Mounts in Legion

[Nachtwulf]

It's like... the black qiraji tank, only for gold farmers.

[Wain]

This is the problem for me, really. It caters to gold farmers and AH scalpers and few others. It would have benefitted the broader population much more if they had spent time curbing the rewards of those activities. Attach a "no re-auction" flag to items bought from the AH. I know this couldn't work with stackable items but would with most others. Add an increasing tax for the more items of the same type you have on the AH so gold sellers who put up 200 single-item Gorgrond Flytraps to bury everyone else's auctions would start to lose money on the activity. That kind of thing. I don't believe adding a one-off 2 million gold sink is the answer, or even much of a band-aid. But I guess it's quick and easy and cynical.

[peanutbuttercup]

This is the problem for me, really. It caters to gold farmers and AH scalpers and few others. It would have benefitted the broader population much more if they had spent time curbing the rewards of those activities. Attach a "no re-auction" flag to items bought from the AH. I know this couldn't work with stackable items but would with most others. Add an increasing tax for the more items of the same type you have on the AH so gold sellers who put up 200 single-item Gorgrond Flytraps to bury everyone else's auctions would start to lose money on the activity. That kind of thing. I don't believe adding a one-off 2 million gold sink is the answer, or even much of a band-aid. But I guess it's quick and easy and cynical.

I know you didn't mean it this way but this is really rubbing me the wrong way.

This mount isn't meant to be a goldsink, so I've been told, but rather a prestige type item for those who choose to play the gold game. So you're correct in that this won't be taking much gold out of the game's economy, but apparently that wasn't the intention.

I enjoy making gold as a casual side game. I am not a "gold farmer" or "AH baron" or whatever. I also enjoy raiding and collecting pets and mounts. I don't enjoy PVP or RP or some other aspects of the game. But I would never suggest that PVP be removed or changed just because there's a lot of really cool PVP mounts that I will never be able to get due to my own gaming choices.

Legitimate gold making shouldn't be restricted by Blizz. An in-game economy functions because there are people who choose to be active participants as buyers and as sellers. Mess with the sellers' role, and it'll trickle down to the buyers in the end. Even if you tried to restrict AH transactions like you suggested, those who are making the most gold now will still find ways to get more of it than everyone else. And yes I too get irritated at sellers who list "stacks" of 1 but I simply do not buy from those sellers.

Incidentally my spouse has over 2 million gold and does not play the AH, sell tokens, or sell runs or services. He's just saved up gold for a long time, though he does rarely treat himself to a piece of gear or a pet. So even someone who isn't a "gold farmer" could afford a one-time extravagant purchase, if they work at it long enough.

[zedxrgal]

This is horseshit! I'm sorry but that mount IS a gold sink. I don't care how they're trying to pass it off. Prestigious vendor?? Uh no. Just a vendor selling an over priced NORMAL mount. They're spinning their own little webs trying to justify the cost. I never understood why the grand expedition yak cost as much as it did since it was a single person mount, no vendors etc and now they are tossing this thing in here.

Pardon my French but LE FUCK IZ DIZ!? 2 million gold for a mount that has no other attributes other than a riding mount? That thing BETTER scale walls, SHEER 90 degree walls!!! And SPIT WEBBING TO FLING ME FROM MOUNTAIN TO MOUNTAIN DAMNIT!

This. It better shoot f-ing rainbow webs out it's ass while it runs too!

It's mount special better be something EPIC like it rips you off its back and tries to eat you or something.

I can even understand the reasoning behind a rare goldsink but....2 million just seems so excessive. Even with the garrisons this expansion, I've never owned even 1/4 of that much gold in my entire lifetime of playing WoW.

I'm just especially upset because it's the first and possibly only spider mount and I wanted it so badly. ;-;

And this for me. Playing since 04 and I don't think I've come anywhere near 2 mil. $hit. I've never been able to afford the grand expedition yak. I barely scraped enough to get the travel mammoth and I was exalted so didn't have to pay the full 20k.

Sorry but I am just really appalled they are putting in a 2 mil dollar mount then have the gall to say it's not a gold sink.

[peanutbuttercup]

I'm sorry but that mount IS a gold sink. I don't care how they're trying to pass it off. Prestigious vendor?? Uh no. Just a vendor selling an over priced NORMAL mount.

http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/4110 ... new-items/

I still call anything that sucks money out of the economy a goldsink; Blizz however does not. Would it really change anything to call it a goldsink? Go ahead - I still think of it as a goldsink regardless of how the designers describe it.

And if you're all still so up in arms about it, feel free to chime in on the above thread with feedback. Everyone's screaming over here (and on WarcraftPets) but an official thread with actual blues posting is sure to get more looks and consideration.

[Shinryu Masaki]

I never understood why the grand expedition yak cost as much as it did since it was a single person mount, no vendors etc

I'm not sure what you're going on about, that mount is a 3 person mount, with a vendor, it used to have a reforger but with that removed from the game it changed to a transmorgriphier (is that even a word?).

But I do agree that the 2 million price tag is just insane. I don't buy the excuse that the merchant is just a crazy guy to justify the prices of his wears. It's 1000% a gold sink, period. As someone who loves collecting mounts it's annoying me to no end. Hell now that I think about it the PvP prestige mounts looks a lot more easy to get now...

[Wain]

Yeah. I kinda like one really expensive luxury item to save for. But jumping from 200k to 2M is extreme. And agreed the "he's just mad" explanation is rather absurd. Nothing is in that game (aside from bugs) that isn't their calculated decision. Ah well, I'm sure the one after Legion will be 10M at this rate.

The thing that concerns me most of all is the BMAH cap. Has it been confirmed that it's also lifting to the new gold cap of 10M? If so, all rare mounts that are found on there are going to jump in price tag by a factor of 10. What someone worked their guts out to save for in the hopes of getting a tiger mount will now be pointless,as the goal post is pulled 10 times the distance out of their reach and they'll just go the those who speculate on the AH or buy gold again. I know there are legitimate people making gold on the AH but 10 million is an insanely long way off and I'd be surprised if anyone who is legit and who doesn't have large amounts of real life money to throw at the game will get there for a long time. It'll be the AH botters again.

But maybe I got that wrong and the bid cap is staying the same.

[SpiritBinder]

A tend to agree with both sides here. There are people who play the game for the enjoyment of collecting gold. They spend just as much if not more maximizing items/sale/profit, as raiders do on wiping.
It's not cup of tea personally, but I know some friends who really get into it. Adding a reward that caters to this kind of player I think is great, and even the price tag... I'm actually ok with.

For me, it's the choice of model itself I generally have the biggest gripe with. While the spider is very cool, it does not thematically fit those whom could afford it. And as others have mentioned, most other gold sinks have been multi-use mounts, whether it be the fact they can carry more, or vendors/etc.

Now if they added a mount that was per say, similar to a Gilnean Stagecoach, which instead of just being that, was designed like a wow version of an Armored Money Truck/Stagecoach. That would suit the reward of shelling out that much gold.



It could carry other around (Sitting up front) and could contain and two NPC's (most likely goblins ) sitting at the back that would allow you access to your Bank and Guild bank.

It's practical and visual theme would fit that of a wheeler and dealer of gold and goods, and would look very unique. Yet, does not really step on any toes of a design that is beautiful and unique, that people have always wanted (yes people have spoken about spider mounts for a long time), that has nothing to do with it's intended source or purchase.

[Lupen202]

The thing that concerns me most of all is the BMAH cap. Has it been confirmed that it's also lifting to the new gold cap of 10M? If so, all rare mounts that are found on there are going to jump in price tag by a factor of 10. What someone worked their guts out to save for in the hopes of getting a tiger mount will now be pointless,as the goal post is pulled 10 times the distance out of their reach and they'll just go the those who speculate on the AH or buy gold again. I know there are legitimate people making gold on the AH but 10 million is an insanely long way off and I'd be surprised if anyone who is legit and who doesn't have large amounts of real life money to throw at the game will get there for a long time. It'll be the AH botters again.

But maybe I got that wrong and the bid cap is staying the same.

I'm not 100% sure, but I believe I read somewhere the BMAH cap would be affected. At any rate, as much as I hope it'll stay the same... It wouldn't surprise me in the least if it was raised.

Like you, this has been my biggest concern as well ever since I heard the news. It's really depressing. Sure, it might seem like a selfish reason to hate the change... but I've spent close to two years saving every bit of my gold from reselling, farming, running old raids, garrisons... just to purchase two mounts - the Plagued proto-drake which I was lucky enough to grab a couple months back, and the Zulian tiger - and unless the latter shows up before Legion (which is unlikely) I'll likely never be able to get it. I've actually had the gold for months sitting on my alt which is parked next to the BMAH vendor, just so I'll be there the second auctions are posted with no luck.

A million gold is ridiculous to most as it is. It's even harder to justify and obtain TEN million.

My only hope is that on my server (a low pop PVP) the number of millionaires is small enough that they'll all spend their money on what they want early on and be done with it. Maybe when they all get their own tigers, Invincibles and Mimiron's, I can snag a tiger for myself for a more reasonable price in the distant future. But considering I've only seen two tigers on the BMAH in the last two years, who knows how long that'll be. Or if it will ever sell for under gold cap.

This could all be avoided if they'd just leave the BMAH alone and just increase the cap on your bags & the normal auction house. :/ I think the fact you may never see a certain mount on the BMAH alone is enough to keep them rare. Like I said, I've only seen the tiger twice in the last two years, and the Plagued proto-drake three times. No need to also make it so only the richest of the rich can obtain them.

[peanutbuttercup]

The thing that concerns me most of all is the BMAH cap. Has it been confirmed that it's also lifting to the new gold cap of 10M? If so, all rare mounts that are found on there are going to jump in price tag by a factor of 10.

I was under the impression that the BMAH cap would go up to gold cap as well, though I don't have beta access nor have I read anything on that front to confirm/deny. I'm just assuming it's going to go up and so I've been watching the BMAH like a hawk lately, because there's still items I'm hoping to get while capping is still feasible. The downside is a lot of others are thinking the same way right now. BMAH prices are at an all time high because there's so many players with nothing to spend their gold on, so they're just capping anything that comes along.

If the bid cap does go up to match gold cap, all I can suggest is just bidding what you can if something you really want does come up. Sometimes you can get items at a relative bargain, especially early on in an expansion when people are concentrating on leveling or gearing up.

For me, it's the choice of model itself I generally have the biggest gripe with.

Now if they added a mount that was per say, similar to a Gilnean Stagecoach, which instead of just being that, was designed like a wow version of an Armored Money Truck/Stagecoach. That would suit the reward of shelling out that much gold.

It could carry other around (Sitting up front) and could contain and two NPC's (most likely goblins ) sitting at the back that would allow you access to your Bank and Guild bank.

The carriage is an awesome idea (mostly because I'm always in need of a banker). Don't think I'd pull it out much other than for the NPCs (for the same reason as the mammoths and Grand Yak, I find them too big and unwieldy) but then again I'm terrified of spiders, so this would get my vote.

[Wain]

I agree that a mount that screams aristocracy, like the coach, would be very fitting for a super-expensive mount Or some ogres or goblin oafs carrying you on a palanquin

[Wain]

And there's always this....



(Picture from Wowhead... http://www.wowhead.com/npc=87247/gharg# ... :id=449201 )

[Castile]

Yeah....nah. The spider isn't something I'd shell out big bucks for and certainly not 2mil gold! I'm not as bothered as others for the reason that it doesn't greatly appeal to me as a mount (only from a complete the collection pov) but I do think this is an overly excessive gold sink mount. If it was something I really liked I think i'd be very upset especially if I wasn't the gold making kind of person. But I can see the line being spun "it's a non essential item...blah blah" so I'm going to bet that isn't going to change in a hurry.

It better shoot f-ing rainbow webs out it's ass while it runs too!
It's mount special better be something EPIC like it rips you off its back and tries to eat you or something.

^ I laughed my ass off at this however! and agreed!

The stage couch is a brilliant idea however and I think as gold sink would fit alot better (and continue the vendor theme from the mammoth etc)...maybe even draven the npc could sell it?

[SpiritBinder]

The stage couch is a brilliant idea however and I think as gold sink would fit alot better (and continue the vendor theme from the mammoth etc)...maybe even draven the npc could sell it?

Laugh!, ya dreaming, as would I be.

Actually I'm going to have to try and change my in game name from Draven (even though I do love it so) to Tannon.
That way it will match the NPC version, and Tannon being my real name, I guess it makes more sense as a representation.

[Twistedklown]

And there's always this....



(Picture from Wowhead... http://www.wowhead.com/npc=87247/gharg# ... :id=449201 )

Change out the Draenei for Gnomes and I'd spend 2 million gold on that as a mount.

[Xota]

I'm pretty sure blizzard is building in some inflation, so that people who haven't stored up a lot of gold won't be as far behind (relatively) people who have. 2 million will still be very high end, but I don't think it will be as astronomical as it is in WoD gold.

When you compare other currently expensive mounts, and the percent of accounts that have them, then the 2million price tag makes a bit more sense. The alliance treadblade is 100k, and its on 6% of accounts. The xmog yak is 120k, and it's on 19% of accounts. If the idea is to have a mount that's exclusive to 1-2% of accounts (at least for now), then the cost has to be set high. After a while, when there's even more inflation, there will be a new ultra-exclusive mount, and more people will be able to afford the spider. Remember when the 20k for the repair mammoth was astronomical?

Speaking of astronomical, though, the celestial hippo calf minipet is 1m gold (pun intended). It doesn't even have an "instakill entire enemy team" ability.

[13thmaiden]

And there's always this....



(Picture from Wowhead... http://www.wowhead.com/npc=87247/gharg# ... :id=449201 )

Change out the Draenei for Gnomes and I'd spend 2 million gold on that as a mount.

That would be the horde mount! XD

See I could totally go with the stagecoach/armored tank/palanquin idea for the 2 mill. It actually fits the whole theme of opulence which 2mill fits as astronomical for us, and unless in Legion all the demons are spitting out gold like broken one armed bandits, then it's going to stay astronomical for awhile. Not to mention it would give actually decent extras which would stand to reason for the 2 mill gold cost.

The spider has been a long begged for mount that a majority want, and making it the 2 mill uber-special mount, especially without any extra features, stinks highly.

Forgive me, but it just REALLY does not fit the image of a Gold min/maxer, furthermore it just seems just not worth that amount. I've wanted a spider mount for a long time, but like I said, unless it's scaling up 90 degree walls and shooting rainbow webs out it's butt as it runs, it feels more like they're actually JIPPING the person putting out that much money.

This almost feels like......the white rhino!!

[Wain]

You've probably all seen Mekkatorque's new mecha-suit. There aren't any mount animations attached to it so far, and there's no indication that they are going to make it a mount, but it's still really brilliant to look at and hope

[13thmaiden]

*whistles* Wooooooow, another probably engineering mount I'm gonna have to save a butt-ton of mats for XD;; Gotta say it's pretty awesome looking. Kinda like the gnomes version to the skygolem.

[Wain]

So, not exactly mount news, but here are the four mounts of the new Four Horsemen, so you can see which colour belongs to whom:

http://legion.wowhead.com/npc=113582/na ... athcharger
http://legion.wowhead.com/npc=113581/tr ... athcharger
http://legion.wowhead.com/npc=113580/wh ... athcharger
http://legion.wowhead.com/npc=113579/mo ... athcharger