Crappy Groups

[Kalliope]

In short, I guess I dislike the random dungeon system. It forces us to do stupid stuff (occulus) with stupid people without getting rewards (the loot they ninja). It also took away a bit of the challenge of running dungeons, making the actual group. They are destroying the social part of the game.

I wouldn't totally agree with that. I love the random dungeon system. Before on my mains, I could never get groups together. Whenever I tried to organize or join a dungeon run, something stupid inevitably happened before we even touched the instance (DC's, instance malfunctions, people need to leave, etc etc etc). With the new Random system I'm actually able to PLAY now, which is nice. Even if you do get stuck with stupid people now and again.

This is true. Getting together pugs on your own server yielded pretty much the same risks...it just seems worse now because you're getting to run MORE dungeons.

SPEAKING of crappy groups...did a few runs today. In one, the paladin thought he was a super-tank and engaged SEVERAL trash packs at once in Gundrak. But he couldn't hold them. Srsly! I had to save the healer like five times because he wasn't doing it!

Not too long after that ran CoS. The tank held aggro at least, but was reckless (strained the poor healer), and needed on everything. When the Bronze Drake mount dropped he unhesitatingly Needed on it (we as a group didn't even get to discuss the rules on mount dropping or anything). I asked in party chat, "Since I don't have it, should I Need?" and the other three encouraged me to do so. Thankfully I got it, but man...what a pain in the butt.

~VelkynKarma

I would seriously have booted those tanks. >_< People seriously think that they can't be replaced because they're the tank or healer. Sure, it might take a little while to wait for a new one, but it would take longer to wait off the debuff.

THAT REMINDS ME. After you logged, I got randomed into SFK with a terrible druid "tank" in a mishmash of gear who held aggro on NOTHING. I flicked on growl on Jambalaya and attempted to hold things together while the group figured out what was up with this guy. Turned out that he was just needing on anything and everything. We downed the first boss with seven minutes left on the debuff and I sighed, thinking we were stuck with this guy for at least another boss or two. One of the other party members initiated a kick, though, despite the dungeon queue debuff still being up, and we got rid of the guy.

So just remember, as long as a boss has been downed with a person, you can kick them. Unless the party's out of kicks, which is another problem entirely.

*pets Ryai comfortingly* That's how Kalliope got gyped out of the legendary bow. I was the only hunter in the raid....and it was master looted to a twink 70 rogue. :/ You'll get something better eventually; it just sucks when jackasses get lucky. -_-

[Ryai]

Christ. Some people :/

I blame Blizzard tho- they never bloiting made it Hunter exclusive. Gee thanks Blizz *sigh*

And yeah I finally did, got into a WC before I had to go pass out. The shammy let me have the drood/shammy chest piece as even if it doesn't really offer me something lol.

And your SFK tank reminds me of Rashika's first one. Not that he couldn't hold Aggro, he could to a degree. It was the fact on the 4thish sfk boss, you know the ghost dude, he decided to ZERG THE ENTIRE ROOM.

Everyone ignored me completely when I said yo, lets pull a few at a time OUTSIDE the room. So of course mass silence, we die, I've got a repair bill, I'm not happy. So ask wtf did you do that for. Instead of apologizing, the tank goes 'Was my brother'. I just left group when I got to my corpse >_> I wasn't getting good exp anyways.

[FlightofthePhoenix]

*pets Ryai comfortingly* That's how Kalliope got gyped out of the legendary bow. I was the only hunter in the raid....and it was master looted to a twink 70 rogue. :/ You'll get something better eventually; it just sucks when jackasses get lucky. -_-

Are YOU the one? I thought I heard about a rogue getting a legendary bow that should have gone to a hunter and the kerfuffle that followed. If it's you I'm very sorry. The whole thing makes me wince.

[Mustafah]

I played a few hours ago with the wierdest team ever. I was the tank. The hunter always took the aggro and melee'd. The healer never got his mana full, and the others DPS's afked alot. Suckest group ever.

But i had a succes when i roled healer with other team. we were only three and tank left, so i healed and a rogue tanked.
We finished the dungeon easy

[Lupis]

Woo, a place for me to yell and scream about that bloody ZF run last night.

I was on healer duty, and our tank was a druid too. More fun that way, you know. Paladins don't need almost any healing these days it seems. So we were going along and killing, winning, killing.
Right before the event with the trolls running up the stairs, the mage in the group exploded with expletives aimed at our poor tank. "**** you, tank. God, not trying to hate, but you SUCK. KEEP AGGRO, F*****T." *Posts up Recount, posts up recount again. Points out her dps.*
We all tried to ignore her, because the tank was fine. All but the rogue, who got the White Knight complex and started shouting back. "Says the one who uses a Riding crop, lol those don't even work anymore. Dude, in a group with two tank characters and a rogue, you should be doing way more DPS. Lol, you fail."
Tank joins in by the time the boss is down.
Finally, I can't take it. Note that I'm the easily stressed out type - any arguments get me worked up and annoyed.
"Guys, you know workers aren't the only ones that can sit-down strike. Get along or no heals for you."
*Argue argue argue*
"Look. We aren't wiping. The world isn't ending. It's not that big a deal. Get. Along."
That did something, at least. They shut up for a while, long enough for the last boss to be killed and me to escape.

There are more. That's the most recent.

[VelkynKarma]

I would seriously have booted those tanks. >_< People seriously think that they can't be replaced because they're the tank or healer. Sure, it might take a little while to wait for a new one, but it would take longer to wait off the debuff.

THAT REMINDS ME. After you logged, I got randomed into SFK with a terrible druid "tank" in a mishmash of gear who held aggro on NOTHING. I flicked on growl on Jambalaya and attempted to hold things together while the group figured out what was up with this guy. Turned out that he was just needing on anything and everything. We downed the first boss with seven minutes left on the debuff and I sighed, thinking we were stuck with this guy for at least another boss or two. One of the other party members initiated a kick, though, despite the dungeon queue debuff still being up, and we got rid of the guy.

So just remember, as long as a boss has been downed with a person, you can kick them. Unless the party's out of kicks, which is another problem entirely.

Hrm...will need to remember that. Most of my groups have been pretty good, and I've never really had to worry about aggro before; even if I totally unload, I can't steal from the tanks 99% of the time. Half the people I run with in the random system are so overgeared they do twice the dps I do too, so I probably couldn't out-threat them either....and we burn through stuff fast. Yesterday was my first real taste of bad groups...bleh.

~VelkynKarma

[Kalliope]

*pets Ryai comfortingly* That's how Kalliope got gyped out of the legendary bow. I was the only hunter in the raid....and it was master looted to a twink 70 rogue. :/ You'll get something better eventually; it just sucks when jackasses get lucky. -_-

Are YOU the one? I thought I heard about a rogue getting a legendary bow that should have gone to a hunter and the kerfuffle that followed. If it's you I'm very sorry. The whole thing makes me wince.

Yep, that was me. I'm kind of shocked news of that made it off server, though. O_o

The real killer was that I had CARRIED THE RAID ON MY PRIEST before that. They never would have downed Felmyst if I hadn't been there to mass dispel like a pro. That was my first Sunwell run on any toon ever and I saved us from wiping. All I had gone for was the achievement on Kalli. When the bow dropped, I thought it was fate, especially with no hunters in the raid. Sure, they did a yellow roll for it with me and the rogue. Sure, I lost it. But there shouldn't've BEEN a roll. Those guys run Sunwell ALL THE TIME. Plus, there's a little thing called gratitude.... I would have been happy to help them out again in the future had they done the right thing and, y'know, LOOTED THE LEGENDARY BOW TO THE HUNTER. But they didn't and I've had nothing to do with them since.

Well, not quite. My little blood elf hunter on the same server actually GOT GANKED BY THE GUY WHO WON THE BOW a month or two later. I'm sure he had no idea it was me, but I damn sure remembered him. Never said anything about it to anyone; I mean, it's a PvP server. It's just.....argh. Injury to insult.

I have tried not to make a big thing out of it, since it's just pixels, but sigh. I'm entitled to grump about it a bit.

[Sarayana]

Oh yeah it made it off the server Kalli. Made it onto wow.com and a few other sites too, iirc. Sorry that happened to you.

I'm a huge believer in Karma, though. I'm sure they've gotten theirs. Either that, or Karma's really saving up for something special for them...

[Kalliope]

Oh yeah it made it off the server Kalli. Made it onto wow.com and a few other sites too, iirc. Sorry that happened to you.

I'm a huge believer in Karma, though. I'm sure they've gotten theirs. Either that, or Karma's really saving up for something special for them...

....seriously? I had no idea!

At least the bow is getting USED. If I had it, it'd be sitting in my bank collecting dust.

I still consider it to be mine, regardless.

EDIT: The article on wow.com that I found via a quick search seemed to be an at-70 incident, and there were two hunters in the raid. So not me! (Ican'tbelievethishappenedat70wtf.)

[Kastarakovski]

*cough* Prolly out of place here, but I will say it anyway *cough*
http://www.wowjackass.com
Some of the bloiting ninja jerks y'all have mentioned here pretty much sound like they belong on the site.

Stunningly enough, after not checking the site for the last couple months, it seems Saurfang went from 25th on the top servers list to 6th Oo;

[Ryai]

Oh wow ... read about that horde Shrikefear from Saurfang

I mean honestly that was just a low down dirty thing to do- as bad as the tauren that had skoll that was camping/griefing that ally that had wanted to tame Skoll. I also can't believe someone actually tried to defend such actions- and another tries to claim that oh it's not as bad cross faction as if it happened same faction.



ty for the link, I'll be sure to toss this to my friends and we're probably gonna be upgrading our ignore lists.

[Kastarakovski]

Oh wow ... read about that horde Shrikefear from Saurfang

I mean honestly that was just a low down dirty thing to do- as bad as the tauren that had skoll that was camping/griefing that ally that had wanted to tame Skoll. I also can't believe someone actually tried to defend such actions- and another tries to claim that oh it's not as bad cross faction as if it happened same faction.



ty for the link, I'll be sure to toss this to my friends and we're probably gonna be upgrading our ignore lists.

Yeah, I know. I left that post as is. The first downgraded post under it is from Shrikefaer's alliance alt trying to say he didn't see taming hearts at all (he attacked Krush from the front and had clear view of a set of bright blue taming hearts. Now unless he's blind and if so, what's he doing playing WoW...) Whilst Laz never did get Krush in the end (she got Loque instead), it did help me feel better to have the jerk's name up there regardless. Turns out I started a bit of a trend for Saurfang jackasses. He was the first and the rest followed. Still, took me rather aback to see Saurfang ranked as 6th on the worst 25 servers.

I have the site bookmarked whenever I do 5-mans these days. It's amazing who turns up sometimes...

[Nick]

I hate when people force my boomkin druid to tank when the main tank leaves for god knows why. :c

I'm always tempted to say "Oh, yes, because I can SO TOTALLY tank with my mighty lazer chicken form!" /facepalm
And there's the time I tried resto at level 65 when I didn't have the gear for it. Oh god, I'm glad they had a priest in the group as well (going shadowform whenever he wasn't needed). After every pull I ran out of mana, so I was all /sob the whole dungeon because it was Underbog and god forbid any of the mobs in there drop healing gear so I could actually be a side spec healer.


But the worst group by far was on my alt hunter in his early 20 levels (he's level... 25/26 now, If I remember right). So I go in random dungeon finder and boom, three seconds later I get a group for SFK. I was a little bleh because I had run this multiple times now and there wasn't any hunter gear that was better than what I already had but i went along because I needed the exp.

I swear to the good lord above, the people I grouped with had to be overly ADD or something because they would stop in the middle of a mob pull and attack something else. So I was all "wtf?" in party chat and the healer whispered me that he didn't know either. They had apparently been grouped together before and had gotten fresh out of Wailing Caverns where they had been doing the same thing, and it was driving the healer insane. They didn't stop for his mana to regain. They didn't care if he stopped to drink; they just kept plowing on. After awhile me and the healer were all like "screw it" and stopped, refusing to move. The tank and two other dps didn't even notice and kept plowing on till all three of them died. Then they bitch at us for it.

Me and the healer finally snapped, bitched them out in party chat, and left. Nice thing was? The healer was the alt of one of the people in my main character's guild. I should know, because when I switched to my main not fifteen minutes later, the toon they had in guild was bitching to everyone else how bad the pug groups were that day, using our previous group as an example.

[Sarayana]

Oh Harpier, that's frikkin' hilarious! This cross-server pugging really makes it possible to run into friends' secret alts, doesn't it? Lol!

[Kastarakovski]

I honestly don't effin' understand how these players actually exist. God help me, Occulus was a NIGHTMARE with these two in it!

Tank was epic-cool, heals were above and beyond AWESOME (seriously, this healer was a Goddess!) But these two made me want to delete Laz. Seriously made me want to log out and delete her entirely, regardless of how many years I spent accumulating DKP/EPGP and getting her epic gear together.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-tale ... or&group=1
This is the first idiot. Note the guild name. I immediately thought "farmer", so did the tank and the heals.
Couldn't dps worth spit, was ranked 4th (stunningly), bitched the heals out because she stopped healing him after he MD'd her seven or eight times (getting her nixed by the second boss three times). Check his only spec out, and then check the glyphs. Almost made me cry.

And this chicka made me laugh and /headdesk at the same time. Repeatedly.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-shee ... cn=Madmama
Run your mouse over her gear. Now note the thing attached to her staff, her second trinket, her two rings, and her gems.
Yyyyyyeeeeeaaaahhhhhh...

We did not complete Occulus because the tank, myself and the healer all left party at the same time, thoroughly annoyed and thoroughly bitched out these two clowns. This run totally and utterly turned me off running 5-mans on Laz. I'm trying to get back into playing her pre-Cata, and boy, I can tell ya this run so didn't help my mood on the subject D=

[Saturo]

And this chicka made me laugh and /headdesk at the same time. Repeatedly.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-shee ... cn=Madmama
Run your mouse over her gear. Now note the thing attached to her staff, her second trinket, her two rings, and her gems.

Don't forget the Stamina+Frost resist chest and belt. Gemmed for even more Stamina...

[Kastarakovski]

And this chicka made me laugh and /headdesk at the same time. Repeatedly.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-shee ... cn=Madmama
Run your mouse over her gear. Now note the thing attached to her staff, her second trinket, her two rings, and her gems.

Don't forget the Stamina+Frost resist chest and belt. Gemmed for even more Stamina...

I totally and utterly pray I NEVER encounter her in an instance again D=

[Kalliope]

That's even more defense than that hunter I saw in H VH had...lol.

Which had been more than the tank had on that run....

All I can say is that you've gotta get back on the horse. There's going to be mind-numbingly bad groups out there (I had a terrible Dire Maul group today that seriously had me demotivated to play Nas at all), and there there will be better ones (I tried again later and had a much better group - thank god the dk tank settled down after some initial worries; he ended up doing fine, much to my relief and that of the shadow priest who had actually been in the previous group, by some strange twist of fate). I mean, it's your choice whether to keep bothering or not, but it's the idea that if you want to keep going, don't let the idiots deter you.

Oh, and I have a weapon chain on my PvP offhand. But like....it doesn't have defense on it. >_>

[Vespias]

Generally I have decent luck in my randoms but I've noticed an alarming trend. People seem to be off-specing tank as a way to get into the randoms faster. Sorry, but just cause you can spec tank doesn't make you one. I'm not one to judge a person because it's their first time in a dungeon (how I love hearing the tank announce that one) but I do judge harshly when someone jumps to the tank mode and doesn't even know what a LoS pull is. Tanks are built, not rolled!

[Vespias]

Another problem is, in my opinion, so many ppl on the DPS side have been leveled by being "run through" instances. If you're level 30 and have a lvl 80 tank and heals you can be as reckless as you want cause you couldn't pull aggro with any of your noobly abilities. Problem occurs when you take that mentality into a group at lvl 80. I just don't get this epeen contest of having the biggest DPS number. Maybe it's cause way back in Vanilla when a group went into a dungeon everybody had a specific job to do and we had to learn them the right way through wipe after wipe after wipe. For instance...how many of you know hunters that can kite? Not ppl who have been around since the start, but new hunters. How many of you know what a mage should be doing in an instance, again new players not old. I actually had a DK tell my mage CC is for wimps...right before he wiped us.