Arcanite ripper found on black market!

[Slickrock]

Problem though, if its going to be on sale for 800k, I might as well give up. I think I'm going to try and save up 100k before Panda just to see if I'm able to do it, but then I know I'll find ways to blow it.

My budget for the BMAH will likely depend on what BOEs come available in the first Panda raids. If there's not much available as currently with DS, I'll be spending more in the BMAH. If Panda is more like FL with the BOEs, more of my money will be spend there.

As was mentioned before, the best place to make 100-200k is in the first few weeks of the expansion. Gather and sell like crazy. Armor kits and enchants and glyphs too.

[Royi]

And since they've never been in the game I don't mind if they're kind of insane gold.

Some of the pets appear to be ones that are still in-game, such as the Argent ones.

I'm curious to anyone who would want to spend 16k on those, don't they usually go for 1k or under these days?

[Royi]

As was mentioned before, the best place to make 100-200k is in the first few weeks of the expansion. Gather and sell like crazy. Armor kits and enchants and glyphs too.

I think some of the new Glyphs will go decently as well, I'm planning on tackling the new Darkmoon Card Trinkets (assuming there are new ones out there) and hopefully a new version of the Mysterious Fortune Card

[Neilaren]

Ehhh I don't see myself doing too much with this auction house. My professions are JC/Eng so those two alone getting all kinds of gold sinks (all of those panther mounts and that Blingtron bot, I only assume he'll be expensive to make), but I usually don't go anywhere near an AH. I just level my professions with mats my boyfriend's paladin mines; I let him do all the selling since he seems to have a better grasp of it. I still have 100K to my name (and I've spent maybe that much in my game's career) probably just from doing dailies back in BC/Wrath. There weren't that many to do in Cataclysm. I always feel like that's a lot of money, especially since it seems only my immediate friends also have that much. But then I'll look on a forum and I'm the only one opposed to a 250K goldsink mount, and so then I despair a little.

I'm a very stingy person in all aspects of life. I hoard all my things like no one's business. And I collect for the sake of collecting. Unless they plan on putting, like, 50-slot bags on there so I can then hold more stuff...

I think my only goal right now is to manage to get the gold sink stuff specific to my own professions. Considering I have yet to buy a Vial of the Sands (and thanks to Blizzard's really smart decision to not make the recipe ACCOUNT-BOUND I probably will never get the recipe for my alchemist to make it anyway, grumble grumble) that's pretty much the pattern I've been following, anyway. I made a chopper in Wrath, and I also bought the expensive Mammoth then too, so I know I can handle it this expansion. Maybe.

<rant>Hopefully I get that kind of drive to do lots of dailies again. I really don't feel like learning how to "play" the AH on my low population server just to make some cash. I used to try to sell gems, but I learned that it somehow was more profitable (by which I mean "woo I made 200 gold") to just sell the uncut ones to one specific guy who would then cut and resell them. It was a waste of my profession if I wasn't even cutting them. I still just have no motivation to ever sell anything. It's kind of ironic, because the character of Neilaren is actually supposed to be extremely businessman-like. In-game I just prefer to do things for my guildmates, because my server really sucks.
There are a really small subset of people who I don't feel deserve to spend their gold on dumb rare un-acquirable things, and I just KNOW they will do so, but it's like, one or two people on my server, so I'm prepared to see them do nothing but idle in Orgrimmar thinking that they're hot sh[rest omitted].
It'd make my day if the rare black market stuff sold to someone else. I'm that petty. I don't plan on trying to get that stuff myself, so it's not really jealousy because I have plenty of my own mounts and gearsets.
It's just FGSFDS STOP TRYING TO SHOW YOUR STUPID MOUNT OFF TO ME I REALLY DON'T CARE. LOOK AT THIS ICEBOUND FROSTBROOD VANQUISHER I GOT BACK IN WRATH THAT IS HOW MUCH I CARE.
...Ok I feel better now.
I have a feeling it's gonna all go to the one guy Alliance-side who seems to camp for Poseidus every week and that's why I have yet to even see that mount on Horde AH because people are allowed to just camp it over and over and over have I mentioned that my server sucks?</rant>

I think the Black Market should have joke items on there too... like Bloodthistle. "Hey man, where'd you get that bloodthistle? I need some badly..." "On the black market, man..." (Does Bloodthistle even still exist?)

[Nachtwulf]

It took me probably a month to get the mats for a vial, nevermind the money, and I don't have plans to do it again. (which is part of why I'm peeved that the vial drake isn't going to be account wide... if it -was- then I'd feel a little more justified about the outlay).

Honestly, I find my best 'farming gold' procedure is to solo old BC heroics, which nets me a couple of things I want to keep for mogging or RP, and then because I have a maxed tailor and enchanter, a certain amount more in mats (arcane dust is still pretty valuable) and basic netherweave bags (which only go for 15-18g apiece but ALWAYS sell). I can burn about an hour and a half and make 1.5-2k after the AH results come in. Also, if you happen to be on an active RP server (which is pretty much Moon Guard or WRA), do a few runs of Ragefire (if you're horde) or WC (if you're not), because Ceremonial Leather Harnesses/Loincloths go for well over a grand.

However. I'll be honest. This isn't exactly fun. It's better than mats farming, where you're fighting with every damn druid on the server for every little yellow dot worth of everything, and it's more interesting since you actually have to kill things. But is it why I pay $15 a month to play this game? Ugh. No. It really isn't. It's boring. Farming is boring. Wanking the AH is EVEN MORE BORING.

However. (again)
I've been playing since vanilla, when you were lucky to have a couple of gold before you were Lv40. Now I regularly have new alts have several hundred gold before they even need to buy a mount, just from flogging things I stumble over, which I think is a fairly decent meter of general inflation (and the arrival of transmog, which has in many cases drastically inflated the value of certain previously undesired greens and blues.) Each time there's an expac, inflation goes up a certain amount. In BC, that 5k that epic flight cost, would take you MONTHS to get, if you weren't an AH playa. I don't think I managed it until the expac was nearly at the end. But 5k would've been nearly unheard of in vanilla. Same thing happened in Wrath, same in Cata. And I expect people will be absolutely rolling in dough come the middle/end of MoP when the grays you find are worth 5g apiece. Well. I say rolling. I expect 20k will become feasible with minimal work. Things in the 75k range feasible with a bit of work. They're putting their 'you must work your ass off for this' items at around 125k if I'm judging the cats right. So.... yeah, 200k is still going to suck if you're like me and want to do anything else but play the market and farm gold. But there's still going to be plenty of things to buy. And since I am incredibly stingy, I have someone at max level for every prof but Engineering, so I don't have to pay anyone to make my stuff for me. XD

[Royi]

I have someone at max level for every prof but Engineering

Enjoyed your post, but this last part troubled me some... You are missing out on many fun things!

[Maizou]

...People need to realize this is beta...

When people stockpile every piece of gold they have on their toons, any rare BoEs, borrow from friends, then copy their character, resulting in a VERY VERY VERY large amount of gold on 90% of toons.

Prices on Beta could end up being what things go for, but you have to take into account it's beta... where everyone has obscene amounts of gold they have no issues spending on random crap.

I for one have the arcanite ripper on my Garrosh Hunter, and I have no problem with it going on sell. `

[Neilaren]

I remember that the one week Arcanite Ripper was available, we had to basically hand it to someone's son instead of actually rolling on it or whatever. And he was kind of a bum-hole. Always made me a little sad that it wasn't just "Everyone gets one! Yay!"
Would be cool to get one, but like I said, I have, like, 0 bag space left, so they gotta give me much bigger bags first!

[Maizou]

I remember that the one week Arcanite Ripper was available, we had to basically hand it to someone's son instead of actually rolling on it or whatever. And he was kind of a bum-hole. Always made me a little sad that it wasn't just "Everyone gets one! Yay!"
Would be cool to get one, but like I said, I have, like, 0 bag space left, so they gotta give me much bigger bags first!

In every raid I did, no one wanted it. >_> I almost got one on my shaman too, but then a hunter said he'd take it if no one else wanted it.

Same way I got mine on my hunter, xD

[Kalliope]

That event definitely lasted for more than one week (there were multiple Kara runs with my groups), but not long enough for many.

[Sesamee]

I've heard the excuse that Wain put forth a lot before, thus my ire. It's basically the idea that anyone making money in the AH is jacking up prices, which is normally the opposite of the truth. The biggest money makers in the AH are usually undercutting everyone else, and making their gold on volume. Problem is, that takes a lot of work. I stay away from those markets myself, as there is too much AH camping required (posting and reposting of gems, glyphs, whatever). VERY few times are the AH Barons jacking up prices as Wain suggested. Instead, they are driving others out of the market on volume.

This is my main issue too. I have no problem with someone finding a few items that were listed for far less than they're worth, buying them, and reselling at a profit. I do that myself. A couple times I've even been contacted by people who told me they listed the items that low by mistake and I've given them back to them. I like to make a profit but have no desire to screw someone over. I've left out a zero myself and paid the price for my carelessness.

My issue is with those who deliberately manipulate the market by constant undercutting in when buying slows, then buying everything up and re-listing for an outrageous amount. Even if they only sell half of what they purchased they still make an enormous profit. This happens in the gem market all the time.

Playing the AH is like mini game within the game itself. It's fun! I enjoy it as well as making gold even though a crap server and the end of the expansion has made my attention wander and I haven't made serious gold in months...haven't spent any either really. I'm looking forward to getting back into it come MoP though. There's nothing wrong with making money on the AH but there is a decent way to do it and a "jerk" way, IMO.

[Slickrock]

My issue is with those who deliberately manipulate the market by constant undercutting in when buying slows, then buying everything up and re-listing for an outrageous amount. Even if they only sell half of what they purchased they still make an enormous profit. This happens in the gem market all the time.

I still don't see this that often. But when it does, it's usually in the glyph market.

The ones I really can't stand are the campers, real or bots. There's one guy that I know of that is supposedly a disabled vet. He camps the AH 24/7, and everytime you post gems, he'll undercut you with one gem. Always. Every, Single Time. (I have my doubts about the story, I suspect he's botting).

Anyway..

BMAH Report - Two new mounts showed up, Green Protodrake, and the Alysrazor mount. So random quest reward mounts and raid drop mounts can occur.

[Ziarre]

Both could be boiled down to 'rare drop,' which works for me. Doubtless we'll see some upset if Invincible or Mimiron's Head is up there, but they're now rare drops too.

Edit: I saw a Drake of the South Wind on Lost Isles BMAH a couple of days ago.

[Neilaren]

That event definitely lasted for more than one week (there were multiple Kara runs with my groups), but not long enough for many.

Yeah, back then I was in a really bad guild when it came to getting groups together for Kara, or, well, anything really. I suspect the main "clique" got their run in earlier, so at the last minute I was able to get in one where I still basically had to watch the loot get handed to people based on relation.

It's no wonder that all I remember in BC were doing dailies, and maybe my few action-packed chain-trapping Slave Pens runs... and doing dailies. My first guild was just so cliquey.
My second guild was, too, actually... bleh.
My third had its moments...
My guild now is all friends, so one could say I'm actually included in the clique this time.

[Slickrock]

Both could be boiled down to 'rare drop,' which works for me. Doubtless we'll see some upset if Invincible or Mimiron's Head is up there, but they're now rare drops too.

Edit: I saw a Drake of the South Wind on Lost Isles BMAH a couple of days ago.

South Wind Drake is still there.. 999,999G I suspect that's max bid.

[SpiritBinder]

BMAH Report - Two new mounts showed up, Green Protodrake, and the Alysrazor mount. So random quest reward mounts and raid drop mounts can occur.

Tanked my 1st heroic on the weekend, where you do the "call to arms" and get a little bag of goodies at the end.
Open it up to get a little extra gold, a nice Agi flask and BAM, a green proto.... I was like really? WTH?!?
I already did my time on my hunter to get it, so was actually a little "meh" but I was also a little shocked about the loot bag. So the BMAH is not such shocker... Though if they added "raid" drop mounts to them people might there panties in a tighter bunch. (though to hear about the Alysrazor mount I did go as I never did get my little mitts on one )

[Royi]

BMAH Report - Two new mounts showed up, Green Protodrake, and the Alysrazor mount. So random quest reward mounts and raid drop mounts can occur.

Tanked my 1st heroic on the weekend, where you do the "call to arms" and get a little bag of goodies at the end.
Open it up to get a little extra gold, a nice Agi flask and BAM, a green proto.... I was like really? WTH?!?
I already did my time on my hunter to get it, so was actually a little "meh" but I was also a little shocked about the loot bag. So the BMAH is not such shocker... Though if they added "raid" drop mounts to them people might there panties in a tighter bunch. (though to hear about the Alysrazor mount I did go as I never did get my little mitts on one )

the Alysrazor mount is just a rare drop right? Is it not attached to any achievement?

[Kalliope]

BMAH Report - Two new mounts showed up, Green Protodrake, and the Alysrazor mount. So random quest reward mounts and raid drop mounts can occur.

Tanked my 1st heroic on the weekend, where you do the "call to arms" and get a little bag of goodies at the end.
Open it up to get a little extra gold, a nice Agi flask and BAM, a green proto.... I was like really? WTH?!?
I already did my time on my hunter to get it, so was actually a little "meh" but I was also a little shocked about the loot bag. So the BMAH is not such shocker... Though if they added "raid" drop mounts to them people might there panties in a tighter bunch. (though to hear about the Alysrazor mount I did go as I never did get my little mitts on one )

the Alysrazor mount is just a rare drop right? Is it not attached to any achievement?

Correct!

[Meggers]

Mmmm, add moar to the bmah! woop

[Vephriel]

Sounds like the BMAH might be quite the hotspot on PvP realms:

It's also worth noting that the Black Market Auction House has the potential to become a world PvP location for those on PvP realms. Just like the name implies, these are goods being sold out in shady locations away from the prying eyes of guards in the cities. They are not in neutral or safe zones. For PvE realms, it's not going to have that same risk for placing a bid as on a PvP realm (aside from being outbid).

http://wow.joystiq.com/2012/06/05/tom-c ... -pandaria/