The War Within Beta - Beasts Thread

[PorrasouxRex]

Genuinely curious. Is there still beasts we have yet to see? Or are we just checking what's available now? I am still holding my breath to see when those new crocalisk drop.

I don't think much else will be added at this point (though it's not impossible). It's too close to release for them to be allowed to make many changes.

As for those croco/basilisk mounts, I don't think a non-mount model was added Correct me if I'm wrong and I missed it.

But we're still trying to find things that are already in! Most especially, I'd really appreciate people trying out quests and telling me if beasts (that we haven't added) might appear or spawn during them and if they're tameable. I've done the vast bulk of the cataloguing, but I can't be everywhere and try everything, so any help is appreciated

Would you say bosses are harder or easier to make tame flags for? And do you think this was the only "tame pass" before launch

[Wain]

Would you say bosses are harder or easier to make tame flags for? And do you think this was the only "tame pass" before launch

I can't imagine there's much difference, but I think they like to delay raid bosses being tameable for a couple of expansions at least.

[Wain]

The looks for the Shimmering Hermits in Dorn have been changed entirely! They now have 15 completely new colour/shell combinations! Someone has really gone out of their way to add new variations.

[Wain]

The Opalshell Hermits were also changed to have 4 new look combos (and also 2 existing ones which I haven't displayed):

[WerebearGuy]

You know, seeing ONE NPC with a ton of skins is a daunting thing. There's so many different crab NPCs that reuse skins, so maybe the crab color combos should be spread out across the entire game. I know that'd take way more time, but having to play the slots to get the color you want for a pet is a bit silly. It's nice that so many extra skins are available, for the few who use crabs at all, but this is like that one horse all over again lol.

[Talihawk]

Glad to see more variety but yes, still wishing it was on the Lynx, or the Cloud Serpents, or other mammals in general. Just not into bugs, crabs, spiders and worms.

[WerebearGuy]

Beta servers are down, so I have no idea what islands are in rotation right now, but Wowhead FINALLY got off their lazy butts and update their database. All of the Loa toad NPCs from Islands, that we haven't already posted about, are flagged as tameable.
Colossal Spadefoot
Man-Eater
Whiptongue
Yaz'za the Devourer
Bogbelcher

Of course, we can't test them BECAUSe the beta is down, but next week is a good time to check since it'll all be live.


EDIT: Beta is up. Taming things now. Island rotation: Jorundall, Snowblossom Village, Havenswood
New tameables:
- Gorespike (Retains Name)
- Dustfang (retains Name)
Whole lot of other stuff isn't tameable, surprise surprise, but so far I've run across these at least. Better than nothing I guess!

EDIT 2: I think I'm bugged; it won't sent me to Havenswood anymore, only the other two. According to wowhead, Colossal Spadefoot and Bogbelcher spawn in Havenswood. Blizzard knows I want the frogs...

[Wain]

EDIT: Beta is up. Taming things now. Island rotation: Jorundall, Snowblossom Village, Havenswood
New tameables:
- Gorespike (Retains Name)
- Dustfang (retains Name)
Whole lot of other stuff isn't tameable, surprise surprise, but so far I've run across these at least. Better than nothing I guess!

EDIT 2: I think I'm bugged; it won't sent me to Havenswood anymore, only the other two. According to wowhead, Colossal Spadefoot and Bogbelcher spawn in Havenswood. Blizzard knows I want the frogs...

WOO! Thanks for finding those!!

I'll log in and try my luck now. I'll report back if I find any of the others.

[Wain]

This is strange! It looks like very specific models have just been made tameable in Island Expeditions, even though none have unique looks, but most other models are still unflagged. And it looks like most or all of those models were flagged at the same time.

I've noticed that (according to Wowhead), all:
- Basilisks
- Kunchong
- Skeleton hounds (fiery and misty)
- Classic model snakes
- Mummified eagles

Are tameable, but I haven't noticed any others.

Use this IE beasts page as a guide. All creatures are divided by family, and sorted by model within the family:

https://www.wow-petopia.com/islandexpeditions.php

[WerebearGuy]

See, that's one thing that's strange. I ran into Wall-Breaker Ha'vik, but it was NOT tameable. I didn't see it was flagged on wowhead. The classic snakes also weren't tameable at all. A few basilisks were tameable, but only the ones I posted and not any of the others like the gritplate basilisks. Wowhead's database and the actual beta tameables are not 1:1. It's peculiar.

[Wain]

Yeah, I'm noticing that too!

I found some tameable classic snakes, but not others, same with basilisks and skeletal hounds. I found a named skeletal hound tameable (Blazeseeker) but couldn't tame it to check if it keeps its name as I can't tame undead.

[WerebearGuy]

We need to just kidnap a dev and make them just flip the switch on every mob in those islands lol. The inconsistencies are so odd.

[Wain]

Here's what I've found so far:

(note: if taming basilisks or snakes, please check if they make sounds as it's pretty common on both models )

Tameable:

Sand-Eye (130333) - Keeps name - Makes sounds when clicked
Giant Dreadfang (140691) - Makes sounds when clicked
Dreadfang Viper (140690) - Makes sounds when clicked
Bloodbore (140692) - Keeps name
Blazeseeker (140560) CAN'T CHECK AS CAN'T TAME UNDEAD

Not tameable, but Wowheads says they are:

Vile Asp (140697)
Dreadfang Snake (132835)
Gritplate Basilisk (130333)
Gritplate Gazer (130334)
Gritplate Crystaleye (130335)
Foulshriek (146885)
Fleshrot Plaguetalon (146910)
Gargantuan Blighthound (146882)
Brimstone Pup (140561)
Brimstone Tracker (140563)
Brimstone Lavamaw (140564)

[Wain]

We need to just kidnap a dev and make them just flip the switch on every mob in those islands lol. The inconsistencies are so odd.

The reason for this partial thing is that flagging the lot is an impossibly huge job for a busy dev right before Beta launch. But at least some are.

The taming inconsistency (between Wowhead and game) is something I've seen before with instances (including IE) and this may be for the same reason. When it's happened before it's been due to instances having special difficulty flags that can affect taming, and can do so even when the dev didn't intend them to. So, please record anything you find not tameable that probably is meant to be (i.e. anything in those models listed above). Thanks!

[WerebearGuy]

That's another thing; real jerk move not allowing us to copy account data. It was only available for a terribly short period on day one of the beta, yet despite trying numerous times, it never worked for me. Some people got it to work, and good for them because it let us learn of some really nice new tames, but COME ON. There was no reason for not enabling it again after the beta servers became stable. Grievance aside, I almost never play with sound on so I always forget about on-click vocalizations outside of NPCs who can still talk and make sound despite ingame audio being muted (hate that). Though we're less than a week away from doing this on live servers, I'll still keep my ears open when I do more islands in the event that I find something we haven't found by then.

As for the flag stuff, I do realize it's not literally a switch that's as easy to change as replacing a word with another word in Microsoft Word (though I wish it was, would make the task a hell of a lot easier). Just grab Dave from Accounting and tell him to just change every "not tameable" instance to "tameable" for a week lol. I do F6 and report every single beast that has a family as something that should be tameable, using my trusty "This beast NPC should be flagged as Tameable for Hunter players as a (family)", replacing (family) with the obvious choice like serpent for snakes or bear for bears. I do that every island, and thank god for copy paste being a thing.

[WerebearGuy]

I have exposed your dirty secret, Wain!

Entirely on a random tangent, I just checked tameable undead creatures for both live and beta. One of the first odd discrepancies I saw was Gluth being tameable on beta and not live. I checked Petopia, and sure enough, Gluth is listed as tameable on live even though wowhead says otherwise. This got me curious, because that's a really odd thing. So, since I have undead taming on live, I went to Naxxramas to see what's what. Sure enough, Gluth is NOT tameable on live right now, so you had that wrong for possibly years now lol. Afterwards, I went to beta to go and see if beast lore said otherwise (since I CAN'T COPY MY ACCOUNT DATA STILL). Sure enough, he is tameable on beta. This was a fun little thing to discover.

[Wain]

One of the first odd discrepancies I saw was Gluth being tameable on beta and not live. I checked Petopia, and sure enough, Gluth is listed as tameable on live even though wowhead says otherwise. This got me curious, because that's a really odd thing. So, since I have undead taming on live, I went to Naxxramas to see what's what. Sure enough, Gluth is NOT tameable on live right now, so you had that wrong for possibly years now lol. Afterwards, I went to beta to go and see if beast lore said otherwise (since I CAN'T COPY MY ACCOUNT DATA STILL). Sure enough, he is tameable on beta. This was a fun little thing to discover.

Gluth was most definitely tameable!

Did you try Normal 10 player? Because originally it was only tameable in that very specific difficulty, but I thought they fixed that. Maybe not!

[Wain]

Also, for ref, this thread from 2021: viewtopic.php?p=624849

[WerebearGuy]

Yep, I was on 25 (only remember this because I got Arrowsong, a bow I've literally never seen drop). So it looks like Gluth got fixed to be tameable on all versions of Naxxramas in the beta.

[Tsukina]

It still bothers me a lot that npcs on the islands, with super cool names like Nok-arak <Warrior's Lament>, continue to be indomitable.

https://www.wowhead.com/npc=140297/nok-arak

And yes, I know there are 2 generic noname mobs with the same appearance. But it's not the same.