No exotics until lvl 69?

[Rottingham]

Honestly, I agree with those who say exotics should be a core mechanic of the BM spec from the beginning, because it is the most apparent change between the specs. Like Boomkin form for druids, this talent should be raised to maybe tier 2 or 3. Now, granted, this means that BM is lacking a "signature" ability at the bottom tier.

Now, knowing that exotic taming should be higher and BM needing a better signature bottom tier talent may be what makes the spec feel and flow right. Personally, what comes to mind is something shown in several other classes bottom tier. A short term metamorphesis into an beastmaster w/ exclusive melee/summon abilities (not combinable with TBW). But you know, that's just me...

Make Intimidation the last tier spec. Blizz Obviously thinks' that its a credible talent...

D'yah think it will help at all if we managed to get together a kind of BM hunters union, organized, and pooled our thoughts on some of the aspects of the spec we'd like to see fixed in cata and posted it on the forums?
I mean, to he honest, it seems like we all pretty much agree on the same things here:
> Intimidation is not an extremely useful ability, and not properly representing the BM spec
> The ability to tame exotics is more of a fitting type-stamp to place on this spec.
> We'd all like to have it be a viable raiding spec

and so on xP

Agreed

[Kalliope]

Now however, if I wish to reach the last tier in my raiding BM spec, I need to throw precious points away by either taking the new PvP talent (crouching tiger, hidden chimera) or putting two points in improved mend pet or pathfinding (both useless while raiding) or putting them in spirit bond, which isn't really that useful except to the healer maybe.

Spirit Bond was in the raiding spec before. This isn't a big deal.

[Worba]

D'yah think it will help at all if we managed to get together a kind of BM hunters union, organized, and pooled our thoughts on some of the aspects of the spec we'd like to see fixed in cata and posted it on the forums?
I mean, to he honest, it seems like we all pretty much agree on the same things here:
> Intimidation is not an extremely useful ability, and not properly representing the BM spec
> The ability to tame exotics is more of a fitting type-stamp to place on this spec.
> We'd all like to have it be a viable raiding spec

and so on xP

Hopefully. I just posted on the suggestions and hunter forums.

I really don't know why there hasn't been any hue and cry about this before now... or was there and I just missed it? I mean it would be one thing if Cataclysm was just another end gamer expansion, raising level cap +10 and so forth... but this is supposed to be at least as much about making people want to roll new (lvl 1) toons as it is for the end gamers?

[Sarayana]

Now however, if I wish to reach the last tier in my raiding BM spec, I need to throw precious points away by either taking the new PvP talent (crouching tiger, hidden chimera) or putting two points in improved mend pet or pathfinding (both useless while raiding) or putting them in spirit bond, which isn't really that useful except to the healer maybe.

Spirit Bond was in the raiding spec before. This isn't a big deal.

She's just comparing it to the last iteration of Cata talents (or the one before, I can't keep track) where those talents weren't required to hit the 31-pt talent.

Edit: Worba, can you link the post? Then we can go support and all that.

[Vephriel]

Found the posts, I'll reply when I'm home from work.
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/threa ... 3221&sid=1
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/threa ... 3213&sid=1

[Kalliope]

Eh, I still find Spirit Bond to be useful for PvE; helps with keeping your pet alive without getting direct heals (ie. greater healing from chain heal, etc.).

But fair enough, it's not technically a dps talent.

[Worba]

Now however, if I wish to reach the last tier in my raiding BM spec, I need to throw precious points away by either taking the new PvP talent (crouching tiger, hidden chimera) or putting two points in improved mend pet or pathfinding (both useless while raiding) or putting them in spirit bond, which isn't really that useful except to the healer maybe.

Spirit Bond was in the raiding spec before. This isn't a big deal.

She's just comparing it to the last iteration of Cata talents (or the one before, I can't keep track) where those talents weren't required to hit the 31-pt talent.

Edit: Worba, can you link the post? Then we can go support and all that.

This was under my blood elf Khitsune (she was the last one I'd logged in under and I was too lazy to switch).

Hunters:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/threa ... 3221&sid=1

Suggestions:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/threa ... 90&sid=1#2

[Feath3r]

Level 60s won't be able to do level 60 raids anymore. That's just... wrong.

[Worba]

Found the posts, I'll reply when I'm home from work.
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/threa ... 3221&sid=1
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/threa ... 3213&sid=1

Could use the support... these threads are getting nibbled on by trolls with nothing better to do...

[Vephriel]

Ignore the blatant trolls, just keep posting around them and don't acknowledge them. Naturally people will disagree, but as long as you continue to present valid arguments I think it's worth Blizz looking into as a suggestion.

[Kalliope]

Level 60s won't be able to do level 60 raids anymore. That's just... wrong.

It's not end game material anymore....it makes sense.

[Kalliope]

*waves her little flag that says "We haven't seen the pet pass yet either."*

[Epicfail]

*waves her little flag that says "We haven't seen the pet pass yet either."*

Yep. They are probably saving the best for last... or putting it off because its a pain...

[Kalliope]

*waves her little flag that says "We haven't seen the pet pass yet either."*

Yep. They are probably saving the best for last... or putting it off because its a pain...

Probably the latter. >_<

[Anansi]

No, I'm fairly certain they're happy with the way things work with the talent trees. They're not altering the mode anymore, just the content. Sorry.

This is very far from the truth. Alterations are being constantly done on the class abilities and they are not content with the talent trees yet. There's lots of work to be done. Heck, alterations for Hunters are going to be ongoing after launch I suspect.

[Sarayana]

No, I'm fairly certain they're happy with the way things work with the talent trees. They're not altering the mode anymore, just the content. Sorry.

This is very far from the truth. Alterations are being constantly done on the class abilities and they are not content with the talent trees yet. There's lots of work to be done. Heck, alterations for Hunters are going to be ongoing after launch I suspect.

That is what I meant by content. When I said they're not altering the mode I mean that they're not planning on having 31-point talents available sooner or anything like that. It's speculation of course, but that's my impression.

Of course they'll keep tweaking things once it goes live, there's no better test than having the entire player base using it.

[Renle]

Now however, if I wish to reach the last tier in my raiding BM spec, I need to throw precious points away by either taking the new PvP talent (crouching tiger, hidden chimera) or putting two points in improved mend pet or pathfinding (both useless while raiding) or putting them in spirit bond, which isn't really that useful except to the healer maybe.

Spirit Bond was in the raiding spec before. This isn't a big deal.

Actually I only put one point in spirit bond, and this was only to get to the next tier. If I had a choice about it I would have skipped it over completely, as while this talent is slightly useful in raiding (so much as it is more useful then say, pathfinding) I would have rather have had an extra point is say, Imp. Tracking.

As far as it being good for pet survivability in raid, there are very few situations where this is necessary now that they've fixed the way pets resist AE. In fact, I've NEVER had issues with pets dieing in raids recently, or even needing to be healed. Which is good, because none of the healers in most raids I attend pay any attention whatsoever to a pets health

[Curumor]

I'd throw in my support, but it's US forums!

But what I think would be a fitting change, would be to move Beast Mastery to the tree specific skill, with Intimidation moved to around tier 3, with BW and TBW remaining in place (and some slight re-modelling to fit Fervor in somewhere).
Then for a 31 point talent, we get a new skill, named Call Stable (or something like that).
Basically, it would be a short summon (like 15-20secs) of all 5 of your active pets*. With some damage tuning (5 pets doing full dmg would be a bit much), it would make for an awesome and fitting BM end talent, imo.

*cue the Tarzan call


Btw, anyone with a US account is free to pass on that suggestion to the threads.

[Worba]

*waves her little flag that says "We haven't seen the pet pass yet either."*

Of course, but would you like to bet money that this will happen without some noise from the playerbase?

Me either.

[Worba]

Ignore the blatant trolls, just keep posting around them and don't acknowledge them. Naturally people will disagree, but as long as you continue to present valid arguments I think it's worth Blizz looking into as a suggestion.

Come on over and lend a voice to the "yeas" - can't have too much positive energy