Why should SV / MM hunters get Exotic Beast families?

[Karathyriel]

seriously, Beast Mastery sucks in general raiding

You answered that yourself:

that it is bullshit.

Just because the imba roxoor uber rogue says so doesn't make it a truth.
A lot of BM hunters are raiding and doing just fine.

And yes, I don't see any point in having pets you can't tame just because you chose another skill tree.
Would be like a warrior can't use shields just because he chose the fury skills.

that it is bullshit.

^ So true!

[Mindsprocket]

I've enjoyed both BM and MM since vanilla and personally, I don't like the whole exotics thing as a BM hunter. Why?

Well, when I first heard about exotics, yes, I thought "Sounds neat! And it makes sense that Beast Masters can tame more difficult beasts". My second thought, though, was "But hang on, how's that supposed to work? If exotics are stronger than other pets, BM hunters would have to use them, effectively limiting out pet options rather than expanding them. But if exotics aren't stronger, then they're purely cosmetic. Who on earth puts cosmetics into a talent tree?"

And the way I see it, we got the worst of both possibilities. With the exception of the devlisaur, exotics aren't actually a better option than other pets, making them purely about shinies. And yet, BM is generally considered to be all about exotics, meaning I get strange looks for using anything else, such as my lion (the Rake) that I've loved since vanilla.

Now don't get me wrong. I don't have anything against exotic pets per se. I have a devilsaur and a silithid that I love dearly. But there's something about people expecting me to use them all the time just because "that's what BM is about" that bugs me. Far more than people asking me to use a pet that actually affects my performance (i.e. higher dps or some utility skill). I know that some of this may have to do with the fact the BM just isn't Teh Best spec at the moment, so a lot of people think there's nothing more to it than exotics (which I disagree with, but that's a different story). But I have a feeling that this attitude still wouldn't change much if BM finally got it's long needed workover. It seems to me that by now it's pretty much established that BM = exotics and that's that. And as someone who has enjoyed the playstile of BM long before there were exotics and still wants to use her non-exotic pets, I just can't see that as a possitive development.

All in all I don't think that the exotics idea has done much good for the BM tree and that's why I want the exotics tag to disappear. Not so I can use my Silithid when I'm MM, but so that I don't have to use it when I'm BM. And so that we can finally return to the time when BM was about strong pets, not pretty pets.

Anyway, that's just my personal rant on the subject. I doubt this whole exotics thing will go away anytime soon, but I can dream, and I certainly do.

[Acherontia]

I agree with everything you just said.

And with your Richard avatar.

[Rhyela]

I've enjoyed both BM and MM since vanilla and personally, I don't like the whole exotics thing as a BM hunter. Why?

Well, when I first heard about exotics, yes, I thought "Sounds neat! And it makes sense that Beast Masters can tame more difficult beasts". My second thought, though, was "But hang on, how's that supposed to work? If exotics are stronger than other pets, BM hunters would have to use them, effectively limiting out pet options rather than expanding them. But if exotics aren't stronger, then they're purely cosmetic. Who on earth puts cosmetics into a talent tree?"

And the way I see it, we got the worst of both possibilities. With the exception of the devlisaur, exotics aren't actually a better option than other pets, making them purely about shinies. And yet, BM is generally considered to be all about exotics, meaning I get strange looks for using anything else, such as my lion (the Rake) that I've loved since vanilla.

Now don't get me wrong. I don't have anything against exotic pets per se. I have a devilsaur and a silithid that I love dearly. But there's something about people expecting me to use them all the time just because "that's what BM is about" that bugs me. Far more than people asking me to use a pet that actually affects my performance (i.e. higher dps or some utility skill). I know that some of this may have to do with the fact the BM just isn't Teh Best spec at the moment, so a lot of people think there's nothing more to it than exotics (which I disagree with, but that's a different story). But I have a feeling that this attitude still wouldn't change much if BM finally got it's long needed workover. It seems to me that by now it's pretty much established that BM = exotics and that's that. And as someone who has enjoyed the playstile of BM long before there were exotics and still wants to use her non-exotic pets, I just can't see that as a possitive development.

All in all I don't think that the exotics idea has done much good for the BM tree and that's why I want the exotics tag to disappear. Not so I can use my Silithid when I'm MM, but so that I don't have to use it when I'm BM. And so that we can finally return to the time when BM was about strong pets, not pretty pets.

Anyway, that's just my personal rant on the subject. I doubt this whole exotics thing will go away anytime soon, but I can dream, and I certainly do.

You nailed it on the head here. Been BM for five years and I so miss the time that I could use any ol' pet I wanted (my dear white lion) without feeling gimped because of it. The exotics tag should go away, BUT NOT WITHOUT FIXING BM FIRST. I feel I should make that clear - I'm not saying take exotics away so BM gets nothing. I'm saying fix BM first, REALLY fix it, then remove the exotics tag and let any hunter tame any pet they want. BM pets would still be stronger, of course, but Mindsprocket could take The Rake and I could take my spider, and it wouldn't matter that they weren't "exotic". That is my dream for BM, but it looks like at least in Cata, it isn't going to happen. BM isn't the "strong pet" spec anymore, it's the "shiny" spec, just as you said.

[Protego]

I love that Blizzard made Exotic pets! There should be pets only Beast Masters can Tame. We deserve it! (In Cataclysm) I'm so glad that epic Exotics are gonna get a 2nd ability. Not just 1 like non-Exotic pets.

[Slickrock]

So let's just delete the BM tree. shall we? because there really isn't any point to it. If you strip away the last thing BM had going for it, there is NO reason to be BM. None. What all the chatter here is really that MM hunters want the same pets as BM. But of course, they want their special shots, higher burst damage, and everything else.

IF you take away exotics from BM, the ONLY thing is has is getting big and red, which has been nerfed enough that it's pretty sad, and will be worse in Cata.

So let's just take away exotics, and delete the tree, because there is NO reason for the tree with that final nail, and the Cata BM nerfs.

/stomps off to go punch a kitten.

[Slickrock]

You nailed it on the head here. Been BM for five years and I so miss the time that I could use any ol' pet I wanted (my dear white lion) without feeling gimped because of it. The exotics tag should go away, BUT NOT WITHOUT FIXING BM FIRST. I feel I should make that clear - I'm not saying take exotics away so BM gets nothing. I'm saying fix BM first, REALLY fix it, then remove the exotics tag and let any hunter tame any pet they want. BM pets would still be stronger, of course, but Mindsprocket could take The Rake and I could take my spider, and it wouldn't matter that they weren't "exotic". That is my dream for BM, but it looks like at least in Cata, it isn't going to happen. BM isn't the "strong pet" spec anymore, it's the "shiny" spec, just as you said.

BM pets won't be stronger, because they'll have to take away our 51-point talent, which is weak as it is.

You do realize that exotics are stronger? Their specials due more dps in comparison.

So, again, take away the 51-point talent, and give BM another special shot, and WHY would you bother being BM? There would be no point. Getting Big and Red is pretty pointless once the Cata nerfs take place, so why bother? The spec should be deleted and start over at that point.

If the 51-point talent goes away and it becomes another special shot, I'll sit around in Dal all day, mocking any poor slob that is still BM, because it will be pointless.

What you all seem to be asking for is MM's burst, BM's pets, and SV's traps. Good luck with that.

Now where is that damn kitten so I can kick it...

[Slickrock]

Damn, this thread ruined my day, I'm really pissed right now.. I'm sick of BM getting spit upon, and when fellow hunters do it, that just takes the cake.

I would really REALLY like to know what your solutions are given if:

1) Blizz does nerf BW/TBW so that the only thing it does is a minor ap boost for a few seconds.

2) The BM 51-point talent is taken away along with exotics (which means BM pets become weaker since they loose the extra 4 talent points)

3) BM isn't given MM burst, because "that wouldn't be fair".

Just what do you expect BM to look like? What is your suggestion for the 51-point replacement? What will make BM unique since the pets will be exactly the same as other specs? Because looking at the talent trees in Cata right now, if exotics are taken away and BM pets get weaker with the 51-pointer removed, I just don't see a point in staying BM. MM would be the obvious spec for anything once you are 70ish+.

[cowmuflage]

and Slickrock i'm sick of you thinking MM would be better with out pets.

[Saturo]

and Slickrock i'm sick of you thinking MM would be better with out pets.

I would prefer MM without pets too.

[Lone Hunter]
Your damage is increased by 7% when you don't have a pet active.

There. No DPS lost, no DPS gained.

[cowmuflage]

No see if they did that it would only make those certain uptight BM hunters who think anyone whos not a BM hunter does not like their pets. I can not stand those BM hunters i like my pets but i like MM aswell but if they did that Saturo it would force me not to use my pet. There would be more "lol ur not BM so you must HATE pets" people and i can not stand those types.

[Kayb]

You know, I'm tired of some hunters claiming that all MM hunters are just sooking because they want exotics.

I'm MM, and I don't give two flippin hoots about exotic pets let alone want any. And btw, if they really were better than regular pets, then a Wolf wouldn't currently be the raiding pet of choice would it.

And I don't give a stuff about the boons Surv gives for traps. I don't even have dual spec, I've stayed MM since the launch of vanilla.

I've respecced in the past to try the other specs, to try the exotics, and none of it is for me. So I'd prefer not to be lumped into a generalisation just because you're having a bad day or the forums made you cranky.

[Saturo]

You don't see the point, by having the talent not affect your DPS (it adds as much as it removes) you could simply choose whether to use a pet or not. For bosses, I don't want a pet. Same for certain mob pulls. You would do as much damage, regardless of whether you spec into it.

[Slickrock]

and Slickrock i'm sick of you thinking MM would be better with out pets.

Never said better, said it would be interesting... especially combined with sniper talents from SV. I would actually really like the idea. Ultimate glass cannon. BGs with it would be awesome.

[cowmuflage]

I know Saturo but its still going to bring more "lol you don't love your pets" from uptight BM hunters. Ya know? There is all ready to much of that on this site would only bring more :S

[Slickrock]

And btw, if they really were better than regular pets, then a Wolf wouldn't currently be the raiding pet of choice would it.

Wolf is better because Blizz won't fix scaling problems with the pets. Trex is actually better at lower gear levels, but in full ICC gear, the wolf buff wins, even if wolf dps isn't that great. Don't blame the exotics for Blizz's problem programming.

I've respecced in the past to try the other specs, to try the exotics, and none of it is for me. So I'd prefer not to be lumped into a generalisation just because you're having a bad day or the forums made you cranky.

Read the rest of "I want shiney" posts here.

[Slickrock]

I know Saturo but its still going to bring more "lol you don't love your pets" from uptight BM hunters. Ya know? There is all ready to much of that on this site would only bring more :S

As a glass cannon spec, it would be all about you, your gun, and that one bullets that crits for 300% damage.

[cowmuflage]

And? Its still going to bring hate to the spec from people who think MM don't like there pets

[Slickrock]

Besides... a MM hunter with a core hound? just doesn't fit.

Had a thought... what would make the pets different and interesting again would be to design a pet tree for each class. BM gets big dps pets, MM gets pets that provide MM style buffs (like the wolf), SV gets more cunning-style pets. You could even have then split families, so different cats could be in each tree, and so on.

Point is, if exotics go away, BM will be even weaker, and the trees will be more homoginized. We need more differences.

[Slickrock]

And? Its still going to bring hate to the spec from people who think MM don't like there pets

Like BM is hated now for being the lol-exotic spec?


Just tell me how giving your MM hunter exotics will make BM better. I still haven't seen any good ideas.