just a thought

[Dr. Rockso]

I would love for there to be a common version of a Spirit Beast. Yes, I know, some of us don't want it. But why not? What harm does it do you? None. What gain does it give others? Plenty. If you don't want it, ignore it, pitch a small fit, or quit. It's all up to you. But who are we to determine how other people play based on our own selfish whims? Don't forget: not everyone shares your opinions. All opinions are worth the same and common courtesy dictates that we should be polite. Not allowing others to possibly have a more enjoyable time than they are now is selfish, impolite, and rather rude.

Just some food for thought.

any hunters have just as much opportunity to get this pet as the next, its just nice to have a pet family that is rare. If you want to make everyone happy get rid of all rares and make everything common, theirs a though

[Aeladrine]

Rockso;; And yet you have not answered the question. What harm does this do you? No good will ever come of trying to make everyone happy. This topic is proof of that, as are many of the other topics in these forums. You will never come to a decision where everyone is happy. However, you can come to a decision where the majority are happy. You can come to a decision that will allow for a better community. You can come to a decision that allows more stability in the long run. This decision does not encompass all of those, but very few decisions do. My point is this: there is no good reason not to have common spirit beasts and there are plenty of good reasons to have them. Putting yourself before the rest of the community and not allowing progress is a selfish act. Allowing the community to progress, even if you do not entirely agree with the manner of it progressing, is a selfless one.

[Chimera]

I dont consider camping for 10 hours a day and losing to a griefer who takes pride in making others miserable 'good hard work'

I am going to stick by this quote of mine for anyone who tells me anything similar, i dont believe that a game needs to be as hard, time consuming, challanging, and headache inducing as the struggle someone who works a full time job and may or may not have children deals with each day to earn the stuff that keeps us alive and comfortable (i dont live that kind of life but my dad and stepmom are perfet examples with my baby step-sister). Games are supposed to be fun, its why we play them. Yes this example is quite extreme but when you think about it, changing one teeny tiny thing like changing a particular aspect of the game goes a long way in giving players who welcome the change a peace of mind.

They changed the death knights talent trees, i was pissed all too hell while others welcomed it. I stopped seriously playing a death knight and now i hardly ever touch em. You can do the same thing for this spirit beast. You dont like it, dont tame it. Camp it for all i care, its a quest target (example), you'll go to bed eventually and it will 100% for sure be up when i go to tame in peace. <_<;; >_>;; Same goes for the common mob grief kill you talked about Ocyen. Its a common mob, yes its a person griefing but at least you didnt spend all day and night waiting for it to spawn. You can just move to another spot and tame another one, or wait till the guys gone if he doesnt stop.

Edit: Added another couple sentences to my last paragraph

Another edit: OOOOH they should make faction related spirit beasts, common of course. Take one color of a model and make it only horde tameable and the other one can be a diff color and ally tameable. Its just like how horde and ally end up with different mounts for doing the same kind of rep grind (argent tourney is perfect example). Kinda like how ally have to make the trek into mulgore for a barking wolf yet horde can tame easy peasy with hardly any travel yet they gotta go aaaaallllll the way to, say, the human start ground in elewyn to tame that smexy Northrend-Worg model <333

[Ocyen]

Rockso;; And yet you have not answered the question. What harm does this do you? No good will ever come of trying to make everyone happy. This topic is proof of that, as are many of the other topics in these forums. You will never come to a decision where everyone is happy. However, you can come to a decision where the majority are happy. You can come to a decision that will allow for a better community. You can come to a decision that allows more stability in the long run. This decision does not encompass all of those, but very few decisions do. My point is this: there is no good reason not to have common spirit beasts and there are plenty of good reasons to have them. Putting yourself before the rest of the community and not allowing progress is a selfish act. Allowing the community to progress, even if you do not entirely agree with the manner of it progressing, is a selfless one.

I actually think it would cause a bit of harm to the community. There goes your good luck charms, the heart felt "aww, that sucks that it got ganked from you" threads, the joy of posting that victorious screen shot of you and your new shiny Spirit Beast you saw on Petopia at level 10.

I can see there being a positive side to a common Spirit Beast, I really do. Spirit Mend is a unique ability that everyone can use. There is also a negative. No one will be happy either way. It's just my opinion, probably shared by a few that if there is a common Spirit Beast (quest mob or not), it devalues all the posts people have made previously about their beast tames...and the losses. From what I have read in my short time in this community, a lot of it is based around the "rare tame" and not just another common.

[Dr. Rockso]

Rockso;; And yet you have not answered the question. What harm does this do you? No good will ever come of trying to make everyone happy. This topic is proof of that, as are many of the other topics in these forums. You will never come to a decision where everyone is happy. However, you can come to a decision where the majority are happy. You can come to a decision that will allow for a better community. You can come to a decision that allows more stability in the long run. This decision does not encompass all of those, but very few decisions do. My point is this: there is no good reason not to have common spirit beasts and there are plenty of good reasons to have them. Putting yourself before the rest of the community and not allowing progress is a selfish act. Allowing the community to progress, even if you do not entirely agree with the manner of it progressing, is a selfless one.

it dose no harm to me if they make it common but whats the harm in keeping it rare? Why is it when somthing is rare and requires you to do a little work to get it people expect others to just hand it to them. Like i said this pet family represents the thrill of the hunt.

in the same perspective why dont we just make the heroic Deathwing encounter a fight to where you just go up to Deathwing and buy all the items you want for him for 1 copper

and dont be so sure that the majority would be happy with the decision to make the spirit beast a common mob, you may be surprised how many people would not like this idea

[Chimera]

I think the forum would be much brighter if there wasnt the need for threads talking about how someone came up and brutally murdered something you were trying hard for. (Though i do appreciate seeing the consolation corner pop up rather then a dozen threads of ppl talking about how they lost a pet to a griefer or tame-stealer). Also, why do you need a specific reason to say HEY OMG GUYS LOOK WHAT I JUST TAMED!!!....... If its special enough to you, post it! Im tired of seeing those threads about someone taming a rarespawn that is only rare because people find it funny to make someone miserable by killing it though when i do post in them its sincere but i havent even bothered to look in them for a while now. I much perfer the ones where you are posting about it because you've made a bond, not because you got the tame off first, before someone else.

[Aeladrine]

Ocyen;; And there is where I, personally, would have to disagree with you. It would not devalue any posts, pets, or screenshots, unless the taker and maker is the one devaluing. Very few people on this forum would ever tell you that your common pet is worth less than your rare one. Many of us feel the opposite way: people bash on commons so... commonly that we can't help but protect our babies. Sure, I have rares. And yes, I love them dearly. But on my main, my go-to pet is the ghost saber I've had since level 22. On Aela, my alt, it's Cayenne, the common red fox who I ran all the way to Loch Modan to get as a level 16 blood elf leveling in the Forsaken areas. That run was the most painful thing I have ever done. It was worse than my camps for TLPD, Loque, and Arcturis all put together.

I'm very sorry that you have seen little other than rares in your time here so far. But that's not what we're about here at Petopia; it's not what we're about at all. We are about being hunters, being a community, and loving our pets. We are not about trophies and shinies, though we will always welcome those who are.

Rockso;; Keeping an entire family of only rare pets is harmful to the community. It causes strife and anger, as well as pain and fear. If you doubt that, just check out The Consolation Corner; I'm sure you'll find more than enough proof to gorge yourself on in there. On top of that, what you're suggesting is both ludicrous and completely irrelevant. It has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand, nor is it in any way the same thing. And, throughout these forums and the official ones, there have been cries for a common spirit beast mob almost since the first of the sparklepets were released. Every time, the naysayers are far outnumbered by those who think it's a good idea and even many of the naysayers will say that, while they do not like it or want it, they understand why others do. Can you understand the want for one?

[Twigget]

No thank you. I don't think there should be a 'common' spirit beast, because like most have said, it takes away from the fact that it's a UNIQUE pet class. It's not hard for casuals to get Skoll or Loque now, so why not just go for it and be content? Why take away the uniqueness? Because you don't want to farm? Tough luck. That's like asking Blizz to hand over raid gear and rare mounts, because you don't want to put the effort into working for it.

So, once again, no thanks on this idea. It's not hard for casuals to get anything when it comes to Spirit Beasts.

[Dr. Rockso]

Rockso;; Keeping an entire family of only rare pets is harmful to the community. It causes strife and anger, as well as pain and fear. If you doubt that, just check out The Consolation Corner; I'm sure you'll find more than enough proof to gorge yourself on in there. On top of that, what you're suggesting is both ludicrous and completely irrelevant. It has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand, nor is it in any way the same thing. And, throughout these forums and the official ones, there have been cries for a common spirit beast mob almost since the first of the sparklepets were released. Every time, the naysayers are far outnumbered by those who think it's a good idea and even many of the naysayers will say that, while they do not like it or want it, they understand why others do. Can you understand the want for one?

the deathwing thing was simply a example of things being handed to u like making a spirit beast common is handing people a ability/pet family that was ment to be rare

all rares cause anger and pain you just cant get past that ( really if you are feeling anger and pain from a pet in the game you might want to take a break from wow) so in that aspect why not maker everything common and not have any uniqueness to a hunter pet

[Aeladrine]

Rockso;; That was not a good example. A good example would've been: How would you feel if it was your Loque or you Krush or your Skoll that became a common model? Wouldn't you be upset? Wouldn't you be angry that people are getting things you worked hard for for free?

My rebuttal would've been a simple: No, I wouldn't. It has happened time and time again throughout this game. After each season, PvP gear becomes available for a much reduced price. Recoloured tier sets are available that are far easier to get than the originals ever were. Should not hunter pets be the same way? At some point, things get reused. Things are made available to a greater variety of people so that all can experience it. What makes pets so special that they should be exempt from this? We've had our rare-only spirit beasts for a good long run now, why not put them to rest? A common spirit beast is the cheap PvP gear of the pet world. It's not always the same colour and everyone knows you didn't work as hard for it, but you still have it.

Another thing: a game that can invoke emotions is to be strived for. Movie and game makers alike hope to make people scream, cry, laugh, and piss themselves. World of Warcraft is no different. The fact that I can and will get angry over this game, be it in the cutscenes, the PvP or some random happenstance, means that Blizzard is doing their job and giving us a fantastic game.

[Dr. Rockso]

Rockso;; That was not a good example. A good example would've been: How would you feel if it was your Loque or you Krush or your Skoll that became a common model? Wouldn't you be upset? Wouldn't you be angry that people are getting things you worked hard for for free?

My rebuttal would've been a simple: No, I wouldn't. It has happened time and time again throughout this game. After each season, PvP gear becomes available for a much reduced price. Recoloured tier sets are available that are far easier to get than the originals ever were. Should not hunter pets be the same way? At some point, things get reused. Things are made available to a greater variety of people so that all can experience it. What makes pets so special that they should be exempt from this? We've had our rare-only spirit beasts for a good long run now, why not put them to rest? A common spirit beast is the cheap PvP gear of the pet world. It's not always the same colour and everyone knows you didn't work as hard for it, but you still have it.

Another thing: a game that can invoke emotions is to be strived for. Movie and game makers alike hope to make people scream, cry, laugh, and piss themselves. World of Warcraft is no different. The fact that I can and will get angry over this game, be it in the cutscenes, the PvP or some random happenstance, means that Blizzard is doing their job and giving us a fantastic game.

with that pvp gear they do reduce the price but you still need to put a little effort into getting it and with spirit beasts they add more and more spirit beats to the game in aspect reducing the price/time you have to pay to get one

anger in a game sure, Pain? no that's where i would draw the line if a games causing me pain that's just common scene to stop what your doing or take a break

[Chimera]

I dont see why calling Spirit Beasts raid gear is making an argument... in vanilla the hardest thing hunters went through was trying to learn a specific skill from one pet to teach to another pet. These are not pieces of shiny armor, these are extentions of our class, as importaint to us as our bow or gun. Warlocks dont need to work for their demons anymore, druids dont need to work for their animal forms anymore, why do hunters need to work for something that is a part of their class? Armor is armor. Yes it makes you stronger but its not a part of you like a demon to a warlock and a shapeshift form to a druid. We shouldnt have to fight for something that is a part of our class and not an addition that makes us just that much more awesome above everyone else.

And i thought of another spirit beast they could make, a moth <3 they're already so mythical and sparkily, make it glow a bit, make it a little wispy (not like ban'thalos tho), and introduce it as a common mob to Ashenvale somewhere, at one of the night elf ruins (the old old stonework ruins, not the newly destroyed ruins), it would look goooorgeous

Edit: To my 'calling spirit beasts raid gear' comment, it was to the people who are trying to make that an excuse to keep them rare. We dont need the sarcasm either Rockso but thanks anyways. And i like that example Ael, yes its comparing spirit beasts to armor but much to my dismay it seems to be the only way to get the point at least half way across the board

The sarcasm i was refering to btw, thought i should make it clear what post i was mentioning, im calling it sarcasm cause it feels like it to me but my grasp on the english vocabulary can be a bit rocky

in the same perspective why dont we just make the heroic Deathwing encounter a fight to where you just go up to Deathwing and buy all the items you want for him for 1 copper

Another edit: Quick apology, accidently wrote the wrong name but its fixed now ^-^

[Dr. Rockso]

I dont see why calling Spirit Beasts raid gear is making an argument... in vanilla the hardest thing hunters went through was trying to learn a specific skill from one pet to teach to another pet. These are not pieces of shiny armor, these are extentions of our class, as importaint to us as our bow or gun. Warlocks dont need to work for their demons anymore, druids dont need to work for their animal forms anymore, why do hunters need to work for something that is a part of their class? Armor is armor. Yes it makes you stronger but its not a part of you like a demon to a warlock and a shapeshift form to a druid. We shouldnt have to fight for something that is a part of our class and not an addition that makes us just that much more awesome above everyone else.

in that sense eliminate all rare pets from the game make everything common

and that wasn't sarcasm that was an example of how things would be if we where just handed everything we want

[Chimera]

i would LOVE that. I find spirit beasts to un-balance the system with their heal being something you can only get if you get a spirit beast which is currently rarespawns only. Every other family there is a common mob for that ability so people dont need to fight over those families if we are looking specifically for perks and not looks or rarity.

[Dr. Rockso]

making everything common takes away uniqueness and alot of people like the uniqueness in this game

[Chimera]

ONE common spirit beast isnt going to make everyone who likes 'uniqueness' quit though. In fact if we actually knew eachother in person i would bet you $200 honest to Malorne himself that no one would quit the game and leave their reason for leaving as or something similiar (obviously not going to be exact words), to blizzard: 'You made a common spirit beast. You suck'.

[Aeladrine]

Our point, Rockso, is that you are only giving the absolute extremes as your examples. That simply doesn't work in a debate. You could say: How would you feel if a third of all the rares out there were made common? You could ask us to see it from your point of view, which, by the way, you haven't clearly explained. Instead, when we give legitimate reasons and attempt to debate this with you so as to come to some kind of conclusion, we are forced to argue your point for you when we don't even know exactly what it is. Though you may not mean to come of as sarcastic and passive-agressive, you do. It's rather hard to see past that and into what you actually mean by your statements.

In case you're wondering, my point is quite simple: Everything changes. It may not change today, tomorrow, or even a year from now, but we should all be prepared for when it does change so that we're not at each other's throats.

[Chimera]

Its 2:30am now, gonna sleep, but gonna leave this. Common Moth and Core hound spirit beasts please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And i feel so bad for you Rockso when blizzard makes a common spirit beast. It will happen, so long as blizzard keept updating WoW, it will happen somewhere down the road and while there will be people to flock to you and grieve beside you in your thread that you made to rant in, the rest of us are going to be overjoyed.

[Dr. Rockso]

Our point, Rockso, is that you are only giving the absolute extremes as your examples. That simply doesn't work in a debate. You could say: How would you feel if a third of all the rares out there were made common? You could ask us to see it from your point of view, which, by the way, you haven't clearly explained. Instead, when we give legitimate reasons and attempt to debate this with you so as to come to some kind of conclusion, we are forced to argue your point for you when we don't even know exactly what it is. Though you may not mean to come of as sarcastic and passive-agressive, you do. It's rather hard to see past that and into what you actually mean by your statements.

In case you're wondering, my point is quite simple: Everything changes. It may not change today, tomorrow, or even a year from now, but we should all be prepared for when it does change so that we're not at each other's throats.

Ocyen Twigget seem to see my point so i obviously must have made it and i dont know how much more clearly i can explain it lol. The spirit beast is a rare pet family if you want that familly you have to put in a little effort to get it that's just how it is blizzard likes to put rare things in the game like that take more than just the common player to get.

And i feel so bad for you Rockso when blizzard makes a common spirit beast. It will happen, so long as blizzard keept updating WoW, it will happen somewhere down the road and while there will be people to flock to you and grieve beside you in your thread that you made to rant in, the rest of us are going to be overjoyed.

lol dont really need your pity and dont come crying to me when the spirit beast remains a rare pet family

[cowmuflage]

King krush is a unique devilsuar that many people get for his uniqueness yet you don't see them crying over the fact theres common devilsuars so why cry over a common sprit beast? It wont ruin any uniqueness to the rare ones.