Crappy Groups

[Saturo]

[...]tbh it's heroic HoL. It's not oh god we need 5k dps <_>

The problem isn't what DPS you need, it's that they're slacking. They're basically relying on you to take them trough, and I, and many more, find it rude.

[Ryai]

[...]tbh it's heroic HoL. It's not oh god we need 5k dps <_>

The problem isn't what DPS you need, it's that they're slacking. They're basically relying on you to take them trough, and I, and many more, find it rude.

No, you missread. I said, someone was complaining because the newbies could only do 1.6k and 1.9k and one of them was my friend and I know he wasn't slacking, the rest of the dps wasn't either. It's just the crap slackers for the PoS run reminded me of my HoL run where someone [not for the first time tbh] whined that 'DPS wasn't doing enough DPS even thouh they were doing as much dps as someone their gear level could'.

[kamoodle5]

If he greeded on the items, he's not a ninja. Ninjaing means needing on items you don't need, and the expectations is that if you do need it, you'll need. I hate to say it, but if something was an upgrade and you didn't need on it, the fault is yours. It's standard to greed on items you don't need - if everyone greeds it'll be a random distribution to vendor.

FYI, I'd say it's greed under my books, and not just by the roll either. Also, I had a problem where I couldn't even see the rolls and thus couldn't roll on it (I later found out it was an addon). Yeah, my fault on that, but let's not make a freakin' big deal about it and rub salt of my wounds for crying out loud. It was just ONE time this happened, and I know I'll run into more ninja looters along the way, greed or no greed roll. Pretty much everyone rolled greed on these things anyway and I didn't pay much attention to the rest of it mainly because even if I couldn't roll for an item due to that addon I got rid of, I'd still pass it on. ONLY the pants were an acception, and the others would have gladly given it to me if not for that rogue that seemed to have won everything. And yes, he did win pretty much a lot of things, even when everyone else went for greed.

You know, if posting about my runs along had to be such a big deal, then why the heck am I even posting here. It seems that at both here and ingame now, I am not feeling the love and I thought this was such a good community. I guess I'll never be part of anything.

[Ryai]

You know, if posting about my runs along had to be such a big deal, then why the heck am I even posting here. It seems that at both here and ingame now, I am not feeling the love and I thought this was such a good community. I guess I'll never be part of anything.

Look we're not hating on you, but you admit it was by your own fault that you lost the pants. The rogue won them fairly on greed rolls, he didn't have to give you the loot. Sure it'd have been nice of him to do so, but he won them fair and square by your own admission. There's a difference between that and a ninja.

I'll give an example; Deadmines. Caster ring drops from the second goblin boss. Caster ring definately, due to intell. I ofc roll for it cause who cares about hit?

Hunter rolls for it.

DPS pally rolls for it.

ROGUE ROLLS FOR IT.

And then infront of us ALL, he SHARDS IT.

That is a true show of ninja-ing.

Also ignore the fact the paladin was rolling need for everything else that dropped, cloth, leather, mail, useable weps and unuseable.

We're just pointing out the rogue was NOT a ninja.

[Sarayana]

Thanks Ryai. I honestly have no idea where you got the idea that I was ragging on you or telling you off, Kamoodle. I was simply pointing out that you were calling a random stranger a ninja when what he was doing was not ninjaing. It was nothing except a matter-of-fact statement about the circumstances you described.

Being kind, friendly, and fair is as important to me as is being honest. I try to balance them. I sincerely hope that has come across in my posts on these forums, and if not, I'm sorry. But I am not going to be quiet when someone so completely misconstrues my words.

[kamoodle5]

I'll never post anything again here then. All the crappy group stuff will only be in my own mind, regardless of what I think happened to me.

Oh, and I HAD a problem with the roll loot window not showing up, so blame the addon for it, not me. Fine, I know you might say it was me that had the addon to begin with, but I had no idea it would bug out my loot window.

[Saturo]

The lootbox problem can't be blamed on the groups, you can blame the makers of the addon for that. :P
And if the rogue won it on a Greed roll, it wasn't ninjaing. If you need something, Need. If not, Greed. If you didn't know that before, well, now you know. ;)

[Vephriel]

Kamoodle, no one here is blatantly pointing fingers and slinging insults. They were merely trying to be informative and clear misunderstandings. I'm really not sure how you're getting such a negative impression, but I see no cause for distress from the replies. This is a friendly community, and I don't know of any instances to suggest otherwise. Why are you overreacting?

[kamoodle5]

Because it's what I do. When I cry, I can do things I normally wouldn't do. And I hate criticism. If I was an any way strong person, I'd take it just fine.

[Vephriel]

It's fine to admit that you don't take well to criticism, but I think it's wrong to twist what anyone says into some direct attack aimed at you. No one here is intentionally being mean or critical, and continually taking things personally will only affect you in the end. It's all the advice I can give really.

[kamoodle5]

I'll just have to stop posting. It's the only way things will not happen like this.

[Kalliope]

Oh my, how did I miss the drama-mongering here?

The rogue was within his rights to roll greed. It's not his fault your addon was messing up your loot window.

There is NO NEED to attack anyone here for pointing out that you were being unfair in your accusations. You got upset that the community here didn't sympathize with you and are overreacting. For your sake, I hope you are able to come to terms with the truth of the situation.

[zedxrgal]

I'm not defending anyone but I can relate a little to what kamoodle5 is saying. I had just another instance last night while in a dungeon before the servers went down. I have no addons so those do not come into play.

We're going through the dungeon and some 'ok' gear is coming out of the drops but nothing I needed or wanted. So I pass. Everyone was being polite and needing on the things they needed and greeding or passing on things they didn't. But as the gear got nicer there was a guy in there who had started to need on things he definitely didn't need the first was a awesome bow. It was a belf warrior.
This gorgeous bow was WAY better then the one I had. I was not paying attention and accidently hit "greed" instead of need. Everyone passed on the bow except the warrior and he won it. I was ticked and said "I need that. Why does a warrior need a bow?????" He didn't answer me. I said a few more things all were diplomatic then he finally piped up and said "you should have need it then" and I even explained that I hit a wrong button but he didn't care. The mage commented about him not needing it. From there this loser actually started hitting need on pretty much all the really good gear. A cloak comes up that has spell power and mana and he needs on it. No one says a word. And I'm still pissed that this guy won't give me that bow or even apologize. Finally the last straw was that he hit need on a ring that wasn't something a warrior would need. The druid pipes up and says "wtf dude! why the hell do you need that?" of course he didn't respond. Just kept playing and needed on the remaining really good loot and then left when it was over.

I was so pissed at him because he took something he didn't need even though I hit a wrong button. I even commented after he left how rude I thought he was and why did he need a bow. But it's still my fault that I wasn't watching what I was doing. So really I cannot be to angry in a sense.

[Sarayana]

That really sucks. Why didn't you guys kick him, Zed? I wouldn't have stayed in a group with him, so if kick wasn't an option I'd have left. It's just not worth it to have people upset you like that over a game, you know?

Side note: warriors can use bows, and dps warriors generally go for the same hunters want - those typical stats, ap and stam, are good for them. However, it's basically a stats stick, so generally warriors pass on ranged weapons if a hunter needs it. In my old guild, we had several warriors runnign around with crappy ranged weapons until all the hunters had their upgrades. They weren't too happy, but they accepted it since we actually need the dps from them.

[kamoodle5]

Well, I wasn't completely pissed myself for the pants. Even when the group mouthed that rogue off, I just shrugged the whole thing off. Still my fault, yes I know. I admit it. I am not the type of person that will 'need' on everything like some others, and will not plan to because of this incident. Besides, the whole thing between greed and need is mixed up, since greed is what it is, but I guess that'd be a bit insulting if the one wanting everything did have some darn emotion about it.

...and, on top of that, I got a ring off the bag that I didn't want cause it ended with the word 'bear'.

[Kalliope]

Side note: warriors can use bows, and dps warriors generally go for the same hunters want - those typical stats, ap and stam, are good for them. However, it's basically a stats stick, so generally warriors pass on ranged weapons if a hunter needs it. In my old guild, we had several warriors runnign around with crappy ranged weapons until all the hunters had their upgrades. They weren't too happy, but they accepted it since we actually need the dps from them.

This.

The warrior might have been kind enough to pass to you after the fact if you hadn't gone after him rolling on something he could legitimately use. As far as he knew, he wasn't rolling against you, so he was justified. Being polite rather than antagonistic works wonders...most of the time.

The worst part is when players allow people who start rolling need on things just for the sake of doing it to stay in the group. That's just enabling them. >_<

[zedxrgal]

I'm not to naive or absent minded to think that a warrior cannot be ranged or doesn't use ranged. I've encountered it before especially since several want the weapons achievement. But those warriors or even other classes who are predominantly melee (sp?) usually have indicators that they run ranged. This one had zero indication that he was using ranged weapons.
And even his general attitude after the fact was a 'piss on you' type attitude especially when he was needing on things that were clearly for another class. The overall treatment and actions is what I'd based things on.

Don't get me wrong though, that it's more then possible my views of his actions were completely off base.

[Kalliope]

That's like saying that a hunter who's using a staff is giving no indication that they'd roll on a polearm for a stat stick upgrade.

The way you told your story, it sounded like the warrior started rolling need on things he didn't actually need AFTER you were rude to him for taking the bow. It's entirely possible that he started behaving poorly BECAUSE he was mouthed off at. Mistakes happen (like accidentally passing or greeding on something you actually need) and people are generally understanding of such things. However, being rude is quite likely to prompt some to go the other way. Based on the chronology, that is quite likely to have been the case with the warrior.

TLDR; this sounds like another potential case of "it may not actually be entirely his fault." You can't force other people to be nice or "do the right thing" and they'll be even less likely to do it if you're rude to them.

[Ryai]

Well tbh it sounds like Zed's run was atleast better off than when the revelation of how/why the PoS ramp trash spawn.

and all that fucking lovely treatment it got me

ut those warriors or even other classes who are predominantly melee (sp?) usually have indicators that they run ranged. This one had zero indication that he was using ranged weapons.

Um, not really? Not all warriors really use guns/bows in higher up dungeons anymore, and some don't even use ammo, they just use the ranged wep as a stat stick because usually they're smart [or dumb] enough to do other things. I mean by the sounds of things, he waited to roll need since you rolled greed, now you're getting fuzzy on the details tho as I'm unsure if you asked him nicely, or asked him nicely, then everyone got pissy because as with Kam you did mess up a bit and he did win the roll fair and square and if he needed it, then he really didn't have to give you the bow. Like with the rogue Kam experienced, it'd have been nice, but it wasn't required.

The other thing is when he started ninja'ing shit, everyone should have either started rolling need OR vote kicked him or just left group/and or ignored him.

[Kalliope]

Um, not really? Not all warriors really use guns/bows in higher up dungeons anymore, and some don't even use ammo, they just use the ranged wep as a stat stick because usually they're smart [or dumb] enough to do other things.

Warriors would primarily use most bows as a stat stick for dps; there are ranged stat sticks specifically designed for tanking (Rowan's comes to mind).

Although now that this has been brought up, we don't even know which dungeon/bow is in question.