Views on Frostbitten ?

[Novikova]

Well so sorry for haveing a fucking opinion. my god.

It's about killing rare pets that people might *need*. It stinks that all spirit beasts are rare spawns. It's not just *sparkly pet*. It might well be *useful pet* too.

You're posting that you think rare, valuable and highly desired pets can and should be just killed off for achievements ... on a *hunter pet* forum. Did any of us say we condone bullying or griefing? No. I would frown on anyone doing that. Many of us have even helped with Frostbitten if we can't find a rare a home. We just feel that tameables are for hunters and that there's literally dozens upon dozens of nontamables for rare hunters to kill for achievements or loots. Even more so than there are tameables. A lot of us deal with enough competition and grief as it is. It sucked for both sides in Northrend because hunters/pet chasers were griefing too.

No one is ganging up on cow. None of us. We just have different opinions. If there is a rare achievement, there are plenty of rares to hunt - heck, at least 3 in each zone - that wouldn't affect hunters negatively. Isn't that plenty? You have an opinion that goes against most of the people here. It's a heated and sensitive subject.

Edit: And I'd like to point out that your posts weren't exactly snugglefests either.

[cowmuflage]

Well it sure bloody does feel like you are. Seeing as some of the posts are not nice ones.

[Lisaara]

Well it sure bloody does feel like you are. Seeing as some of the posts are not nice ones.

Your post wasn't exactly nice either. Infact, it's the rudest I've seen. You can have an opinion but being nasty about it and on a sensitive subject like this PLUS on a hunter forum isnt going to get nice responses. It's a touchy subject, and I also agree with Novikova.

[Aeliel]

Wait, wait, wait.

So you waltz in on a thread and your very first post is not a "nice one" by any definition (accusing hunters who want to tame a rare and ask people not to kill it of "bullying") - and when people object to your post, you complain that they're not being nice?

Very classy.

[Cialbi]

Well, I was rather harsh in my reply, which is probably part of the reason why cowmuflage is so bristly. That doesn't mean I'm about to retract my previous statement; it gets my point across quite clearly, and I don't think it overly offensive in comparison to her original post. If you're going to suggest something like that on what is going to obviously be a very biased forum, then you had better be ready for a heated debate. You can have your opinion and express it, but I can also strongly disagree with it and say so.

[Lisaara]

Well, I was rather harsh in my reply, which is probably part of the reason why cowmuflage is so bristly. That doesn't mean I'm about to retract my previous statement; it gets my point across quite clearly, and I don't think it overly offensive in comparison to her original post. If you're going to suggest something like that on what is going to obviously be a very biased forum, then you had better be ready for a heated debate. You can have your opinion and express it, but I can also strongly disagree with it and say so.

Well usually when someone posts something in a nasty manner, it's bound to get snapped at. So your post was a natural "WTF" reaction any hunter would've had, including myself. I don't retract my statements either, though you probably said it better than me. I suck at expressing myself clearly. ^^;

[Novikova]

I will confess that my posts may have been a bit more bitey than I mean to but I apologize for that.

My point is, Blizz moved to a more hunter friendly rare system and I like it that way. Make the non-tamables acheesements if you like, but leave the Spirit beasts and such alone.

[Siliverin]

well as to what the OP had written, i think its a double edge sword, having tamable rares in it wouldnt be a big deal IF people wouldnt kill it when someone is trying to tame it. Its a hard call imo. I will admit i have killed Northrend tamables, noone wanted so i killed em ONLY if i didnt have them for the forstbitten achive, if i killed the already, i let them be.

As much as i hate to say this, as MUCH as i love this fourm, tamable rares we not implemented into the gae for huners only, they are for everyone to be killed or tamed or just stiared at.

You all seem to putting one another down becuase of opinion, everyone has their own but you all seem to have big heads and feel you are right... I am not saying i am right either but sadly this is why i dont even bother with the fourms its gotten so out of hand and full of drama

a good rule of thumb to follow--->

IF YOU DONT HAVE ANYTHING NICE TO SAY, DONT SAY ANYTHING AT ALL ( qutoe from Bambi) think we could all learn something from this../

[Novikova]

well as to what the OP had written, i think its a double edge sword, having tamable rares in it wouldnt be a big deal IF people wouldnt kill it when someone is trying to tame it. Its a hard call imo. I will admit i have killed Northrend tamables, noone wanted so i killed em ONLY if i didnt have them for the forstbitten achive, if i killed the already, i let them be.

As much as i hate to say this, as MUCH as i love this fourm, tamable rares we not implemented into the gae for huners only, they are for everyone to be killed or tamed or just stiared at.

You all seem to putting one another down becuase of opinion, everyone has their own but you all seem to have big heads and feel you are right... I am not saying i am right either but sadly this is why i dont even bother with the fourms its gotten so out of hand and full of drama

a good rule of thumb to follow--->

IF YOU DONT HAVE ANYTHING NICE TO SAY, DONT SAY ANYTHING AT ALL ( qutoe from Bambi) think we could all learn something from this../

So, let me see. You're telling us we all have big heads and we're the one saying mean things? Should we just agree with one another mindlessly then? It /sucks/ to have someone kill a pet you're camping or taming. And you're clearly bothering with the forums enough to insult us and accuse us of starting drama. Hey, let's just let ourselves be insulted because clearly we're all big bad meanies. Note that NONE of us attacked you or cow.

Let me get this straight. Hunters should have to fight one another, rare hunters - just for a certain family or useful pet? ALL of the spirit beasts are rare and at least one IS for an achievement. Owch.

PS - Follow your own advice and stop insulting people. There's plenty of rares for achievements. Leave the pets out of it. Cata rares that are tamable ARE implemented for hunters only. That's why they don't drop loot. But let me make a list:

1) Northrend Rares: Blizz's first attempt with spirit beasts, acheesements and so on. It sucked for rare hunters and hunters alike because the Basin alone was very busy and the pets incredibly desirable. Notice I addressed the suck for both parties? Griefing ran rampant. Ransoms for kills, people camping the rares to kill over and over to keep others from it, NPCscan griefing and the list goes on and on.

2) Cata Rares: Blizz gives rare hunters literally at least 3 boe blue dropping goodie rares and a few grey dropping non-acheesement rares for hunters. While there is still griefing and competition, it's considerably reduced from what it was.

It's an improvement for all parties.

[Siliverin]

im not attacking anyone, im just sayig i see alot more of people attacking each other for what? having their own opinions? im not siding with anyone, ive had rare pets killed from under me that were not on a achiv, yeah it sucks hard but what can i do about it ? nothing, poeple will be jerks no matter what they will be there no matter if it is for an achiv or not. and no, i dont only browse the fourms to be mean to anyone, when i do write its saying hey congrats on your pets or damn that sucks you missed it/ it was killed. or hey i got this pet and for anyone looking this was the time so they have a timer, if i have ever been a bully or seem to be, then hey you know what let me know, ill never write on the fourms again i dont have a prob with it. like i said i see tmaables being on a achiv list being a double sided sword. Thats all i am gonna say about it. Hey if you all want me gone, heck ill even tell mania, ban me or something trust me i dont have a problem with it, i never attacked anyone i was saying my opnion. i didnt say " ( insert name here) you are such a jerk, etc etc.. now did i

[Novikova]

im not attacking anyone, im just sayig i see alot more of people attacking each other for what? having their own opinions? im not siding with anyone, ive had rare pets killed from under me that were not on a achiv, yeah it sucks hard but what can i do about it ? nothing, poeple will be jerks no matter what they will be there no matter if it is for an achiv or not. and no, i dont only browse the fourms to be mean to anyone, when i do write its saying hey congrats on your pets or damn that sucks you missed it/ it was killed. or hey i got this pet and for anyone looking this was the time so they have a timer, if i have ever been a bully or seem to be, then hey you know what let me know, ill never write on the fourms again i dont have a prob with it. like i said i see tmaables being on a achiv list being a double sided sword. Thats all i am gonna say about it. Hey if you all want me gone, heck ill even tell mania, ban me or something trust me i dont have a problem with it, i never attacked anyone i was saying my opnion. i didnt say " ( insert name here) you are such a jerk, etc etc.. now did i

You called us all big headed people who think we're always right and starting drama. o_o That's... a pretty big insult. None of us think we're always right. Most of us think that rare hunters have their rights too. As a matter of fact, I can run up the numbers and point out that more rares are NON-tamable than those that are. Many of us have even helped with Frostbitten. Competition is often inevitable.

However, a lot of us enjoy this new 'tamable for hunter, awesome boe dudes for rare peeps' model. It makes it easier on *both* types of rare hunter. No one wants anyone gone here and I've never seen so many hyperboles in one paragraph...

[Adam-Savage]

Its gotten so out of hand and full of drama ./

Yes it has. Seems heated threads are showing up more often now and I'm unsure why.

[Siliverin]

if it came off sa saying that, i am sorry but when i read post it does sound like alot of people are saying " i am right it should be this way" if i was attacking anyone names would be involved and i dont do that i dont believe in it. i did it once sticking up for veph when her cat died. i mean thought out this i have not seen once

" ok i see where you are coming from and understand i feel ( insert own opinion) but each to their own, just how either pets are for hunters only or they are not. when it coes to typing i am not the best at saying how i truely feel. but yeah.

FOR SAYING ANYONE WAS BIG HEADED I AM SORRY, I SHALL BE TAKING ME LEAVE BUT I STICK BY MY QUOTE, AND YEAH I KNOW IN RL I COULD LEARN FROM IT MYSELF.

[Azunara]

Alright. Firstly...Can I recommend we all just relax, calm down, walk away from the thread a bit? Everyone is tense and their opinions are coming off strongly. You don't intend it too, but tone is extremely hard to read when it's text. You may say you're not angry, but one person interprets you as you're angry, another can think you sound humorous.

My point is, people are getting a bit snappy and they might not mean to and will regret it. So...everybody chill?

[Rhyela]

Regarding Frostbitten, which was the original topic of this thread, I believe that everyone has a right to the rares. Blizz made it in such a way that regardless of whether you wanted to kill the creature (for an achievement or not), or tame it, everyone got something they wanted and could use. So in that regard, I don't have a problem with tameables being on the list because Blizz made it that way.

Regarding Cataclysm tameables that are neither part of an achievement nor have loot, I think they need to not be killed. Why? Because there is literally nothing to be gained from it, unless you're a person that gets off on killing a rare just for the sheer enjoyment of killing a rare. I suppose those types do exist. But quite frankly, I'm willing to bet that 99% of hunters would at least give you a lot more than 25g for you to not kill a rare, if it's the money (shoddy amount, at that) you're after. In my opinion, for Cataclysm tameable non-loot non-achievement rares...just leave them alone. If Blizz wanted them for anything other than hunters (and their gray-quality item makes it pretty darned clear that's their intention), then they would have set it up that way. But...they're not. So please, do us a favor and just let someone tame them. They'll be extremely happy and most likely even offer you some money. I know that if 1000g was all that stood between me and a green Madexx, I'd fork it over in a nanosecond.

So yeah, I suppose I look at it from Blizzard's design point of view. Frostbitten rares have loot and are part of an achievement = everyone has a right to it (just don't be a jerk and yoink someone in the middle of taming). Cataclysm rares that have no loot (to speak of) and are not part of an achievement = just move on and let some poor sap of a hunter like me who has spent 9 bajillion hours looking for a pet (I'm looking at YOU, green Madexx) tame it.

Just my personal opinion.

[Novikova]

I am pretty chill. I just stand by my opinion. There are /far/ more non-tamable rares to poach than there are tamables. None of us here have said rare hunters should go jump off a bridge.

Edit: And none of us SHOULD. No one here condones bullying or direct attacks or griefing. And no one should.

[Teigan]

Holy crap, WTF guys???? What part of community do ALL of you not get? Calm the eff down. I haven't read all of it and I'm not going to. I've just read enough to say knock it the hell off. This thread needs to be locked or ignored. Shoo! Go away and stop attacking each other!

[Korii]

Holy crap, WTF guys???? What part of community do ALL of you not get? Calm the eff down. I haven't read all of it and I'm not going to. I've just read enough to say knock it the hell off. This thread needs to be locked or ignored. Shoo! Go away and stop attacking each other!

I completely agree with you there, Teigs. I've also noticed this type of thread pop up on occasion, and I can't remember one that didn't start going in an ugly direction. The people on this forum have differing opinions, some stronger than others, and we need to just leave it at that.

[Lisaara]

Whoa. I go take a nap and this topic exploded.

[Novikova]

Whoa. I go take a nap and this topic exploded.

*hides the dynamite* What? *shiftyeyes*