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Isn't Coal a healer?

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Saturo wrote:Isn't Coal a healer?
Coal is- but evidently I was also a mage <_> cause he kept trying to kick the mage, but as you can see was refering to me, not the mage.


the irony in all this is I want a cow mage >_>
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(Just to point out, you forgot to hide the name in the failed kicked attempt. :D)

WTB Cow Mage. @.@
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Cow mirror images.

Go.

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Kalliope wrote:Cow mirror images.
So they would mooltiply? x)
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Safrienaer wrote:(Just to point out, you forgot to hide the name in the failed kicked attempt. :D)

WTB Cow Mage. @.@

well seeing as the mage is innocent as he didn't really do anything, I don't think I have to worry about blacking out his name as doubt anyone is gonna blast him for the logic of Lets just kill trash.


if a cow rolled fire for mage specc, would it be a self barbeque?
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I was playing my level 63 rogue, whom I haven't played in... eons. Wow, Rogues have gotten a boost pre-80! :D

Anyway, I decided that I was going to try to get a dungeon group, to test my roguish skills, get the nice item and the exp, so I queue up. 11 mins till my group, so I start to capture Zangarmarsh whilst I wait.

Group pops up! Wooohoo! I enter and it's one of those Hellfire ones. I always get the confused. Our tank is a DK and a paladin is our healer. We also have a shaman and a hunter. I greet everyone, as I always do, and the DK charges into the fray. The paladin does a good job of healing, until 3 of the mobs jump him, because apparently the DK doesn't have proper aggro. No biggie, right? As a tank you have full control of where the mobs are, right? Wrong. The paladin dies, the DK dies and starts complaining about the lack of heals. Both paladin and I explain that he was being pummeled by the adds that the DK did not have (sufficient) aggro on.

The shaman dies, the hunter feigns and I vanish. Then the hunter dies. Not sure how... So, I stand there, alone, waiting for them to return. The shaman returns, and runs straight into the mobs at half health and no mana... And she dies. Fast.

No one else seems to be coming back any time soon, so after another 5 minute wait, I decide that today, is not the day I am going to get to try out my rogue in a dungeon. I leave the group. :lol:
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Yeah, unfortunately a lot of early Outlands dungeons see DKs attempt to tank without really knowing what they're doing. I've had AMAZING DK tanks during those levels and I've had absolutely horrendous ones. One guy didn't understand basics of tanking and body pulled without hitting the mobs, so that my earth shield ripped aggro! O_O LOL.

As long as you expect a few duds and anticipate questing in between dungeons, you'll find excellent groups in Outlands too. :)

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It's not easy being a death knight, whether you decide to be a tank or a dps. I heard death knights can be either, although they're better off as tanks. Never tried one before, at least not in Nesingwary or Madoran, but if I want to try a tank toon, I'd have better experience with a warrior.
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Sarayana wrote:Yeah, unfortunately a lot of early Outlands dungeons see DKs attempt to tank without really knowing what they're doing. I've had AMAZING DK tanks during those levels and I've had absolutely horrendous ones. One guy didn't understand basics of tanking and body pulled without hitting the mobs, so that my earth shield ripped aggro! O_O LOL.

As long as you expect a few duds and anticipate questing in between dungeons, you'll find excellent groups in Outlands too. :)
It wouldn't have been bad if it wasn't for the guy pulling 3 groups, but leaving the two at the entrance... :roll: And I have a level 79 Paladin who tanks. But she only started tanking at level 71. Before that, I only played her as a healer. I figured, however, since I have a level 80 priest, I'd try to tank with my Paladin. The FIRST thing I learned was to take it slow in the beginning. I explained that I was new at this and please feel free to come with advice and be patient. I have not once run into anyone being an a$$ about it. There is no shame in it.

Plus... Apparently it was very hard finding their way back to the dungeon. ;)

I also have a level 80 DK, but I find it hard to "pump" out the DPS with her. I haven't even tried tanking with her, because a friend of mine, who has a raid equipped DK say they are horrible at it... Maybe I'll try doing it one day.
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kamoodle5 wrote:It's not easy being a death knight, whether you decide to be a tank or a dps. I heard death knights can be either, although they're better off as tanks. Never tried one before, at least not in Nesingwary or Madoran, but if I want to try a tank toon, I'd have better experience with a warrior.
I have a friend who's blood dps and pulls ~10k in ICC. They're excellent dps. They're also good tanks, but the class suffers from some problems (some of which will be fixed in Cata). For example, all three specs can be tank specs so there's a lot of confusion about a "proper" tank spec. Several abilities are great dps when solo, but taunt when in a group; on the other hand, it's not entirely clear which abilities are "tank" abilities and which are "dps" abilities (and some are shared). Finally, and I think this is the big one, you don't just insta-learn your class when rolling a toon. It takes many levels to get comfy in a rotation, to know your arsenal of abilities, and to understand everything well enough to make split-second decisions.

I know many, many good DK tanks. I just haven't met many that are good the moment they set foot in Outlands.

Personally, I tried rolling a DK tank and I haven't grouped with her yet. The thought intimidates me, since I've only had her for four levels. I'd rather tank DM on my noob pally, where at least I have had a chance to get to know my 10 or so abilities, you know?

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Noor wrote:It wouldn't have been bad if it wasn't for the guy pulling 3 groups, but leaving the two at the entrance... :roll: And I have a level 79 Paladin who tanks. But she only started tanking at level 71. Before that, I only played her as a healer. I figured, however, since I have a level 80 priest, I'd try to tank with my Paladin. The FIRST thing I learned was to take it slow in the beginning. I explained that I was new at this and please feel free to come with advice and be patient. I have not once run into anyone being an a$$ about it. There is no shame in it.

Plus... Apparently it was very hard finding their way back to the dungeon. ;)

I also have a level 80 DK, but I find it hard to "pump" out the DPS with her. I haven't even tried tanking with her, because a friend of mine, who has a raid equipped DK say they are horrible at it... Maybe I'll try doing it one day.
I dunno why I didn't see this post, forums didn't tell me you posted while I was writing. >.> Aaaanyway, my post kinda fits some of the comments you made. I have to say though, not all classes fit all people. Personally, my philosophy is that if you enjoy the class, play it. You might not be up to ICC standards on it, but ICC standards have warped what's really reasonable to expect in 5mans. If you can put out over 2k dps on a heroic geared dps, you'll get through the heroic just fine, so screw the haters and all that. ;)

And I must have had that same tank in Ramps, I swear. The guy pulled the first two trash packs alright, then decided to grab all the trash up until the first boss in one go by BODY PULLING it. I mean, he literally just ran within aggro range to pull them. They whacked him, my earth shield healed him, and they all came after me. >.> Fun times!

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I just have to give this conversation about tanking a general thumbs up. Lots of great information and advice in here for anyone who's considering tanking.

There are a TON of dks who try to hop directly into tanking out of the starting area. They have NO defense/tanking gear and frost presence doesn't seem to have entered their vocabulary yet. Getting used to bouncing diseases around packs and not having an AoE taunt can be quite daunting. I forget what level I determined that I had enough tanking gear to pop into ramps/BF with my dk, but it was definitely past 60.

Blood is going to be The Tanking Tree in Cataclysm, but I'd recommend frost for easy AoE control for dungeon tanking. I started out as frost; Hungering Cold is a fantastic tool for keeping large packs under control. I later went blood to start practicing using those cds, but that meant my AoE threat went down. However, because I'd gotten used to diseases and such by that point, the transition wasn't too jarring.

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Figured I'd post to this thread finally...


Yesterday was horrid by way of my heroic group on my ne hunter main, Sharandra. I got into Nexus. Me = "oh..an easy one...yay!". First tank - didn't pull the orc extra boss back, we all got feared into more mobs and died, he left without a word. Goody. next tank, a paladin. Thought it might be better. By the end he was a complete and total prick, and didn't get aggro on final boss until he was the last one standing (other'n me..I faked my death, and laughed when he died). He called me names when I shot him down after a remark that our dps sucked, when we were all doing 4-5k (IN A HEROIC!). I told him it wasn't ICC dude..we don't need to be uber leet. Apparently I was a "dick" for that comment. he left after I feigned and watched him die. Luckily our third tank, also a pally, worked out, but sheesh. It shouldn't be so hard to do Nexus! XD
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Raloth wrote:didn't pull the orc extra boss back
I had to read this a few times, before I realized that you're Alliance. :lol:

Must be "Bring out your worst tank"-week or something... Glad you guys got him down with the third tank with your "uber sucky" :shock: 4-5k DPS. ;)
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Noor wrote:Must be "Bring out your worst tank"-week or something... Glad you guys got him down with the third tank with your "uber sucky" :shock: 4-5k DPS. ;)
The kids are out of school. :(

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I was sure by the time he left that he was a kid behind the keys heh
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3/4 of the people playing are below 18, if the demographics are accurate.

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Saturo wrote:3/4 of the people playing are below 18, if the demographics are accurate.
I don't think so... I think I remember reading that the percentage over 18 was a lot higher than that. Actually, I'd say inverse. 1/4 is under 18, and the rest over. (http://www.nickyee.com/daedalus/archives/000194.php)

In all the guilds I have been in in WoW, only maybe 5 players have been 18 or under.
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Oh? Well, could just be US/EU abnormalities then.

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