11k dps in ICC ?

[Adam-Savage]

I think Arm pen is over rated that or the female dwarf site isn't calculating it right. I added in 500 arm pen and then did it for agility. I got more of a dps gain out of the agility then I did with arm pen.

No, it's not over-rated but what it is is icing on the cake. What is over-rated with ArPen is the amount of attention paid to it.
But what you are missing is the acknowledgment of the point that has been made time and time again, that each point of ArPen is better the more of it you have - it scales exponentially. You do not have enough passive ArPen to make gemming for it a gain over Agility. Your ArPen according to your Armoury is 344. That is very low. If you gem for it, you will not see any gain. If you had ~800 ArPen, then you would gain by gemming for the stat. You do not want to rely on an ArPen proc as a basis for the stat, you want a static constant value.

I think Femaledwarf does tend to be overly kind to ArPen, but in the same way it is overly kind to Haste, it is because the programming assumes you are playing flawlessly in an environment where you never have to miss a shot, never move etc.

As for your DPS in general, the fact that you do not have 2pc T9 as Marksman is a significant factor. The value of the set bonus there cannot be over-stated. Unless you have 4pc T10 264s or higher, you absolutely want 2pc T9 as Marksman. If you want to improve your DPS, stop focusing on ArPen and look at the T9 set bonus.

I have a 4pc T9 sitting in the bank.

The dps numbers I got where:

5791.90 dps With 2pc T9 and 2pc T10

5494.93 dps 4pc T9 no T10

So I'm looking @ a dps loss if I where to put my T9 back on.

EDIT: I used the "Custom Gear Stats:" to add on 500 arm pen so it would be like having an extra 500 passive arm pen. I did the same for agility and compared the numbers. I got more gain out of the agility then arm pen.

[Sharilar]

That's because of what we've been saying. At 3xx ArP, adding 500 to ArP isn't as valuable as adding 500 to Agi. Now, add 500 to ArP, then compare the amounts of adding 500 MORE to ArP or 500 Agi on top of that 500 ArP. That should be a more effective demonstration.

Oh, and when you do the above, REMOVE Arcane Shot from your rotation. Once your ArP gets high enough, using Arcane Shot can be a loss to use it in your "stand and deliver" rotation.

[Adam-Savage]

I must be doing something wrong or I'm just not understanding this.It seem no matter what I do and what I tinker with the Armour pen is only a very small amount of more dps then agility would be. I played with some numbers some more. How do I add 500 ArP on top of 500 ArP ? Also if I'm using the arcane shot in my rotation then where would I put it in ? Right now my order is Rapid fire,Silencing shot , Serpent sting , Chimera Shot , Aimed ,Steady and readiness when It's available.
10213.56 500 Agility 500 arm pen

10182.09 1k Agility

10099.66 1k Arm pen