry, because he too has Thunderstomp! I'm sure that not every hunter out there that has a wolf has one because it's their favorite pet - they bring it because they've been told that they must. Making Furious Howl a talent would greatly improve the pet diversity, which is what being a hunter should be all about. They don't make 40 (just tossing the number out there) pet families so that everyone can use the same one. Yeah, cats and raptors and devilsaurs would still perform better than say...a carrion bird or a hyena, but at least people wouldn't be harrassed for bringing said pets (well, not as much anyway). And besides, those three still perform better than the other more unusual pets anyway, so not much would change there, either.

[Akyo]

its alright. im just a bit itchy on that subject. wolves are my fav pets, had em sins the beginning where they where + armor pets.
And i totaly loved it when they finaly where placed as dps pets and bite was a focus dump skill.
I understand Thunderstomp to all tanking pets as its a vital aggro building skill. fero pets have imo already plently of dps buffs in their tree.
personaly id rather see the howl changing to a pet self buff like so many pets already have (moths, devils, raptors on crits) and rather see a new skill or skill change on my BM tree. (this is more personal but i do not feel that MM and survival need anny extra pet buffs(imma get yelled at now)).

[Vephriel]

I like your idea, Edrawr!

At first I had the same misgivings that Akyo was mentioning. If they gave Ferocity pets a Furious Howl sort of talent, then instead of wolves we'd just see the new flavor-of-the-month pet (whichever Ferocity pet performed the best alongside the new talent). However, after reading through your responses I think that you're right.

The Thunderstomp is a really good example. Though the min/maxers would still choose to bring the best new Ferocity Pet, I'm sure we'd see a huge increase in pet variety (which is always good to see!). One thing I've noticed running low level dungeons on my alts is how many different species I see with hunters. No one's concerned with having the absolute best pet, so you see a great assortment.

Sure, some Ferocity pets would still be better than others, but overall the Ferocity family would become more viable as a whole, allowing room for versatility.

[Akyo]

im still not sure about this idea. could be cause im a wolf lover and MM and survival hater and dont want em anny buffs XD (original i wasent, but after getting punshed in the face again and again it just grew on me)
i agree it would make the lesser used fero pets more enjoyable, but guilds focused on improving will still ask you to bring the current top dps pet, so like you said it wouldnt change things to much.

[Vephriel]

I know what you're saying Akyo, but at the same time I don't think it would be as bad to bring one of the 'not best' DPS pets.

The gap between a wolf and an average ferocity pet right now tends to be large enough so that there's no comparison. If all Ferocity pets had the Howl then that gap would shorten drastically, and a lot of people probably wouldn't mind as much.

It's a thin line, but I don't think it's much of a stretch. ^^;

[Akyo]

I know what you're saying Akyo, but at the same time I don't think it would be as bad to bring one of the 'not best' DPS pets.

The gap between a wolf and an average ferocity pet right now tends to be large enough so that there's no comparison. If all Ferocity pets had the Howl then that gap would shorten drastically, and a lot of people probably wouldn't mind as much.

It's a thin line, but I don't think it's much of a stretch. ^^;

i know D= to many wolves in dal! like 100! ok...not that much but...
It would might make the gap shorter but it wouldnt fix the "flavor of the month" pet issue.
The streats would possibly be filled with cats and raptors (again) and isent that what we really wanna fix?
Id love to see 8-15 different kinds of pets in towns and dungeons but i dont think fero howl alone would do that.

But i could be wrong, i dont know how the numbers would be affected or if it actually would make raiders more aceptable on pets. personaly i dont think they would, but thats just my oppinion and im sure many have different feelings about this idea. some might like it others might not.
Just my little oppinion, that wont have anny effect on what Blizz might and might not do.

anyway. ill be quiet now!

[Rhyela]

personaly id rather see the howl changing to a pet self buff like so many pets already have (moths, devils, raptors on crits) and rather see a new skill or skill change on my BM tree. (this is more personal but i do not feel that MM and survival need anny extra pet buffs(imma get yelled at now)).

I thought of this, too, and it would be fine except for one thing - all hunter DPS would drop. Right now, as you can see, Furious Howl is a big part of hunter raiding. Getting rid of it entirely would cause an uproar, I'm sure.

Making it a talent would give the boost to all ferocity pets so people could have more of a choice as to which pet to bring to a raid. Veph put it beautifully - min/max people are going to bring the "best" pet no matter what. But at least other people would still benefit with their other more "unconventional" pets. And I don't think there will ever not be the issue of the FotM pet. Blizz would have to, in their words, "homogenize" too much, and make every pet have an AP increase/bleed effect. They've already said with other roles that they don't like to homogenize. So regardless of what they do, there will sadly always be those must-have pets. There will just be more of them, and that's what I'm trying to get at.

I would be fine with maybe decreasing the buff a little if it were a talent, so that pets such as devilsaurs and cats and raptors wouldn't outright spank the crap out of your wasps and carrion birds.

I mean, things have gotten so bad lately that I'm even seeing level 19 twink hunters with wolves. It's not even condensed into the level 80 raiding anymore, EVERYONE has a wolf. I understand you love wolves, and that's fine! I had them for a long time myself, before they got all the buffs (we're talking years ago). But this is just getting ridiculous.

[Vephriel]

And I don't think there will ever not be the issue of the FotM pet. Blizz would have to, in their words, "homogenize" too much, and make every pet have an AP increase/bleed effect. They've already said with other roles that they don't like to homogenize. So regardless of what they do, there will sadly always be those must-have pets. There will just be more of them, and that's what I'm trying to get at.

Exactly. No matter what, the people who are concerned with min/maxing will always find out which pet is the absolute best, even if only by a small margin. As Edrawr said, that will always be the case unless Blizzard standardizes all pets to be identical. Otherwise, no matter how relatively balanced racial abilities are, there will always be some combination that works out to top the meters.

We'll just have less of a gap if we were granted some measure of viability on all Ferocity pets.

[Akyo]

I understand but but...
hmm..
i haz nothing more to say.

/pouts and sits in corner. >: i like my wolfys they way he is. /hugs puppy




Id love to bring my cunning to raids too....