Raid Boss Tameables in Legion

[Xota]

Xuen is a god. Elegon is a dragon made out of stars, I didn't say it was a god. Don't read much into type flags on npcs. Troll and dwarf stone golems are also flagged mechanical. That doesn't make them tinkered robots. Just like a dragon made out of stars isn't a robot. Much of the time, Mimiron is flagged as a giant instead of mechanical. Type flags are often arbitrary.

I don't think dragons should ever be hunter pets. And a creature made of stars isn't a robot. A mechanical pandaren dragonling would be a robot, and it wouldn't be a real dragon. An animal, like a bear, made of stars would best fit as a spirit beast. Even if one had been flagged as mechanical because of how it spawned in a raid.

I don't buy that there's no more lines to cross. A robot animal is not the same type of thing as what Elegon is. I understand people want to tame Elegon, but I don't think that's a reasonable expectation.

[SpiritBinder]

I think my main point was that the rules have changed so much, that what should and shouldn't be tameable are so out of whack to make any sense. I agree that a cloud serpent made out of stars doesn't really look mechanical, sure... but in it's context, it was pretty much an old security system left on by the titans, Elegon was never alive, it was a program.

One could argue that a flying, semi transparent wyrm dragon, should not be a serpent, but....


I used to really try and see reason behind their choices, surely common sense would be in there somewhere right?
But it's not anymore, it's simply all make believe and what every floats their boat at any particular time.. Simply put, I just don't trust blizzard in this regard anymore.

[Quiv]

Calling Elegon a program is a good way to put it. Theres a lot of mystery surrounding it too.

[PrimalTazza]

Cloud serpents aren't quite dragons, they're often shown to be "just" animals, albeit with perhaps greater intellect. Then again, so are raptors, who adorn themselves with beads and feathers, steal silver, and seem to construct homes and live in tribes. There's only one or two examples of a cloud serpent appearing sapient.

There are several cases where we seem to be taming lesser deities/gods/loa/whatever you'd like to call them, and Elegon might not be a bolts-and-screws robot, but he's certainly a construct all the same, just dressed up in stars instead of stone or iron like titans usually seem to make their constructs from. I really don't see why he couldn't be a potential tame, if they wanted to make it something interesting have a hunter interact with a console and rewrite him, generate a portable, loyal/potentially loyal copy, etc. If Brann could take a few whacks at one of the machines and get it to forge Earthen, why can't BM hunters or something with their titan artifact/exposure have a go at shackling a VI/AI?

Also, for the record, I believe there are a few quests that seem to suggest that at least some dwarven golems have tinkered bits. I think one is in the Burning Steppes. They're also commonly listed as elementals, and judging from some of the things we can tame, I don't see why a simple construct like those would be out of our grasp. I know it's wishful thinking, and I'd prefer they stay with the "it looks like an animal" theme, but if we can tame a robo-wolf or a lava spider that's native to an elemental plane, I'd say constructs that can encompass both are well within reach. Another kind of hunter, if you will; blasts things away with guns and bombs, with a small robot army at his side. That's something I'd like to see. There IS that Tinker class from WC3...

With the Celestials, I believe someone else already suggested they simply be Loque-style look-alikes. No, we aren't taming Xuen, we're taming something that looks like him, perhaps just toned down a little so that it isn't quite so obnoxiously flashy.

[erictks1]

Cloud serpents aren't quite dragons, they're often shown to be "just" animals, albeit with perhaps greater intellect. Then again, so are raptors, who adorn themselves with beads and feathers, steal silver, and seem to construct homes and live in tribes. There's only one or two examples of a cloud serpent appearing sapient.

There are several cases where we seem to be taming lesser deities/gods/loa/whatever you'd like to call them, and Elegon might not be a bolts-and-screws robot, but he's certainly a construct all the same, just dressed up in stars instead of stone or iron like titans usually seem to make their constructs from. I really don't see why he couldn't be a potential tame, if they wanted to make it something interesting have a hunter interact with a console and rewrite him, generate a portable, loyal/potentially loyal copy, etc. If Brann could take a few whacks at one of the machines and get it to forge Earthen, why can't BM hunters or something with their titan artifact/exposure have a go at shackling a VI/AI?

Also, for the record, I believe there are a few quests that seem to suggest that at least some dwarven golems have tinkered bits. I think one is in the Burning Steppes. They're also commonly listed as elementals, and judging from some of the things we can tame, I don't see why a simple construct like those would be out of our grasp. I know it's wishful thinking, and I'd prefer they stay with the "it looks like an animal" theme, but if we can tame a robo-wolf or a lava spider that's native to an elemental plane, I'd say constructs that can encompass both are well within reach. Another kind of hunter, if you will; blasts things away with guns and bombs, with a small robot army at his side. That's something I'd like to see. There IS that Tinker class from WC3...

With the Celestials, I believe someone else already suggested they simply be Loque-style look-alikes. No, we aren't taming Xuen, we're taming something that looks like him, perhaps just toned down a little so that it isn't quite so obnoxiously flashy.

Great .... Likex1000000

[Lisaara]

Xuen is a god. Elegon is a dragon made out of stars, I didn't say it was a god. Don't read much into type flags on npcs. Troll and dwarf stone golems are also flagged mechanical. That doesn't make them tinkered robots. Just like a dragon made out of stars isn't a robot. Much of the time, Mimiron is flagged as a giant instead of mechanical. Type flags are often arbitrary.

I don't think dragons should ever be hunter pets. And a creature made of stars isn't a robot. A mechanical pandaren dragonling would be a robot, and it wouldn't be a real dragon. An animal, like a bear, made of stars would best fit as a spirit beast. Even if one had been flagged as mechanical because of how it spawned in a raid.

I don't buy that there's no more lines to cross. A robot animal is not the same type of thing as what Elegon is. I understand people want to tame Elegon, but I don't think that's a reasonable expectation.

I'm pretty much in this boat right here. Elegon would kinda be out of the question, least in my opinion. Same with dragons of any kind.

[zedxrgal]

My point was that Elegon is not a cloud serpent /dragon, titan, god etc etc. It's a construct or created from a old security system. As already put. A program. Elegon wouldn't fall into the crossing the line just because it LOOKS like a cloud serpent /dragon.

If Blizzard made a tamable giraffe made out of stars and called it a SB or mech would that still be crossing a line???

I still do not agree with dragons being tamable though. But personally, and this is only speaking for myself, I do not consider Elegon a dragon /cloud serpent just because it was made to look like one.

[Quiv]

All technicalities aside, taming Elegon feels weird. It has a physical form sure, but its like taming Siri.

[SpiritBinder]

All technicalities aside, taming Elegon feels weird. It has a physical form sure, but its like taming Siri.

Hahahaha, I can see it now

[Qraljar]

I know it's a can of worms so I won't get into further discussion, but personally, the only forms of dragon that should not ever be tameable in my opinion are the incontrovertibly sentient ones, such as the classic, old world ones.

Cloud Serpents have a few sentient, god-like representations, but then so do cranes, tigers and yaks, which will all be tameable come Legion.

Even Proto-Drakes I'm not sure about. As far as I know, they're basically as apes are to humans. I've never seen any Proto-Drakes display beyond beast-like intelligence, but pre-Titan gift, the Aspects as Proto-Drakes seemed to have communicated, so it's a bit muddy. (Feel free to correct me on this, though)

[Xota]

can of wyrms more like. There's already other "dragontamer" threads. Let's move this thread back on topic.

[Wain]

can of wyrms more like. There's already other "dragontamer" threads. Let's move this thread back on topic.

Thanks

And I'm waiting to see if there are still some stony turtles in BI or if I'm going to be changing my vote back to Tortos.

[Qraljar]

can of wyrms more like. There's already other "dragontamer" threads. Let's move this thread back on topic.

Thanks

And I'm waiting to see if there are still some stony turtles in BI or if I'm going to be changing my vote back to Tortos.

Yeah, I was about to say. Tortos was finally off the list, and now he might just end back up on it. :s

[Lisaara]

All technicalities aside, taming Elegon feels weird. It has a physical form sure, but its like taming Siri.

Hahahaha, I can see it now

Lmao! XD I'm sorry, I just giggled.

Then remembered.....Elegon could be GLaDOS.

[Nazja]

I know it's a can of worms so I won't get into further discussion, but personally, the only forms of dragon that should not ever be tameable in my opinion are the incontrovertibly sentient ones, such as the classic, old world ones.

Cloud Serpents have a few sentient, god-like representations, but then so do cranes, tigers and yaks, which will all be tameable come Legion.

Even Proto-Drakes I'm not sure about. As far as I know, they're basically as apes are to humans. I've never seen any Proto-Drakes display beyond beast-like intelligence, but pre-Titan gift, the Aspects as Proto-Drakes seemed to have communicated, so it's a bit muddy. (Feel free to correct me on this, though)

IIRC, a protodragon in one of the Argent Crusade bases communicated with the flight master. Faerie Dragons also talk.

Cloud Serpents and other fake dragons, though? Those should be fair game, like you said.

[Lisaara]

Anyway, back to the subject, I'm happy one raid boss I am able to tame now. XD The centipede creature in AQ. I wanna tame Magmaw. XD

[zedxrgal]

Frankly I am still holding out hope for Oondasta /Thok. I don't see why they couldn't be added as tamable. We've other armored beasts so why not them. Please Blizzard please.

[Xota]

For what it's worth, Oondasta, Tortos, and Galleon are still flagged untameable on the beta. I can't even cast beast lore on Galleon.

[Wain]

For what it's worth, Oondasta, Tortos, and Galleon are still flagged untameable on the beta. I can't even cast beast lore on Galleon.

I've also noticed that weirdness of Beast Lore in Legion. It seems that it fails to work at all on mobs that aren't in a family.

[zedxrgal]

Interesting. Wonder why they aren't in a family. I thought they were in the devilsaur family just not tamable. Now I'm curious if they can b beast lored on live.