Are Hyenas still hunched back?

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Re: Are Hyenas still hunched back?

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Taluwen wrote:They do actually hold their heads down a lot. I watch animal planet safari stuff all the time and more often than now, their heads are down cause thats where the food is.
Not at the angle that they do in WoW. It looks stupid, and I'm standing by that dammit :headbang:
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Tulune wrote:Not at the angle that they do in WoW. It looks stupid, and I'm standing by that dammit :headbang:
Perhaps to you, but that's your opinion on it, not an encompassing fact. ;)
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Kryte wrote:I don't know what hyenas you've been looking at, but I've never seen one that I thought was ugly. They're pretty adorable, even if they are vicious.
They are widely known for being ugly, e.g. http://www.sunsafaris.com/ugly-five.html includes them in with buzzards, wildebeests and warthogs, or just google "hyena + ugly" and see how many hits you get... and that perception isn't recent either as many cultures view them negatively in history/folklore (the name itself is derived from the Greek word for pig).

So, this is not an unusual idea. Nonetheless I have a scarlet tracking hound on my dwarf and I think he's awesome - whether or not he is pretty (though, I'll be sad to lose the movement debuff in cata)! ;)
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Random cute hyena article: (sure, it's related xD)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -bath.html
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Vephriel wrote:
Tulune wrote:Not at the angle that they do in WoW. It looks stupid, and I'm standing by that dammit :headbang:
Perhaps to you, but that's your opinion on it, not an encompassing fact. ;)
It looks like the same ones in the real wild.

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Re: Are Hyenas still hunched back?

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Vephriel wrote:I never paid enough attention to Hyenas back when they had the original posture, however I do admit I like the hunched stance more. I know there's some model issues with the new pose, but they've never been enough to bother me. I really like the look when they walk around with the head down, just gives off a good attitude.
They walk with their heads upright, actually. The only time the head is down is when the hyena is idling. When it attacks or moves, the head returns to the upright position, giving the model a head-bobbing... thing. Again, my biggest problem with the lowered head is that the model clearly wasn't designed with it mind. This gives the neck an sharp, awkward slope, weird animations, and exaggerates the effect of the model's "uni-boob". Trying to upload some pictures of this, but it doesn't seem to be working at the moment.
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Kryte wrote:
Vephriel wrote:I never paid enough attention to Hyenas back when they had the original posture, however I do admit I like the hunched stance more. I know there's some model issues with the new pose, but they've never been enough to bother me. I really like the look when they walk around with the head down, just gives off a good attitude.
They walk with their heads upright, actually. The only time the head is down is when the hyena is idling. When it attacks or moves, the head returns to the upright position, giving the model a head-bobbing... thing. Again, my biggest problem with the lowered head is that the model clearly wasn't designed with it mind. This gives the neck an sharp, awkward slope, weird animations, and exaggerates the effect of the model's "uni-boob". Trying to upload some pictures of this, but it doesn't seem to be working at the moment.
*nods* Yup, I have a Hyena on my Troll Hunter. They have the hunched posture when idling and slow walking. I've seen the model errors, but they just don't bother me enough to notice. :)
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Kryte wrote:
Vephriel wrote:I never paid enough attention to Hyenas back when they had the original posture, however I do admit I like the hunched stance more. I know there's some model issues with the new pose, but they've never been enough to bother me. I really like the look when they walk around with the head down, just gives off a good attitude.
They walk with their heads upright, actually. The only time the head is down is when the hyena is idling. When it attacks or moves, the head returns to the upright position, giving the model a head-bobbing... thing. Again, my biggest problem with the lowered head is that the model clearly wasn't designed with it mind. This gives the neck an sharp, awkward slope, weird animations, and exaggerates the effect of the model's "uni-boob". Trying to upload some pictures of this, but it doesn't seem to be working at the moment.
That's the only problem I have with the new look, really. Head up was fine, head down is fine, but having its neck snapped between each stance? Yikes.
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I have to admit, those photos of that hyena taking a bath was quite cute. He looked like a regular dog with rounded ears.

Also, in relation to the topic, from what I am remembering from Lion King, it seemed those hyenas all had a hunched back and they had their heads lowered when they either ran or attacked, for example.

Now, I know it is just a movie and this is off-topic, but then for someone that hasn't seen too many movies or too many games, Lion King has been one of the only sources I have seen where they made the right noises for those zebras. They don't whinny neigh like horses but more of do a whinny barking. Games like Black & White and even WoW didn't get that right. Off-topic.

I have never been a huge fan of hyenas ingame, but I haven't minded either way of how their heads are hitched now or were raised before. However, I am almost tempted to tame one since I love my cute barking puppy, hence my Calamity.
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I love the in-game hyenas. I leveled almost exclusively with a hyena (from 34-onward) and had mine both before and after the models were edited. The change took a little getting used to, but I don't really mind it either way. Actually I like the hunchy look, just because it gives the hyenas some character.

(For the record, I love hyenas IRL too, they're some of my favorite animals. I don't care what anyone else says; most people seem to think they're 'evil' and 'ugly' but I adore them, and I think they're cute, very smart, and very pack-driven, much like wolves. And Veph, that article was adorable!)

Funnily enough, I didn't actually notice this on my own hyena first, because I spent most of my time on the run. I actually spotted the change first in Tanaris; while running towards a quest spot, I saw one of the random desert hyenas pause, and his dead dropped down. I was like, "woah! did they always do that?" and promptly tested it on my hyena as well. It was a model edit. XD

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Oh god the cuteness! That article was so adorable. :D
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The in game model has NEVER bothered me. Blizz did a really great job making them like RL hyena is posture and conformation. If you have hyenas in a zoo near you go check them out and you'll see.
Maybe I just notice it more because of physically seeing spotted African hyenas and watching them on TV as often as possible.
The low slung head position in clans is a sign of power amongst the females (who are the clan rulers and larger then males). Part of this reason may be because those strong shoulder, back and neck muscles in the right position aid in bringing down game as big as a buffalo.

Any ways.

Those pictures are really cute. I totally <3 hyenas.

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You guys are making me want a Hyena....

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It is weird that they changed Hyenas posture. Reminds of a Lion King version of a "hyena". Real hyenas don't stand like that. And yeah, I agree with people that... basically saying, do not like hyenas (in real life).
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Pretty sure I've mentioned this before but meh, can't be bothered finding my old comment so I'll just do it again :lol:

The reason hyena postures were changed weren't for realism or anything of the sort.

The OLD posture created an error where the tail inverted deep into the hyena's body whenever it used its biting attack animation.

The NEW posture was their "fix"--which they did by plastering the Hyena model onto the coyote skeleton, but as it doesn't particularly fit correctly, this makes the hyena stand oddly and use slightly different animations--and the Standing animation just looks horrible like that, imo.


I much preferred the old one; I'd created a hunter only to tame the red Hyenas from SM, but once I saw the tail error I abandoned to wait for it to be fixed. When they fixed it by breaking it further, I was too disappointed by the new ugliness to tame again : /

They should fix the postures & the pupils, imo. The colors are awesome but those giant white pixel dots in what they call eyes are hideous :lol:
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I wish they'd fix the muzzle so it wasnt snarling 24/7.....same with the coyotes/wolves.

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Tulune wrote:Cmon, there has to be someone who remembers how they wewre, and like it better besides me :lol:
*raises hand*

The issue is, the model skeleton is not correct to a real-life Hyena... actual Hyenas' back legs are shorter than their front ones, which gives them a sloping back. Blizz tried to recreate the 'look' of that slope by giving the ingame ones a hunched-over neck. I liked the old model better, but I'm used to the newer one now.

The bug with the tail was not since the beginning, I remember it appearing sometime during BC. I think that when they finally gave Hyenas a jump/swim animation then, that something funky was done to the model. Laz has had a hyena since the very beginning of WoW, and there wasn't any bug with the tail until BC.
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I still like 'em.

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Lazuly wrote: The bug with the tail was not since the beginning, I remember it appearing sometime during BC. I think that when they finally gave Hyenas a jump/swim animation then, that something funky was done to the model. Laz has had a hyena since the very beginning of WoW, and there wasn't any bug with the tail until BC.


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Acherontia wrote: The OLD posture created an error where the tail inverted deep into the hyena's body whenever it used its biting attack animation.

The NEW posture was their "fix"--which they did by plastering the Hyena model onto the coyote skeleton, but as it doesn't particularly fit correctly, this makes the hyena stand oddly and use slightly different animations--and the Standing animation just looks horrible like that, imo.
Well, once the tail-issue appeared, they changed the posture a couple patches later. I'm pretty sure it was cause and effect, I could be wrong, but I don't think they'd have spent the time/manpower to change a model entirely because they didn't think it looked real enough. I personally think the old one was more true-to-life anyway, this "new" (well, old now :lol:) one makes me sad. But without an official GM reply, I doubt we'll ever know for sure.
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I love the hyena model!

Who says wow ones have to look and act like real life ones? its a fantasy game it don't need to looke like onr in the wild. i don't see you complainging about red or purple ones! lol
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