Is LFR too easy in WoD?

[Castile]

It is meant to be cruisy true but I felt alittle dissapointed that I could do all 3 wings in a hour or so last night. Its like...job done for the week! Oh well hopefully when the next raid opens that will change. Also are we not getting teir at all for lfr? cause I'd be upset at that - i like my sets and don't plan to raid properly this expansion.

[Danielfboone]

That's another way LFR has been gutted. They said there will be no tier gear and LFR will have it's own gear set without any set bonuses. I hate that too. It seems pretty unfair to me.

[cowmuflage]

It is meant to be cruisy true but I felt alittle dissapointed that I could do all 3 wings in a hour or so last night. Its like...job done for the week! Oh well hopefully when the next raid opens that will change. Also are we not getting teir at all for lfr? cause I'd be upset at that - i like my sets and don't plan to raid properly this expansion.

I'm pretty okay with being able to do them in an hour or so. I hated having to spend hours in SoO because it just got boring after the first couple of weeks. I felt like I should just do N at that point XD

[Lisaara]

No, we're not getting tier for LFR. Blizz mentioned that a long time ago too that Tier is for normal/heroic/mythic only so that the raiders get a little something special.

[Castile]

No, we're not getting tier for LFR. Blizz mentioned that a long time ago too that Tier is for normal/heroic/mythic only so that the raiders get a little something special.

But isn't that what mounts/achievements where meant for in normal? As the something special? I feel its abit silly giving it to us for 2 expansions and then just taking it back...its almost like "you were good enough for a fancy set for cata/pandaria but now you're not". :/ hmph.

[cowmuflage]

Well what ever we get I'm still looking forward to the new raids.

[Castile]

I did some googling and we do get A set but its not the tier set that other modes gets - just a generic plate, mail, cloth etc with a bonus. I guess thats ok as long as it looks good...I enjoy collecting sets that are uniquely my class but I'll wait n see at this point.

[Lisaara]

Sets are fine but Tier is definitely better off for regular raiders so they have something to show for it. Not every raider's group is able to do the achievements and mount runs so they get the tier set to show "Hey, I downed this boss"

[cowmuflage]

Good thing for mogging aye? XD

[peanutbuttercup]

Tier isn't for showing off or feeling special. Some heroic level bosses and maybe even some normals are about min-maxing, and the tier bonuses are included when they set the dps and hps requirements on a fight. I've wiped to so many bosses due to enrage timers that it's not even funny. On some occasions the tier bonus isn't so great and you'll see raiders decide to not use tier because they get more benefit from having offset pieces.

If you're not planning on raiding at that level you don't really need gear that was designed for that purpose (want =/= need). LFR gear isn't bad at all and it certainly is good enough to allow players to do most PVE content - questing, dungeons, soloing, farming - with relative ease.

[Danielfboone]

Tier isn't for showing off or feeling special. Some heroic level bosses and maybe even some normals are about min-maxing, and the tier bonuses are included when they set the dps and hps requirements on a fight. I've wiped to so many bosses due to enrage timers that it's not even funny. On some occasions the tier bonus isn't so great and you'll see raiders decide to not use tier because they get more benefit from having offset pieces.

If you're not planning on raiding at that level you don't really need gear that was designed for that purpose (want =/= need). LFR gear isn't bad at all and it certainly is good enough to allow players to do most PVE content - questing, dungeons, soloing, farming - with relative ease.

That's true but not having LFR tier pieces gives the elitists an easier way to subject the LFR players to ridicule. They don't have to inspect them, just look at them. Having to transmog LFR pieces to something else to avoid that is not a good thing. Those LFR Hunter shoulders really stand out.

[peanutbuttercup]

During SoO I transmogged my heroic shoulders to LFR ones because I liked the color better. No one thought it was weird.

A lot of raiders transmog over even high level gear so it's impossible to tell at a glance what they're really wearing. I would say about 80% of my raid team has their gear transmogged all the time. A lot of it is old tier sets but there's also the sets you get from iron scraps in the Dwarf Bunker, and some people just like to mix and match stuff. I'm constantly asked to pop up my transmog mount during raids because people want to transmog the piece into something else as soon as they get it.

[Equeon]

That's true but not having LFR tier pieces gives the elitists an easier way to subject the LFR players to ridicule. They don't have to inspect them, just look at them. Having to transmog LFR pieces to something else to avoid that is not a good thing. Those LFR Hunter shoulders really stand out.

I think this is an extremely flimsy argument. Are you seriously claiming that the appearance of LFR shoulders makes someone more likely to be made fun of?

Rude elitists don't need an excuse to make fun of the lesser geared. If you try to get into a PuG and the raid leader laughs you off because of the appearance of your armor, then they would have rejected you just the same after clicking "inspect" or because you didn't have the right achievement.

If you have actually experienced (more than once) being rejected or mocked by a group because of the LFR gear's appearance, but not because of your ilvl, then that sucks and I'm sorry. But even in such a ridiculous circumstance, it costs 21 gold to fix.


... I think you're just grasping at straws here.

[Lisaara]

Tier isn't for showing off or feeling special. Some heroic level bosses and maybe even some normals are about min-maxing, and the tier bonuses are included when they set the dps and hps requirements on a fight. I've wiped to so many bosses due to enrage timers that it's not even funny. On some occasions the tier bonus isn't so great and you'll see raiders decide to not use tier because they get more benefit from having offset pieces.

If you're not planning on raiding at that level you don't really need gear that was designed for that purpose (want =/= need). LFR gear isn't bad at all and it certainly is good enough to allow players to do most PVE content - questing, dungeons, soloing, farming - with relative ease.

That's true but not having LFR tier pieces gives the elitists an easier way to subject the LFR players to ridicule. They don't have to inspect them, just look at them. Having to transmog LFR pieces to something else to avoid that is not a good thing. Those LFR Hunter shoulders really stand out.

What the hell? I don't even know where you got that from. I've never heard of anyone making fun of someone for having LFR gear and I'm friends with some very heavy raiders.

[Castile]

mmm I was more concerned that I wouldn't get the new design for this tier and I won't - the set you get from BR is really er meh. I'm pretty dissapointed tbh as I really liked the new hunetr tier design. Looks like my gronnstalker set is staying for awhile yet i guess >.<

And yeah ive never been made fun of for having lfr gear - and i've never ragged on someone for having it either when i was a progression raider. I've seen ppl chewed out for rocking up to a raid in greens but never lfr epics. I'm sorry if this happened to you though.

[Danielfboone]

I'm not even talking about raids. I have seen it happen many times in the chats in places where people congregate, like the Shrines. People telling others their opinions don't matter because they're standing there wearing only LFR gear. You had to inspect somebody to know that. Now you don't. Of course it's lessened a great deal in WoD, where people just hang out in their Garrison where nobody else can see them.

I'm also not saying it happened a lot but I have seen it.

LFR now is too easy and the rewards stink. That's it in a nutshell. It's been gutted.

[Lisaara]

See, you're judging based on trolls, not actual raiders. Trolls don't count cause they'll find anything to mock with.

[Danielfboone]

And how do you know they weren't "actual raiders". It seemed to me that if they had the better gear (On inspection they all had heroic stuff) they had done the harder levels and looked down on those who hadn't.

[Equeon]

And how do you know they weren't "actual raiders". It seemed to me that if they had the better gear (On inspection they all had heroic stuff) they had done the harder levels and looked down on those who hadn't.

In Vanilla, BC, and Wrath, geared raiders with an elitist mindset could look down on everyone who lacked epic gear.

In Cataclysm and Mists of Pandaria, geared non-LFR raiders with an elitist mindset could look down on everyone who lacked normal/heroic/mythic gear. The LFR sets are a separate, visible color (red-green diving suits for SoO, pale-white dragon bones for Dragon Soul, etc.) and are easily identifiable when compared to the other tier sets.

Now, in Warlords of Draenor, the LFR gear is different from the regular raid tiers in more than just a color shift. LFR gear is easier to identify at a glance, but in the long run, this negative aspect of the game has not changed at all. Non-LFR raiders with an elitist mindset can now look down on everyone who lacks normal/heroic/mythic gear, just like before.


If this remains a problem to you, pay the 150 gold to completely transmogrify yourself and change your appearance (a solution to gear-harassment that did not even exist until late Cataclysm, might I add). I, and many other players, do this for fun: you might find a look you enjoy and appreciate your character even more!


If you don't want to transmogrify and still want to get raid gear, then stop acting like it's impossible for you to progress at all based on silly things like the appearance of your gear.

1. Raid with guildies.
The easiest solution, and the most enjoyable. What's better than killing the bad guys with 10 or 20 other friends? If your guild raids, these will be regularly scheduled and may even be at different times on different days in the week. Try to find one that fits your schedule. If not...

2. Find a PuG!
The Group Finder is great for this. There are a lot of accepting pugs out there. Now that the last tier of LFR is out, groups can't even discriminate based on the achieve anymore, they'll have to do it just on ilvl. In this case, you have many ways to enhance that: weekly world bosses, crafted BoEs that you make yourself or buy, Garrison missions...
But maybe you're unlucky, and can't find any groups that raid during an acceptable time, or the requirements are too restrictive. In that case...

3. Start your own PuG!
Look up the fights online, become knowledgeable enough to provide basic instructions to a group, and then fire up the ol' LFG tool. Invite some guildies and Battle.net friends, too.

Or, you can always quit your guild and look for a casual raiding guild. If that's not an option, then stick with the choices above and hope for the best.

[Danielfboone]

Wow I never said it was a problem for me. I think it only happened one time. I don't restrict my opinions about things to only my own experiences. I look at the bigger picture and how everyone is affected. I don't need any lectures on how to play either. Surprisingly enough, after 9 years in this game, I know about all those options and have done all of them. I have not been in a Guild that did organized raids since Cata and I have never been involved in Heroic raiding. The only raiding I did in Mop was LFR and a little flex towards the end. I found LFR and the lack of an organized schedule or set of standards very enjoyable after years of being tied to certain days and times and hoping enough people would show up. The current gutted version of LFR is not very satisfying at all. The guild I am in now has intentions of raiding but it's a new guild and we don't have enough at the needed level yet. Due to the difficulty of the "normal" raid, however, I can easily envision there being many many problems when we do start.

PUG raiding is impossible in WoD. No group I have been in yet has gotten past Brackenspore. One wipe, or at the most, two, and the group either completely dissolves or they start kicking 2/3 of the members looking for people that do a level of dps that is very rarely seen in the pug environment. (and still fail after that). People doing 18k or better have some heroic gear and experience and you have to question why they want to do a pug normal in the first place but this is what they start looking for. I myself will do 15.5-16k and that should be more than good enough for normal. I also have NO desire to be a raid leader. On the occasions when the group finder makes me that, I immediately pass it off to someone else.