Arcanite ripper found on black market!

[Bulletdance]

I'm kinda split on this black market thing. As someone lucky enough to have some of the tcg cards in game I'm both happy and angry at the same time to see some up on here. I've had a lot of people ask me where I get my little toys not knowing thier tcg and get to see how dissapointed they are when they realize they probably won't be able to get them. I don't think this changes that much though I'm glad there is an in game way to get some of the tcg item, but I think is should be easier. It also though devalues the amount of real money people spend on the cards. I buy the cards because I like the art mainly,but for people who go after the loot souly its very costly. If the items are going to be sold in game in any fashion they should be made far more easy to obtain with real money either through the Blizz store online or sold as mystery loot packs.

[Royi]

Wow Slickrock, Wain said one comment in the beginning of this thread that categorized the people with 100's of thousands of gold on this game who made it being jerks on the AH as parasites.

He wasn't labeling everyone with 1 million gold as a "parasite", only those who do it through being jerks on the AH.

He mentioned it once, and you've refered back to it negatively about 8 different times in your 20 posts in this thread.

Calm down, he wasnt attacking you.

[Slickrock]

Wow Slickrock, Wain said one comment in the beginning of this thread that categorized the people with 100's of thousands of gold on this game who made it being jerks on the AH as parasites.

He wasn't labeling everyone with 1 million gold as a "parasite", only those who do it through being jerks on the AH.

I'll say it for the last time. I hear it too often in trade, and this and other forums, to assume that he was being that selective. He painted with a broad brush. The general assumption is that AH Barons drive the prices higher, which I've already said here, is not the truth.

[Slickrock]

So, apart from the class warfare argument...

Looked at the BMAH on 3 different servers, and it seems the tier 3 gear starts at 10k. I've seen one rare mount that's a crazy price now, but this is beta, so who knows what the real prices will be. My guess is, based on what the bidding is now like, is that the T3 gear will be cheaper than what some expect, but it still will be expensive to get the whole set.

Also, I don't think these are straight 48 hour auctions. There's a good turnover, and there's items gone that were still "very long" that I saw late Fri. I suspect that Blizz is keeping the timing variable to prevent camping.

Some prices...

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[Kalliope]

I just have to say that the outrage in both directions is ridiculous right now. Blizzard expects us to be able to come up with 60k for the yak mount? Then gold is going to be easier to come by in MoP whether you play the AH or not. Which...we've already discussed. Way too much defensiveness in the other direction; kudos to you on being able to put in that kind of effort. I for one am not inclined to, so when I see stuff posted on the BMAH, I assume up front that I won't be able to afford it. Maybe someday I'll be able to. I don't know. We'll find out.

Glad to hear about variable times. Definitely don't want rich bots turning up there. >_<

[Sasrei]

I already have made some plans to stockpile stuff for Mop, I actually got quite a bit of my gold buying and reselling, but its not buying out the entire stock then reselling but buying the odd low price you see every once and awhile from someone who needs gold and quick. Most of it I put in my alt bank. It happens quite alot if you have the time to watch the AH and see the prices. But thats different from people who do buy them all and put them up for high.. I hate that.

I actually like the BH, think it this way.. yes you may not have the gold for the first while to get things you want but with the huge gold sink other people wont have millions and millions of gold like they do now consistently. So that later on your not still competing for things like tcg mounts or stuff like that from resellers with to much gold Those who are gearing and whatnot will be spending a ton of gold just on that. The normal mounts are expensive to.

[Slickrock]

I just have to say that the outrage in both directions is ridiculous right now. Blizzard expects us to be able to come up with 60k for the yak mount? Then gold is going to be easier to come by in MoP whether you play the AH or not. Which...we've already discussed. Way too much defensiveness in the other direction; kudos to you on being able to put in that kind of effort. I for one am not inclined to, so when I see stuff posted on the BMAH, I assume up front that I won't be able to afford it. Maybe someday I'll be able to. I don't know. We'll find out.

Glad to hear about variable times. Definitely don't want rich bots turning up there. >_<

Not to mention 500k for the JC mount, assuming that sticks. And agreed on not wanting the bots there.

But I bolded something you said. Effort.

Everyone can put in differing degrees of effort into a game such as WoW. That effort will pay in certain results. It's unfair for those who can't or are unwilling to put in the same effort as someone else in game to get the same rewards, whether it is the AH or camping rares. At the same time, the majority of the game should be accessible with reasonable effort, but not everything.

Especially with all the new faction stuff they are adding in Panda, you won't be able to do everything. Too much to do.

[Wain]

Yep. It'll be the domain of parasites who buy up everything on the AH and then inflate it dramatically. Nice class of person to reward.

Slick, re-read my post. I was VERY specific in who I was referring to. Even if I had said what you claimed (and didn't), you said your bit and didn't justify you angrily reposting your indignation every time someone else posted.


If BMAH items can't be resold, then great. But if they can then I suspect we'll see AH farmers intercepting them and then jacking up the prices and taking their cuts.

[Slickrock]

Yep. It'll be the domain of parasites who buy up everything on the AH and then inflate it dramatically. Nice class of person to reward.

Slick, re-read my post. I was VERY specific in who I was referring to. Even if I had said what you claimed (and didn't), you said your bit and didn't justify you angrily reposting your indignation every time someone else posted.


If BMAH items can't be resold, then great. But if they can then I suspect we'll see AH farmers intercepting them and then jacking up the prices and taking their cuts.

Wain, the way I read your post, and I think it was a fair reading, was that you were referring to it as the domain of the people that make their money that way in the first place.

Since you meant reselling of the items from the BMAH, then I apologize. But, we do need to see what the intent there is. They haven't said BOP vs BOE, or if it depends on the item.

I do have some gold on Beta, I'll try to find out, but I need to win a BMAH auction first...

[Wain]

Since you meant reselling of the items from the BMAH, then I apologize. But, we do need to see what the intent there is. They haven't said BOP vs BOE, or if it depends on the item.
I do have some gold on Beta, I'll try to find out, but I need to win a BMAH auction first...

Thanks, it'll be interesting to know, but I'd hold off for a while as things could change and you may end up out of sufficient money before it's settled. Then again I suppose you could always just copy your character to beta again (assuming you have slots left) and double your money

And actually I was referring to people who make their money intercepting items on the regular AH and then reselling them with a cut. I should have still tempered my wording, though. But I have nothing but admiration for people who farm mats or craft items and put them up for sale. I gave up on that long ago as the undercutting on my server was so aggressive I'd have to spend half my waking hours reposting

[Slickrock]

Since you meant reselling of the items from the BMAH, then I apologize. But, we do need to see what the intent there is. They haven't said BOP vs BOE, or if it depends on the item.
I do have some gold on Beta, I'll try to find out, but I need to win a BMAH auction first...

Thanks, it'll be interesting to know, but I'd hold off for a while as things could change and you may end up out of sufficient money before it's settled. Then again I suppose you could always just copy your character to beta again (assuming you have slots left) and double your money

And actually I was referring to people who make their money intercepting items on the regular AH and then reselling them with a cut. I should have still tempered my wording, though. But I have nothing but admiration for people who farm mats or craft items and put them up for sale. I gave up on that long ago as the undercutting on my server was so aggressive I'd have to spend half my waking hours reposting

Undercutting is a pain. Sometimes it's done by bots. That's who the real outrage should be saved for. That's why I get out of the gem market for months at a time, too much work, and deposit costs are too high. And it's why I do things like the volatile transmute instead. Low deposit costs make reposting not a problem.

But for the BMAH, I would not be surprised if gear, mounts, and pets were handled differently, but I hope it's all BOP.

[Kalliope]

Everyone can put in differing degrees of effort into a game such as WoW. That effort will pay in certain results. It's unfair for those who can't or are unwilling to put in the same effort as someone else in game to get the same rewards, whether it is the AH or camping rares. At the same time, the majority of the game should be accessible with reasonable effort, but not everything.

Especially with all the new faction stuff they are adding in Panda, you won't be able to do everything. Too much to do.

Yep, agreed, especially with the bolded part. That's why I'm not complaining about being excluded. For now, anyway! (About the excluded part, not the complaining. Though that too.)

[Ziarre]

Yeah, I'm not fussed about not being able to access some of the game. If I want to make the effort, I can! If I don't, I have other shinies to play with. xP My biggest efforts go into pet camping anyhow.

Edit: Unless you count the Vitreous grind... @_@;

[Slickrock]

Thanks, it'll be interesting to know, but I'd hold off for a while as things could change and you may end up out of sufficient money before it's settled. Then again I suppose you could always just copy your character to beta again (assuming you have slots left) and double your money

Well, I bid on a pet and a piece of Cryptstalker gear. Will have to see what happens with both those.

However...

Looking at the descriptions, the T3 and the mount listed both appear to be BOP. The pet has no such wording, so I'm assuming the pet could be resold.

[Slickrock]

One last note...

I've seen two TCG items (not mounts) and both of them are BOP as well.

There are also rare-quality lvl 600 patterns for sale. If hard to find JC or other patterns show up here, that could be an interesting twist on the market. The pattern appears to be BOE.

The only other BOE thing appears to be the pets.

[Wain]

That's cool. I like that there's a possible way to get tcg pets other than real cash. And since they've never been in the game I don't mind if they're kind of insane gold. I'm more concerned about items that were in the game but are gone because the quest/mob was removed. In the old days there was always a chance they'd add them back to some other mob or place. I'm just worried they'll now lump them all in the "lots of gold on the BMAH" category and not consider that any more. But that's just me being fearful. Hopefully they still will add stuff back via other means.

[Ellaran]

Personally I'm hoping that TCG mounts do end up on the BMAH, along with discontinued rare-drop mounts and discontinued event mounts like the Black Qiraji Battle Tank. Having started playing in the middle of Burning Crusade and never bought any of the trading cards, missing out on those mounts was very irritating, especially the Battle Tank.

[Jelani]

People seem to be forgetting that the limit on dailies will be removed as well so there's a new way to make gold. Do a crap-load of dailies

[Royi]

That's cool. I like that there's a possible way to get tcg pets other than real cash. And since they've never been in the game I don't mind if they're kind of insane gold. I'm more concerned about items that were in the game but are gone because the quest/mob was removed. In the old days there was always a chance they'd add them back to some other mob or place. I'm just worried they'll now lump them all in the "lots of gold on the BMAH" category and not consider that any more. But that's just me being fearful. Hopefully they still will add stuff back via other means.

Swift Zulian Tiger. The mount that forever alluded me, granted I only got about 50-60 runs in during WOTLK when I was on my hunter (there was a easy trick for hunters to solo him), I would love a chance for it to be on the Black Market.

Problem though, if its going to be on sale for 800k, I might as well give up. I think I'm going to try and save up 100k before Panda just to see if I'm able to do it, but then I know I'll find ways to blow it.

[Slickrock]

And since they've never been in the game I don't mind if they're kind of insane gold.

Some of the pets appear to be ones that are still in-game, such as the Argent ones.