Mounts in Legion

[Xota]

They just switched up the gladiator mounts, I'd be willing to bet that they haven't finalized all the mounts and their sources yet. It just that the pvp ones are known because gladiator always has a mount, and vicious always has a mount, and prestige was pretty obviously going to get a mount since they needed to give it vanity rewards.

PvE has various places that mounts can be placed, so I expect that by the time legion comes out, more will be assigned. And as the content patches come out, even more pve mounts will be assigned (since the entire expansion-worth of pvp mounts are already announced).

Also, pve mounts tend to be account-wide, many of the pvp mounts are single character only. As far as I can remember, class mounts are the only pve ones that aren't account wide. So if you're not going to count the demon hunter mounts, then I don't think you should include any of the single character mounts for pvp.

[Valnaaros]

So if you're not going to count the demon hunter mounts, then I don't think you should include any of the single character mounts for pvp.

Agreed.

[Wain]

Yep. None of the regular moose or storm drakes have sources yet (though one moose is likely to be leatherworking, as I mentioned). And there are other things, like hippogryphs, where colours aren't assigned yet too. So hopefully we'll see more before release. The proportion of pvp mounts is still likely to be higher than usual but they really did need to put in something substantial for the Prestige system.

I really miss being able to work hard to reach exalted with a faction and have a bunch of mounts as a reward, but that seems to have fallen out of favour these days. They could potentially do that with the non-armoured storm drakes, and mirror the nether drake thing from BC but my guess is that the colours will all have different sources.

Regarding the DH mount, I simply didn't count it because it can't be earned by a regular character at all. It's just a giveaway for someone who is on a demon hunter. But sure, count it and the proportion won't shift much.

[Iowawolf]

In case no one has mentioned this on the PTR I got on my Grove Warden and they did fix it where we no longer have to look at its butt it behaves like any other mount with the camera.

[Nachtwulf]

Does it still rock you back and forth violently like a playground pony? That's what bugs me about the bloody thing.

[SpiritBinder]

Yeah, numbers for PVE mounts do seem to be kinda down a little this expansion (Compared to other expansion beginnings)
Currently confirmed are 14 (including raid/dungeon Metas), or only 9 if you exclude them. Though as Wayne mentioned we don't have an sources for the non armored Storm Drakes and Moose thus far, so they should bump up the numbers a lot if made available. It almost seems like they are going in the opposite direction now with mount colours/variations. There are quite a few different mount models, but near all of them have only one colour made or available.

I don't think they got the feedback regarding this quite right. People didn't appreciate the fact there were so many "Boar/Talbuk/etc" mount reclours used as different reward types. It wasn't the options to pick you favorite colour, it was mainly that it just seemed that every reward was the same model, and there seemed to be a LOT of them (And to be fair, 12!! boar variants is shit load of pretty much the same) I think that, as much as they are trying to make things thematic/savage/gritty, a lot of the colour variants between a lot of the WoD mounts were not that obvious/different. It wasn't until they added the Felboar and Helboar that there was some real colour variants, the previous where kind of rather drab?



So now this time it seems that they are just offering one mount/colour variant off most mounts. Even if they had 3 colour options? Say with the Llothien Prowler, instead of just getting the one, they could offer a choice of an Orange Fox, Silver Fox, Black Fox as the reward. So you could pick your favorite colour perhaps, and then if you redo the quest on an alt you could then pick a different colour.



Or say once you get your achievement "Underbelly Tycoon" and get your Ratstallion, you can then go to Matthew Rabis and buy a couple of additional colour versions (Maybe an Albino or Black Rat) for some more Sightless Eye currency. Anyways, it just seems like it's gone from one extreme to another regarding choice and colour variations.


That said, there are 17 so far confirmed for PVP, which is pretty dam exception for the beginning of an expansion.

[Lupen202]

I don't think they got the feedback regarding this quite right. People didn't appreciate the fact there were so many "Boar/Talbuk/etc" mount reclours used as different reward types. It wasn't the options to pick you favorite colour, it was mainly that it just seemed that every reward was the same model, and there seemed to be a LOT of them

Exactly. As a collector, I love when there are multiple variants of the same model. It's nice having different colors to choose from, so everyone can pick their favorite, and the extras are always a nice boost to your mount count. But one rep alone can easily offer all or most of the recolors, much like netherwings - there's just simply no need for multiple achievements, rares, reps, etc. to all award the same model.

That's when recolors start to get annoying. And that was the problem with mounts in WoD.

I'd like some quantity but variety as well... just sitting here crossing my fingers that all the unicorn and storm drake colors make it in.

[Nachtwulf]

AND THE FLOOFALIZARDS

Yeah, I know, they're kind of ridiculous but I -like- that. There isn't a lot of choice in 'garishly colored mounts' except for the hawkstriders and that's only if you're horde.

Edit: WTB toucan mount plz

[Wain]

Agreed. I believe that if, in Draenor, you had reached Exalted with some faction and then been able to buy any or all of their 4-6 boar mounts, nobody would have complained about how many boar mounts there were. It's only because each was held up as individually special that players started to complain that it was JAFBM.

[Xota]

I disagree. There was a wide variety of mounts in WoD, not even counting recolors. I think because there were so many recolors though, players felt like there wasn't that much variety. If all the boars had been tied to Ashran, for example, then you'd have players upset they'd have to pvp to get a boar. Or if all the talbuks had been from the garrison stables, that'd be seen as boring and unengaging. I don't think just clefthoofs being rare spawn drops would have made more people happier. A lot of people don't have the time to camp or server hop, and they'd not be able to get a clefthoof.

It seems like there isn't a way to do mounts that won't make players upset. WoD had a variety of mounts with a variety of recolors, available to people who played the game in a variety of ways. The only significant mount change I would have made to WoD mounts would be the laughing skull mount should have had a skull face guard.

[Valnaaros]

Agreed, Xota. And as I've said, there is still plenty of time for the other unused mounts to be added in. It doesn't take much to have them added as a drop from some rare or boss, be a rep reward, etc.

[SpiritBinder]

I disagree. There was a wide variety of mounts in WoD, not even counting recolors. I think because there were so many recolors though, players felt like there wasn't that much variety. If all the boars had been tied to Ashran, for example, then you'd have players upset they'd have to pvp to get a boar. Or if all the talbuks had been from the garrison stables, that'd be seen as boring and unengaging. I don't think just clefthoofs being rare spawn drops would have made more people happier. A lot of people don't have the time to camp or server hop, and they'd not be able to get a clefthoof.

It seems like there isn't a way to do mounts that won't make players upset. WoD had a variety of mounts with a variety of recolors, available to people who played the game in a variety of ways. The only significant mount change I would have made to WoD mounts would be the laughing skull mount should have had a skull face guard.

I agree with your disagreement?

Sorry if I was unclear, I wasn't saying that WOD only consisted of recolours, according to numbers WoD started with 19 PvE different mount models (reexcluding colours) compared to the 14 confirmed so far for Legion. When I said "Yeah, numbers for PVE mounts do seem to be kinda down a little this expansion (Compared to other expansion beginnings)" I was mainly meaning in reference to the number of unique models.

But I'll have to disagree with the "It seems like there isn't a way to do mounts that won't make players upset." statement. 1stly there has never been a unique mount model, that was had multiple colours, that was PVP elusive. There have been a recoloured version or a one off fancy version, but never "All boars are PVP only" The only time this has come close is Armored versions of of drakes/cloud serpents/etc. where the armor set them apart, not the model.

Ironically, Legion thus far is the only expansion to do this with the Courser (Unicorn) mounts, which not to many were thrilled about due to the compulsory PvP factor to use this unique model type.

Another issue WoD faced that upset players was still the sheer number of similar rewards from different sources, and in some cases vastly differing in skill/effort
You could get an Armored Frostboar for doing some dailies consecutively by yourself requiring no too much skill/gear.... Or you could get a Frostplains Battleboar, which was a the Heroic Dungeon Meta that requires 5 people, 23 tricky achievements and pretty decent gear, it just didn't add up.

When it comes to recolours however, they also recently just came out and said, it can take MONTHS for them to make a new model and animate it, and also said it takes them and couple of hours to make a colour variations. Again like I said, it really just feels like they have taken that part of the feedback too far this time.

For me, numbers factually, they are down on the numbers of unique models compared to previous expansions released thus far. Coupled with the fact they they nearly all come in 1 colour variant, it feels very low.

Agreed, Xota. And as I've said, there is still plenty of time for the other unused mounts to be added in. It doesn't take much to have them added as a drop from some rare or boss, be a rep reward, etc.

The reality is the actual difference between confirmed numbers (including recolours) is 14 from legion, and 41!!! from launch. Now I'm not saying that all numbers have to be exactly even, but some how I don't think they are gong to add even close to 37 mounts/colour options before launch

[Magnakilro]

Head's up for those that want the Arcane Hippogryph mount.....according to MMO-C the 'Legion Dungeon Hero' meta's required achs will require you to be doing Mythic to earn them as of the latest build.

[SpiritBinder]

I did see the Heavenly Jade Serpent has made an appearance (which I found rather surprising considering it's a celestial Model)

Heavenly Jade Cloud Serpent - Flying Mount. Spell #127165. "Warmth and wisdom emanate from this great creature, which glows like moonlight passing through the finest jade." Legacy

[Valnaaros]

As far as I'm aware, it has been in the DB for a while now. All of them have. Didn't see anything about it in this build

[Magnakilro]

the Arcadian Turtle is no longer from Blacksmiths...its now sold by Xur'ios.

Leatherworkers can make a Great Northern Elderhorn mount

The Bronze and Ivory Courser mounts (unicorns) are Prestige pvp mounts. No word on the other colors

[SpiritBinder]

As far as I'm aware, it has been in the DB for a while now. All of them have. Didn't see anything about it in this build

I think this may be the 1st time it's received a Spell ID though.

Not sure why, but personally I always imagined it would end up a "Monk Only" Class Mount.

[Lupen202]

If we get the heavenly Jade, I'll be ecstatic... As long as it isn't impossible to get. Jade has always been my favorite and it was a shame it was never added due to Yulon.

I just don't know what the source could possibly be... Where would it fit, multiple expansions later? Azure is already a mount achievement so I highly doubt it'd be from that... Plus the whole "legacy" thing in the description.

[Magnakilro]

I'd say maybe for ppl that maxxed their ring in WoD? That's a HUGE stretch but its all I got

[Nachtwulf]

For a second, I thought Xur'ios was the mad merchant guy and the turtle was gonna cost 4920394029384029348023948 gold like the spider. But no, it's the curious coins dude. Thats... well, that makes it at least doable, if not fast.