More nerfs... and other changes.

[AdamSavage]

It's ironic how Locks are really strong now, I believe it was Cata that they got nerfed pretty bad.

[SpiritBinder]

I know it's of topic, but that bottles label is really well done, freaking hilarious!!!
It totally inspires me to make a hunter one

[AdamSavage]

They have an upcoming ask the Dev's Questions.

http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/328 ... lue-Tweets

[Lisaara]

They have an upcoming ask the Dev's Questions.

http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/328 ... lue-Tweets

C'mon guys, ask WHY they're making hunters wet noodles in PvE....

[Nachtwulf]

Except they've said 'no class-related questions'...

[Lisaara]

Of course they did....

Also I noticed something....

http://www.wowpedia.org/Paragons_of_the_Klaxxi

Lists them as Defeatable rather than Killable. I'm wondering if we're not actually killing them but defeating them in honorable battle.

[AdamSavage]

That's why you ask them, why they don't apply changes to PVP combat only.

[Nevish]

"Ask us questions! Just not questions asking about how we'll be detrimentally nerfing your class so you won't be able to enjoy the game anymore."

[AdamSavage]

"Ask us questions! Just not questions asking about how we'll be detrimentally nerfing your class so you won't be able to enjoy the game anymore."

Yeah pretty much... Funny how they nerf us hard, and then don't even have the courage to own up to it. That's something the Government would do.

[HunterFTW]

i wonder if the added pet slots had anything to do with blizz disideing on takeing SS away from BM and SV?

[Boven]

"Ask us questions! Just not questions asking about how we'll be detrimentally nerfing your class so you won't be able to enjoy the game anymore."

Because if they answered truthfully, it would be something along the lines of "A hunter killed my warlock in a battleground."

[Slickrock]

"Ask us questions! Just not questions asking about how we'll be detrimentally nerfing your class so you won't be able to enjoy the game anymore."

Yeah pretty much... Funny how they nerf us hard, and then don't even have the courage to own up to it. That's something the Government would do.

To be fair, those are MMO-Champ's words, not Blizz's. It's perfectly reasonable for them to try to focus the questions that are going to be asked.

Unfortunately, the devs have gone mostely silent the past few days, I'm guessing something to do with the security issues.

[Nevish]

"Ask us questions! Just not questions asking about how we'll be detrimentally nerfing your class so you won't be able to enjoy the game anymore."

Yeah pretty much... Funny how they nerf us hard, and then don't even have the courage to own up to it. That's something the Government would do.

To be fair, those are MMO-Champ's words, not Blizz's. It's perfectly reasonable for them to try to focus the questions that are going to be asked.

Unfortunately, the devs have gone mostely silent the past few days, I'm guessing something to do with the security issues.

Oh, yeah, I don't hold it against MMO Champ personally for not wanting to deal with class nerf backlash, but the recurring thing with Blizz as of late is "we're gonna do this, you have no say in it, and if you provide concrete evidence that we're going overkill during PTR testing, we're going to ignore you."

"Unless your main is a mage. We love you guys. Have more buffs."

[AdamSavage]

Oh, yeah, I don't hold it against MMO Champ personally for not wanting to deal with class nerf backlash, but the recurring thing with Blizz as of late is "we're gonna do this, you have no say in it, and if you provide concrete evidence that we're going overkill during PTR testing, we're going to ignore you."

"Unless your main is a mage. We love you guys. Have more buffs."

They may of gotten away with that in the past, but the overall tolerance and attitude of the player base has changed. Years of consistent up and down buffs and nerfs takes a toll on people, and eventually you ask to ask. When do you draw the line, and say enough is enough. Each Quarter report that come out, shows a steady decline in subscriber base. That's only people with active accounts. Not counting the ones that only logg in once every week or so.

I will ride out this expansion, and wait for info on the next expansion to see what direction they plan to take this game.

[Valfreya]

After 8 years of playing a hunter, changes such as these is nothing new. We have been nerfed then fixed then nerfed then fixed then nerfed again so many times.... Such as it was in Vanilla when BM hunters were laughed at I will not stop playing my hunter the way I want to. I will do as I always do and figure out what my strengths are and continue to enjoy a game that I have for so long. I will stop playing this game when it is no longer fun for me to play, not when changes such as these are implemented, but thats just how I look at it.

[cowmuflage]

After 8 years of playing a hunter, changes such as these is nothing new. We have been nerfed then fixed then nerfed then fixed then nerfed again so many times.... Such as it was in Vanilla when BM hunters were laughed at I will not stop playing my hunter the way I want to. I will do as I always do and figure out what my strengths are and continue to enjoy a game that I have for so long. I will stop playing this game when it is no longer fun for me to play, not when changes such as these are implemented, but thats just how I look at it.

Same I just go with the flow. really that's how I roll when I play MMO's.

[Agravaine]

After 8 years of playing a hunter, changes such as these is nothing new. We have been nerfed then fixed then nerfed then fixed then nerfed again so many times.... Such as it was in Vanilla when BM hunters were laughed at I will not stop playing my hunter the way I want to. I will do as I always do and figure out what my strengths are and continue to enjoy a game that I have for so long. I will stop playing this game when it is no longer fun for me to play, not when changes such as these are implemented, but thats just how I look at it.

Same I just go with the flow. really that's how I roll when I play MMO's.

Me too. Even at my lowest low point in WoW there was something fun to look forward to I'd log in for, and there's plenty of that still.

[Sar]

Each Quarter report that come out, shows a steady decline in subscriber base. That's only people with active accounts. Not counting the ones that only logg in once every week or so.

If that's your interpretation of an active sub, it's quite incorrect.

An active sub, as defined by Blizzard, is someone that purchases gametime at least once per quarter.

However I do agree that ability churn is getting tiring, as never before has an expansion had so much of it during its life cycle. All because of PvP crybabies.

[Tunderbrew]

GC: "Exciting PvP work being done. Not related to gear this time." Really? At this point I think they may have given Holinka a bit too much clout in the design decisions and that they're bent on propping up one of the weakest elements in this game(Not to suggest PvP isn't a valid form of content. I love this game, but it has it weaknesses, especially when compared to newer titles) This wouldn't be such an issue if it didn't feel like their usual mantra of making one form of content appealing by chipping away at another(*cough* much like Hunter specs *cough*)All the while Hunter concerns still go largely unanswered.

[Ickabob]

Guys, feel free to voice your concerns over on the US PTR forums. If warlocks can piss and moan to get what they want, we can do the same. Lots of good points were raised, so feel free to add your two cents.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic ... 613?page=1

Here's one for you EU players:

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7713981999

Let our voices be heard!