Nozdormu, Aspect of the Infinite?

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Read these again, Comett. Nozdormu is meant to be a custodian, and custodians typically don't own the building that they are charged with maintaining. If he were to die, then Anachronos or Soridormi would take his place and continue to lead the bronze dragonflight.
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I always envisioned Nozdormu becoming the main antagonist of an expansion (perhaps next one)

Good plot twists. Maybe there would be a scene at the end where Anachronos has to kill his father in order to preserve time.

I think knowing ahead of time that your inevitable end will be when your son kills you is enough to drive anyone a bit mad and do whatever it takes to prevent it from happening.
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Royi wrote:I always envisioned Nozdormu becoming the main antagonist of an expansion (perhaps next one)

Good plot twists. Maybe there would be a scene at the end where Anachronos has to kill his father in order to preserve time.

I think knowing ahead of time that your inevitable end will be when your son kills you is enough to drive anyone a bit mad and do whatever it takes to prevent it from happening.
That death would be ridiculously easy to prevent. Don't have a son. xD

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Saturo wrote:
Royi wrote:I always envisioned Nozdormu becoming the main antagonist of an expansion (perhaps next one)

Good plot twists. Maybe there would be a scene at the end where Anachronos has to kill his father in order to preserve time.

I think knowing ahead of time that your inevitable end will be when your son kills you is enough to drive anyone a bit mad and do whatever it takes to prevent it from happening.
That death would be ridiculously easy to prevent. Don't have a son. xD
Just adopt? :) Back with the Greeks, Cronus was foretold that one of his children would eventually kill him, so he attempted to eat all of his babies (they didnt die, just were stuck in his belly). I think Zeus was maybe the 7th or the 8th child by Cronus.

Nozdormu maybe just couldnt keep it in his dragon-pants too.
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Gah, if that happens, then there's going to be this entire plot time-warp shit. D:

Wait- that'd be cool...

Anachronos kills Nozdormu, which eliminates himself, which then makes him disappear but if he disappeared then he couldn't have killed Nozdormu so he's there but not there, and suddenly the whole fabric of space and time in Azeroth deteriorates into a back drop from that 70's show.

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Side note it would be cool though if it some-how spit us out into an alternative reality the likes of Warcraft Orcs and Humans or something D: Or like one of the earlier games.

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well for my 2cents, like someone stated he could be trying to prevent azeroth from destructions and the like with the infinate. I mean just an example look at MOST of the CoT instacnes.

1) the Dark Portal: we help "open it" more or less, we prevent it from not bing opened now imagine what would happen if it didn't open? the burning leagon wouldnt be trying to pour into azeroth.

2) Culling of Strat.: We help Arthas get to Malganis who in turn leads arthas to northrend ( and becomes theLK)

I am not really all that knowledgeable on some wow lore but is you look at it that way... i would say in those 2 instances ( pulling a blank on the other atm) its almost like stated by someoneelse, the infinate are trying to HELP Azeroth. Just my 2cents though xD
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The burning legion would have just opened portals at a later date after being attracted to azeroth via elf magic, and then none of the mortal races would have banded together to fight them off.

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Moore wrote:Gah, if that happens, then there's going to be this entire plot time-warp shit. D:

Wait- that'd be cool...

Anachronos kills Nozdormu, which eliminates himself, which then makes him disappear but if he disappeared then he couldn't have killed Nozdormu so he's there but not there, and suddenly the whole fabric of space and time in Azeroth deteriorates into a back drop from that 70's show.

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Side note it would be cool though if it some-how spit us out into an alternative reality the likes of Warcraft Orcs and Humans or something D: Or like one of the earlier games.

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As for Stratholme, if Arthas hadn't been lured by Mal'Ganis to Northrend and Forstmourne, then he wouldn't have become an agent of the Lich King, wouldn't have manipulated Illidan Stormrage into obtaining the Skull of Gul'dan and through it becoming powerful enough to kill one of the Burning Legion's best strategists, wouldn't have merged with the Lich King and his last flicker of humanity wouldn't have restrained the Scourge just enough to allow us to win the war on the Scourge and end his suffering.
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i think they could bypass all the paradox time-warp ness, by simply having Anachronos and Nozdormu battle it out in real time.

When Nozdormu is finally defeated, Anachronos takes full command of the Bronze Dragonflight, and then sets out on a quest on how to figure out how to bring his father back.

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Source: http://www.wowwiki.com/Infinite_dragonflight (link was also posted by Maladramatic). The quotes are the ones with a ■ and everything else that doesnt have one is my own text.

"■The World of Warcraft history site states that during the titans' creation "...there were many Dragonflights." This makes it a possibility, however faint, that the Infinite Dragonflight was always there."

"■Assuming he is the leader of the Infinite Dragonflight it may be possible that Nozdormu, knowing when he is slated to die, may be attempting to alter history in various ways to prevent his death. What these three events in particular may have to do with preventing it is an unknown at this time. An unfortunate but possible result of this meddling could be a commonality in time travel stories where someone trying to prevent an event from happening eventually causes it in the end after all. Another possible theory about the "Master" is that the Infinite Dragonflight served another master that was somehow destroyed and Nozdormu took his place. It is possible that they were once evil but then turned good if Nozdormu really is their master."

(the 'three' events are the Infinite Dragonflights involvement in 3 dungeons within CoT)

"■The fact that the alterations in the time line that the Infinite Dragonflight tried to bring about would have ultimately benefitted the Burning Legion suggests that the infinite dragons may be acting on the Legion's behalf."

"■Many people believe that the dragonflight is a force of good. If they had stopped Medivh from opening the Dark Portal, the Legion would have not invaded the Azeroth using demonized orcs. This would have allowed the humans, dwarves, and high elves alliance to band together and destroy the shattered remains of the Legion in the Eastern Kingdoms.-- This theory is suggested by Chrono-Lord Deja's comment during the opening of the Dark Portal: "Why do you aid the Magus? Just think of how many lives could be saved if the portal is never opened, if the resulting wars could be erased..." This suggests the Infinite Dragonflight wants people to survive."

(There are numerous rerences that the Infinite Dragonflight is a good dragonflight. Others say they are what the Bronze Dragonflight will turn into with time. Others say that the ones serving Nozdormu in 'current time' are evil and the ones in the past are 'good' though that part didnt make too much sense to me but in terms of the Infinite possibly being the future of the Bronze Dragonflight... "■When you encounter Aeonus in Black Morass, he says "Your time is up, slave of the past!" when he despawns a Time Keeper. This makes stronger the speculation that Bronze Dragonflight is actualy past version of Infinite Dragonflight.")

"■-- The fact that Infinite Dragonflight wants mortals to survive is also suggested during the culling with Chrono-Lord Epoch's comment to Arthas, "the deaths you are destined to cause will this day be your own", suggesting the Infinite Dragonflight does not like death of innocent people, assuming his comments are truthful."

And one last final one......

"■Knowing about his eventual death, these events may be tests, set up by Nozdormu to train and mold heroes to one day take his place in maintaining the timelines, the wish that the tests be passed also explains why a benevolent Dragon would set in motion potentially destructive events."

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Good stuff there Xakaal. Infinite is the future bronze.... going back in time to change events for the better....

I'm thinking..... Nozdormu final boss of the Sands of Time raid. If done on heroic 25 man, the true boss of the instance, the true ruler of the Infinite will appear.....

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Royi wrote:Good stuff there Xakaal. Infinite is the future bronze.... going back in time to change events for the better....

I'm thinking..... Nozdormu final boss of the Sands of Time raid. If done on heroic 25 man, the true boss of the instance, the true ruler of the Infinite will appear.....

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LOL I love Chromie <333

Also wanted to quote something i read in Cometts post...
Comett wrote:I believe he doesn't just watch over time, but he controls it and tweaks the strings and makes sure it all works smoothly
He doesnt have the ability to control time BUT he can indeed tweak and alter it.

Quote:Nozdormu is tasked with ensuring that the flow of time occurs normally, without interruption, and that events happen as they are fated. To accomplish this mission, Nozdormu knows much about the nature of time. He uses his abilities and powers to prevent others from discovering these same secrets. Should a sorcerer or other mortal being begin to delve too deeply into magic that alters or affects time, Nozdormu always steps in to remove the threat, one way or another.

^Explaining what exactly Nozdormu does. Hes like the Assistant Manager while Aman'Thul is the Owner xD

Quote: --he had a brief conversation with Krasus, where he thanked the him for his assistance, and agreed to temporarily watch over the clutch of blue dragon eggs the dragon-mage had saved. This marked one of the few (if not the only) times the Aspect had allowed the timeline to altered, in the belief that a few blue dragons would be better than no blue dragons and then apologised for the wrongs he would commit in the future.

^War of the Ancients, he does indeed have the ability to alter time as he wishes but he only does it according to what he believes. He also wasnt faced with the same kind of problems as he is now.

Aaaaaalsoooo on a different note since its been bugging me and i want to try and avoid the question or firm mention that its true (which it isnt)... in other places ive read that people believe that the night elves have their immortality back now that Noldrassil has been restored (in reality it still has another few centuries the WoWwiki site says) and that it may or may not restore the elves immortality. I myself dont think it will, i think the Aspects will need to bless it a second time -shrug-

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Xakaal wrote:Aaaaaalsoooo on a different note since its been bugging me and i want to try and avoid the question or firm mention that its true (which it isnt)... in other places ive read that people believe that the night elves have their immortality back now that Noldrassil has been restored (in reality it still has another few centuries the WoWwiki site says) and that it may or may not restore the elves immortality. I myself dont think it will, i think the Aspects will need to bless it a second time -shrug-
Just curious, is that Night Elves, Highbourne, and Blood Elves? They all come from the same gene pool anyways right?
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Same gene pool originally but they dont necessarily keep what they used to have... the highbourne MAAAAYBE will get immortality since they are still by blood, night elves but high elves and blood elves i think are too far gone

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Why wouldnt the dragons see the regrowing of Nordrassil as a selfish endeavor from the night elves just like Teldrassil?

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The tree spent all its power to save the land and everything that lives off it, i dont think it actually died though. Its regrowth also is mostly the result of the magic waters that contain water from the Well of Eternity when Illidan poured a few vials of the water in to create a new well (i believe it was 4/8 vials, 2 are held by Kael'Thas and Vasj respectively and the other 2 are missing-- that is if there were 8 vials in all). Its not necessarily selfish but rather nature and the result of an action taken 10,000 years ago taking its course.

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Moore wrote:Why wouldnt the dragons see the regrowing of Nordrassil as a selfish endeavor from the night elves just like Teldrassil?
Nozdormu granted the kaldorei immortality, but linked to Nordrassil; it was to make it in the self interest of the kaldorei to guard the World Tree with their lives. Teldrassil was grown by Fandral Staghelm for the specific purpose of restoring the immortality of the kaldorei, which was why the aspects refused to bless Teldrassil.
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But in The Shattering by Christie Goldman, Ysera and Alexstraza blessed Teldrassil. Don't think it gave the nightelves their immortality back, but it is blessed now.
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