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So we get HoR, we being Ariamodasu, our friend on his drood Tailcoy and me on Yasindra. Inwardly I groan, I am starting to hate HoR but what can I do, nothing. So I bite my tongue and already it's starting off a bit hairy with the tank DCing supposedly before even the first wave. But alright, fine, we're doing good.. get thru the first waves and boss. Get to the end of the second..

Tank DC's.

So we get a new tank; down everything, start the next event.

We wipe; alright fair enough.

Then the tank starts giving abuse; you're not DPSing, not DPSing enough, yada yada, then the best part was he starts screaming for Aria and Tailcoy to start doing their AoE IE hurricane. But ontop of it, not only do I know it's next to worthless half the time, but it's even worse when they're getting beat upon! Orthros had to pull a mob off the healer ffs! I could do nothing to save Aria and Tail! So tank is just screaming and I'm ripping aggro off with volley, and I think oh god gonna die again like the first ti- you are dead.

Well least it wasn't a ghoul that got me, it was Arthas.

Woo.

So he starts screaming abuse, how Tail and Aria were twiddling their thumbs like idiots.

I flat out told him 'you suck dicks'.

Mean heaven forbid some set ups you have to work.

We managed with a bear drood who DID KEEP AGGRO OFF US :D
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Yeah I flat out drop group on HoR on any one of my toons. I've done it a full 2 times between my 6 80s. I have tried a few other times but was never able to clear it because of all the hate tells people would toss around.

I recently went through a H Gun on my priest with a DK as a tank along with a rogue. Before the tank started to pull he said that he was fairly new to tanking so he planed to go a bit slow and asked if that was cool with the rest of us. The rogue started to jump into him right off the bat and belittled his tanking ability be cause he died to the shadows. I pipe up and asked him to chill out or find another group and he proceeded to tell me to stfu and heal cause I was his bitch. Now normally I let things slide but that made me see red. "We will see." is what I said and we started on the Abomb room. The rogue went into the room and did his fans without tricks up and promptly died. Of course he called the tank a nub and me one as well but the rest of the dps in the run started to speak up to that. They told him that he needed to drop or be voted out. Of course he QQs about it, pulls boss...dies agine...we kill boss and he runs back all the while yelling about taunts, heals and reses. I never knew that it was so satisfying to NOT heal someone and have the rest of the group cheer about it haha. The timer is still ticking and he keeps getting us agro but we weather that fairly well. He gets squished in the spider room because of the webed guys that he feels needed to be pulled but agine, our tank was pretty good at making things stick to him. In the end we were able to vote him out but not before myself and to a lesser extent the tank being called all sorts of names.
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Wow, Tyga. Sounds like you found a real winner there. >.> Cause running in first without any form of MD to the tank and then dying is NOT the way things would normally happen, amirite? *sigh* At least the rest of the group was good! :)

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Yeah, there was nothing that dk did to be dishonest and he mentioned it he was new to tanking (probably as a dk) and needed to go slow and easy. I give him kudos for his honesty, but for that pathetic rogue, a bee hive.
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MOAR AMAZING FAIL.

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I'm so confused... @_@ What's going on there?

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Someone was using caps, so Ryai started swearing at him.

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Saturo wrote:Someone was using caps, so Ryai started swearing at him.
No it was worse.

Thought it'd tell enough but, the pink aka the pally swearing in caps, was the healer. His 'bro' DC's and we don't know it's his bro so we vote kick him out. The pally starts nerd raging, I try to diffuse the situation by saying you can just re-invite him, and then ask for him to cut the caps. The stand by tank by then has already started to pull some more trash so thought he was going to wait.

No, he goes: DIE. The tank dies and me and the drood barely get out of the instance and away. That's when I started swearing, because he couldn't wait 2 seconds for promotion to leader to re-invite his buddy/bro/whatever.

I barely managed to keep the drood from dying, was that bad :/
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Double post but.

I am fucking running into oodles of fun on Anetta, my newest healer. A little shammy. Awww. Lv 22. Awww.

So after some meh, hellish and bad runs before, I log on and queue for random LFG. I want to get to 23+ or so. So I get into BFD. Alright, fine.

By the murloc boss I was getting suspicious, he wasn't really trying to save dps, or pull trash off them unless they were in melee range. Alright fine maybe he's new at this, I can handle it..

By the murlocs, he decides to abuse the fact Anetta has BoA armor, he goes in, pulls the whole room. Can't keep aggro worth shit, almost end up dying twice cause I pulled 3 murlocs off him by just putting totems down and healing him. Then pulled the boss just by healing, and once more, another murloc off a dps just by healing. Again I'm nearly dying I'm getting oom, this retard is meleeing trash not on me. The dps HAVE TO SAVE ME.

So frustrated, oom and almost pissed off cause I am putting my foot down and not gonna foot the bill, so to speak because someone wants to abuse my BoA armor I basically say, Tank, don't be a dumbass/ass and pull like that again unless you can keep all aggro on you.

A paladin asks me, what's your problem, he's a good tank.

So understandably I snarl a no he's not, if it wasn't for me that'd have been a wipe.

Oookay... from the pally.

So now I hold back on heals, before I'd been popping lesser at 80ish. I was waiting till 50% now, why? I didn't want aggro on me. So I let the paladins get the next highest threat up before doing any heals.

So after a bit of this, tank is all Are u crying healer. And I'm all wtf, I can't complain about your shitty tanking?

Another paladin or the same one, forget which, Shushes me. So what I'm supposed to bend over and take abuse?

I grit my teeth as the bastard massive pulls twice more; again losing control and dps has to OT and I go oom twice keeping party alive. So I sit. I drink. I bitterly laugh when the pally trying to defend the tank such a short time ago bailed on the last bad pull. But fine we get another dps. We move on; I heal tank.

I get aggro from mobs I was no where near, but tank was. And tank boy evidently didn't get aggro. I just thought it was a thresher or something.

NO IT WAS THREE TWILIGHT CULTIST DORKWADS. Coming around a pillar. To say high. With their fists to my face.

Ofc I freak out, throw down totems to try and deaggro/slow them, and flee to tank.

Only to be completely ignored- and the dps, once again, have to save me.

I'm oom again.

I sit, and drink, again. And the tank starts up again.

What's your fucking problem, healer?And he says it to get around the swear censor. How mature.

So I go: You completely ignored me and let trash beat on me, the dps had to save me!

He basically tells me to suck him off. And I just put my foot down.

I apologize to the dps, insult the tank, and leave,

What the fuck do people think, that abusing healers will get them to what, learn their place?! I AM NOT SOMEONES BITCH D:<
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Before I get into story mode, I'll provide a little context. I'm too chicken to do dungeons on my hunter, as it never occurred to me to do them while I was leveling and I don't want to jump into them at level 80 since I have had zero experience and people tend to be rather mean in this game. I started a baby healer to do dungeons with, as I figured starting off at level 15 in a role I'm somewhat familiar with (played a healer in Final Fantasy XI) might make it a little less stressful. So, I'm a newb healer and probably making stupid mistakes. Now, on to the crappy groups.

(I also apologize for the novel-like length of this post)

The first was a run through Deadmines. I was staying back and healing, but was having a hard time keeping up. The tank was pulling too many at once, and he was managing to take a lot of damage but couldn't keep threat, so the DPS were taking a lot of damage too. One of which was a mage who insisted on casting while within punching distance of the mobs. They were also ignoring my "wait, need mana" after the pulls, so I never started off with full mana. No one was dying, but I was pulling threat from having to heal bomb. Couldn't see a way around it. I was keeping everyone renewed, waiting a couple seconds after the pull to start casting, but still had to drop my biggest heals (which aren't very big at level 20).

The rogue then pipes up and tells me that I should be behind the tank to avoid getting aggro. I was behind the tank, and had been making sure to stay back out of the way. I continued as I was going, paying more attention to my positioning just in case the rogue was right and I had been too close (which I doubt... but no point in not being careful).

Rogue than says "the $%#^ing healer is going to get us killed, I keep having to pull mobs from her." I apologized, asked what I should be doing differently, and got no responses from anyone in the group, so I just continued to heal as best I could. Rogue then sent me a whisper and said I should be listening to him, as he has a shaman and druid healer; which is fine, I would have taken some advice if he had actually been telling me anything useful.

We then get to Mr. Smite, who does the AoE stun. I stood at max distance, but still got stunned, healed through it, but was running out of mana due to the tank taking massive damage. I keep renew up, and try and top off the tank when the boss gets close to 50%. I get stunned again, tank takes damage and dies before stun wears. Cue wipe. Rogue then says "see what I mean, healer? You caused us to wipe."

Maybe one of the more experienced healers can tell me what I should have been doing there, as no one in the group could offer any suggestions as to how I should have done it differently, including the rogue, who was doing all the criticizing.

Just not fun at all, and makes me think I should stick to questing.

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And, a hunter story, just for kicks. Entered deadmines, and the level 17 hunter didn't have a pet. I whispered him and the conversation went like this:

Me: How come you aren't using a pet?
Hunter: I need 50g for a stable slot.
Me: You don't need stable slots just to have a pet; you stable the ones you aren't currently using and keep one out.
Hunter: No, I need another stable slot. The others are full of dead pets.
Me: You can rez your pets once they die.
Hunter: No you can't.

I was able to convince him afterwards that you can actually rez your pets...
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I met a hunter like that once. I had to tell him how to do the quest to tame a pet first, and he then whispered me asking how he was supposed to get dead pets out of the stable.

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Magyk, afaik priests are partly healers, partly about damage mitigation[?] IE, you bubble and heal. Bubble and heal, tank is almost always bubbled by a priest healer when going into combat, not just heal bombing. The other fact is well it's not your fault. The tank probably was badly geared, wasn't even tank specced or didn't have the right gear. Hell I had a scrub tank for BFD on Anetta who was wearing, get this, CLOTH. Not stam. INTEL AND SPIRIT. uuuurg.

The other thing is, if it does ever get that pear shaped, you have to remember. You - Tank - DPS, if DPS have to die for tank or more importantly YOU to survive, let it be, you can always apologize for it later, but everyone should understand that better a DPS than the two keeping the group together and alive. I've done the sacrifice on my hunters and lock, as I have had to do the same, unfortunately, while healing.

I suggest just trial and error, try queing for RFC, it's always a dead easy dungeon to start out as when you're lv 15.
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It sounded like to me you were doing just fine with your healing. It was your team that put you in a lot of stress, especially that know-it-all rogue. It's hard to keep up with players that will just run, run, and run right through everything and expect for the best out of their cockiness. I'd say the real blame goes to the tank and maybe the rogue for constantly pressuring you.
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Expect to take a lot of unfounded blame as a healer in groups. :/ Just gotta have a thick skin for it....or grow one. >_< Which pretty much stinks, but there's really no other way.

This is another reason I keep posting here and poking people to kick the troublesome players rather than leaving themselves.

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Last night, when I was in a run with some folks in the last part of Maraudon, eventually the tank (a warrior) got kicked for wearing cloth healing gear. He said it was for Bloodthirsty, but the rest of my team ratted him out. I never inspected him, but from the others' reactions, I believed it as I said nothing about it. I just had to do a facepalm in guild chat. For some reason before he was kicked though, he seemed to have kept a decent amount of aggro on him and never pulled too much before the healers were ready. We had a priest that seemed to have been working on his wand skill because he seemed to have never healed. There were two pallies, one of which had to do the healing while the other pally, the warrior, and my pet tanked. Even my pet had a few heals.

Night before that, I was in another group doing the purple section of Maraudon. It did run pretty smoothly even though it was a close call when the tank (a druid bear) accidentally pulled too much and died, leaving the rest of us to deal with the mobs. I was able to keep the mobs off the healer with my pet though, so the end result was okay. Nobody else died, and the healer rezzed her buddy. Both she and the druid were in the same guild. Anyway, we had a ninja looter in our party, a rogue. At first, he greeded for and won Heaven's Light from a random mob, which is a blue mace for spellcasters. The shaman would've done nicely with that. Then, after we wasted the demon boss and some nice pants dropped for me, the rogue rolled greed on them, won them, then left the group. We all cussed him out after he left. I stuck with the shaman and the druid for one more run with them in there with two new folks to see if the pants could drop again, but they didn't.
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Wait, he was wearing cloth gear because of Bloodthirst? It's a 31 point fury talent! It's boosted by AP not intel or stam or spirit or anything like that!? Oyvey. My brain hurts.

Edit: He also loses points for tanking as fury. Arms gets some useful prot boosting stuff..
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I just had a heroic nexus group where my druid in her resto spec and gear was third on overall damage just from tree slapping. Being a "fresh 80" is no reason to do less damage than a tree meleeing mobs. So sad...

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kamoodle5 wrote:Anyway, we had a ninja looter in our party, a rogue. At first, he greeded for and won Heaven's Light from a random mob, which is a blue mace for spellcasters. The shaman would've done nicely with that. Then, after we wasted the demon boss and some nice pants dropped for me, the rogue rolled greed on them, won them, then left the group. We all cussed him out after he left. I stuck with the shaman and the druid for one more run with them in there with two new folks to see if the pants could drop again, but they didn't.
If he greeded on the items, he's not a ninja. Ninjaing means needing on items you don't need, and the expectations is that if you do need it, you'll need. I hate to say it, but if something was an upgrade and you didn't need on it, the fault is yours. It's standard to greed on items you don't need - if everyone greeds it'll be a random distribution to vendor.

Wassa wrote:I just had a heroic nexus group where my druid in her resto spec and gear was third on overall damage just from tree slapping. Being a "fresh 80" is no reason to do less damage than a tree meleeing mobs. So sad...
I couldn't agree more! My buddies and I were running randoms and got into Pit, just to have the two other dps do ~1000dps. In Pit. I mean, come on! You don't get to queue unless your gear is up to par, so it has to have been a skill issue! Worst part is my friend had to drop group and we got another dps in who was ALSO only doing ~1k. What the hell?

I mean, I don't usually rag on people for low skill levels because most heroics are so easy now, but you can't get through Pit without proper dps! Forget about bosses, you can't even get up the damn hill! =_=

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I really wonder about these players who pull around 1k dps at 80 WITH THE FIVE PERCENT BUFF (cause that means they're really doing less). Are they afk? Not using skills at all seems like about the only way they can do that with decent gear.

I miss having a hunter in the low 70s. I liked being able to point to her and say "she can pull over 1k dps; your 80 has NO EXCUSE."

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Kalliope wrote:I really wonder about these players who pull around 1k dps at 80 WITH THE FIVE PERCENT BUFF (cause that means they're really doing less). Are they afk? Not using skills at all seems like about the only way they can do that with decent gear.

I miss having a hunter in the low 70s. I liked being able to point to her and say "she can pull over 1k dps; your 80 has NO EXCUSE."
You could use my deleted mage as an example. At lv 60 she was pulling 1k dps.

>_>

are they just sending pet in and afking? Or are they auto and afking?


Tho on subject of group dps, had some newbies when HoL was just redone to be a bit easier, and so Caim was tanking and a friend was with me. Someone made fun of the DPS and posted recount; Caim was sitting at #1 with 2.2k dps. But I AoE. I AoE from sun up to sun down, all hard core. So my dps isn't really true dps tbh.

The rest of the dps was pulling 1.6k and 1.9k, and tbh it's heroic HoL. It's not oh god we need 5k dps <_>
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